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    Quote Originally Posted by Vs 002 View Post
    I know it would be weird but how about to put in a quite known Austrian corpal as general for Austria or Germany? I think you all know who.....I am just joking =) But it could work as an easter egg...Nah just kidding again =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vs 002 View Post
    Yey! You would sva alot of people. But then there must be another one to take German on it's feet
    I know who . . . . ME! After all, if I had command of him that would mean that I'm playing the German campaign, and so, once I win there will be no need to get Germany back on its feet, as it will be master of the world (well Europe anyway)!

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    Hey dunno if its anything you need but i have some danish generals


    August Tuxen - August Peder Tuxen

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    Louis Lütken - Louis Carl Fredverik Lütken

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    Jens Gørtz - Jens Vilhelm Gørtz

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    Palle Berthelsen

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    Christian Holm - Christian Frederik Holm


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    P. W. Ibsen (cant find what P. W. stands for )

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    Holten Castenschiold - Holten Frederik Castenschiold

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    Some information about the Romanian army in WW1:

    Infantry Unifroms

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    Uniforms worn by the Romanian infantrymen during WW1 have been introduced in 1912 and modified in 1916. They were composed of the following items:
    • Field cap “capela” made in grey-blue cloth with red piping, heaving in front the number of the regiment
    • “Adrian” helmet with the overlapping cipher of King Ferdinand I;
    • Tunic in grey-blue cloth, with a single breasted fly-front. It had 4 rectangular pocket flaps, 2 on the breast and 2 on the hips. The collar was rolled off, piped red, adorned decorated with red pointed collar patches. Shoulder boards in grey-blue cloth, piped red, adorned by the regimental number, in red cloth. Sewn On the outer edge of the right shoulder board was a small cloth roll serving the purpose of preventing the rifle strap from slipping off the shoulder;
    • Breeches in grey-blue cloth with red piping;
    • Greatcoat was in grey-blue cloth, doublebreasted, with two rows of visible 4 black metallic buttons. It had 2 side pockets with rectangular flaps. The collar and cuffs were rolled off. The collar was piped red, with red pointed collar patches and the shoulder boards were piped red, adorned by the regimental number, in red cloth. Sewn on the outer edge of the right shoulder board was a cloth roll as for the tunic. At the rear, the greatcoat had two vertical false pocket flaps, piped red, with two metallic buttons, and a rear-belt piped red;
    • Puttees in grey-blue cloth;
    • Laced boots in black or undyed, natural leather;
    • Black leather waist-belt, fastened with a buckle or plain belt plate;
    • Black leather rectangular cartridge pouches, fixed on the waist-belt, framing the belt plate. Infantrymen could also optionally carry Austro-Hungarian, Italian or Russian WW1 cartridge pouches;
    • Bayonet scabbard holster, made in black leather, carried on the left hip;
    • Linemann” shovel spade holster, made in black leather, carried on the left hip, below the bayonet holster, fastening with its lower strap the bayonet scabbard;
    • Bread bag in undyed canvas, with a lateral outer pocket for the canteen, carried diagonally, on the left hip;
    • Canteen, made in enameled metal, carried in the bread-bag’s outer pocket. Optionally, other WW1 canteens of German, Russian or Austro-Hungarian origin, could also be used;
    • Romanian gas mask (M.1916), French (M-2), or Russian (Zelinsky-Cumant);
    • Knapsack made in black waterproof canvas, of rectangular shape, with black leather shoulder straps.
    The rank insignia consisted of lace braid stripes, made in yellow cotton (1 large for “Fruntas”, 2 large for “Caporal”) or gold lace stripes (1 large for “Sergent”, 1 large and 1 narrow for “Sergent-major”, 2 large for “Plutonier”, 2 large and 1 narrow for “Plutonier-major”, 3 large for “Plutonier-adjutant”), edged red, displayed on the shoulder boards of the tunic and greatcoat.



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    Infantry Corporal


    Light Infantry Sergeant


    Infantry Officer



    Artilerymen Uniforms (Uniform of gunner of the 4th Artillery Regiment – 1916-1918)

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    Uniforms worn by the Romanian artillerymen during WW1 had been introduced in 1912 and modified in 1916. They were composed of the following items:
    • Field cap “Capela” made in grey-blue cloth with black piping, having in front two crossed gun barrels surmounted by the number of the regiment, “4”, in black cloth;
    • “Adrian” helmet with the overlapping cipher of King Ferdinand I;
    • It had 4 rectangular pocket flaps, 2 on the breast and 2 on the hips. The collar was rolled off, piped black, adorned decorated with black pointed collar patches. Shoulder boards in grey-blue cloth, piped black, adorned by the regimental number, in black cloth.
    • Breeches in black cloth with red piping;
    • Greatcoat was in grey-blue cloth, doublebreasted, with two rows of visible 4 black metallic buttons. It had 2 side pockets with rectangular flaps. The collar and cuffs were rolled off. The collar was piped black, with black pointed collar patches and the shoulder boards were piped black, adorned by the regimental number, in black cloth. At the rear, the greatcoat had two vertical false pocket flaps, piped black, with two metallic buttons, and a rear-belt piped black;
    • High jack boots made in black leather;
    • Black leather waist-belt, fastened with a buckle or plain belt plate;
    • Cartridge pouch for revolver ammunition, made in black or natural undyed leather, fixed on the waist-belt, on the right side of the belt plate;
    • Holster for artillery dagger or bayonet scabbard, made in black leather, carried on the left hip;
    • Bread bag in undyed canvas, with a lateral outer pocket for the canteen, carried diagonally, on the left hip;
    • Canteen, made in enameled metal, carried in the bread-bag’s outer pocket. Optionally, other WW1 canteens of German, Russian or Austro-Hungarian origin, could also be used;
    • Romanian gas mask (M.1916), French (M-2), or Russian (Zelinsky-Cumant);
    The rank insignia consisted of lace braid stripes, made in yellow cotton (1 large for “Fruntas”, 2 large for “Caporal”) or gold lace (1 large for “Sergent”, 1 large and 1 narrow for “Sergent-major”, 2 large for “Plutonier”, 2 large and 1 narrow for “Plutonier-major”, 3 large for “Plutonier-adjutant”), edged black, displayed on the shoulder boards of the tunic and greatcoat.




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    Cavalry Uniform
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    1st Lt of the 2nd "Calarasi" Cavalry Regiment


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    In order of appearance:
    • Corporal in day unifrom
    • Soldier in service unfiorm
    • Major in day uniform
    • Lieutenant in ceremonial unifrom
    • Major in ceremonial uniform


    Romanian Generals and Leaders

    King Carol I (died in 1916)

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    King Ferdinand (from 1916 onwards)
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    General (later Marshall) Constantin Prezan - Commander of the 4th Romanian Army in 1916
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    General Eremia-Teofil Grigorescu - Commander of the 1st Romanian Army

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    General (later Marshall) Alexandru Averescu - commander of the 2nd Romanian Army

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    General Ioan Culcer

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    Lieutenant-Colonel Ion Antonescu (later General and Marshall)
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    British propaganda poster welcoming Romania in the war
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    Good sources for the information:
    http://www.worldwar2.ro/forum/index.php?showforum=11
    http://www.6dorobanti.ro/index.php?a...=1&language=en
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
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    Some information about the Romanian army in WW1:

    Infantry Unifroms

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    Uniforms worn by the Romanian infantrymen during WW1 have been introduced in 1912 and modified in 1916. They were composed of the following items:
    • <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Field cap “capela” made in grey-blue cloth with red piping, heaving in front the number of the regiment <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>“Adrian” helmet with the overlapping cipher of King Ferdinand I; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Tunic in grey-blue cloth, with a single breasted fly-front. It had 4 rectangular pocket flaps, 2 on the breast and 2 on the hips. The collar was rolled off, piped red, adorned decorated with red pointed collar patches. Shoulder boards in grey-blue cloth, piped red, adorned by the regimental number, in red cloth. Sewn On the outer edge of the right shoulder board was a small cloth roll serving the purpose of preventing the rifle strap from slipping off the shoulder; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Breeches in grey-blue cloth with red piping; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Greatcoat was in grey-blue cloth, doublebreasted, with two rows of visible 4 black metallic buttons. It had 2 side pockets with rectangular flaps. The collar and cuffs were rolled off. The collar was piped red, with red pointed collar patches and the shoulder boards were piped red, adorned by the regimental number, in red cloth. Sewn on the outer edge of the right shoulder board was a cloth roll as for the tunic. At the rear, the greatcoat had two vertical false pocket flaps, piped red, with two metallic buttons, and a rear-belt piped red; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Puttees in grey-blue cloth; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Laced boots in black or undyed, natural leather; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Black leather waist-belt, fastened with a buckle or plain belt plate; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Black leather rectangular cartridge pouches, fixed on the waist-belt, framing the belt plate. Infantrymen could also optionally carry Austro-Hungarian, Italian or Russian WW1 cartridge pouches; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Bayonet scabbard holster, made in black leather, carried on the left hip; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>“Linemann” shovel spade holster, made in black leather, carried on the left hip, below the bayonet holster, fastening with its lower strap the bayonet scabbard; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Bread bag in undyed canvas, with a lateral outer pocket for the canteen, carried diagonally, on the left hip; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Canteen, made in enameled metal, carried in the bread-bag’s outer pocket. Optionally, other WW1 canteens of German, Russian or Austro-Hungarian origin, could also be used; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Romanian gas mask (M.1916), French (M-2), or Russian (Zelinsky-Cumant);
    • Knapsack made in black waterproof canvas, of rectangular shape, with black leather shoulder straps.
    The rank insignia consisted of lace braid stripes, made in yellow cotton (1 large for “Fruntas”, 2 large for “Caporal”) or gold lace stripes (1 large for “Sergent”, 1 large and 1 narrow for “Sergent-major”, 2 large for “Plutonier”, 2 large and 1 narrow for “Plutonier-major”, 3 large for “Plutonier-adjutant”), edged red, displayed on the shoulder boards of the tunic and greatcoat.



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    Artilerymen Uniforms (Uniform of gunner of the 4th Artillery Regiment – 1916-1918)

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    Uniforms worn by the Romanian artillerymen during WW1 had been introduced in 1912 and modified in 1916. They were composed of the following items:
    • <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Field cap “Capela” made in grey-blue cloth with black piping, having in front two crossed gun barrels surmounted by the number of the regiment, “4”, in black cloth; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>“Adrian” helmet with the overlapping cipher of King Ferdinand I; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>It had 4 rectangular pocket flaps, 2 on the breast and 2 on the hips. The collar was rolled off, piped black, adorned decorated with black pointed collar patches. Shoulder boards in grey-blue cloth, piped black, adorned by the regimental number, in black cloth. <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Breeches in black cloth with red piping; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Greatcoat was in grey-blue cloth, doublebreasted, with two rows of visible 4 black metallic buttons. It had 2 side pockets with rectangular flaps. The collar and cuffs were rolled off. The collar was piped black, with black pointed collar patches and the shoulder boards were piped black, adorned by the regimental number, in black cloth. At the rear, the greatcoat had two vertical false pocket flaps, piped black, with two metallic buttons, and a rear-belt piped black; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>High jack boots made in black leather; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Black leather waist-belt, fastened with a buckle or plain belt plate; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Cartridge pouch for revolver ammunition, made in black or natural undyed leather, fixed on the waist-belt, on the right side of the belt plate; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Holster for artillery dagger or bayonet scabbard, made in black leather, carried on the left hip; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Bread bag in undyed canvas, with a lateral outer pocket for the canteen, carried diagonally, on the left hip; <LI style="COLOR: black" class=MsoNormal>Canteen, made in enameled metal, carried in the bread-bag’s outer pocket. Optionally, other WW1 canteens of German, Russian or Austro-Hungarian origin, could also be used;
    • Romanian gas mask (M.1916), French (M-2), or Russian (Zelinsky-Cumant);
    The rank insignia consisted of lace braid stripes, made in yellow cotton (1 large for “Fruntas”, 2 large for “Caporal”) or gold lace (1 large for “Sergent”, 1 large and 1 narrow for “Sergent-major”, 2 large for “Plutonier”, 2 large and 1 narrow for “Plutonier-major”, 3 large for “Plutonier-adjutant”), edged black, displayed on the shoulder boards of the tunic and greatcoat.


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    Romanian Generals and Leaders

    King Carol I (died in 1916)

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    King Ferdinand (from 1916 onwards)
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    General (later Marshall) Constantin Prezan - Commander of the 4th Romanian Army in 1916
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    General Eremia-Teofil Grigorescu - Commander of the 1st Romanian Army

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    General (later Marshall) Alexandru Averescu - commander of the 2nd Romanian Army

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    General Ioan Culcer

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    Lieutenant-Colonel Ion Antonescu (later General and Marshall)


    British propaganda poster welcoming Romania in the war
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    wow nice info. +rep
    RO citizen will like this.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔crossjon♔ View Post
    wow nice info. +rep
    RO citizen will like this.......
    Cheers mate, i'm trying to clean the post up a bit, some of the stuff is not formatted properly.

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    Just letting you know... theres really no need to reinvent the wheel here, so I went back through this entire subforum and dug up ALL research relevant to TGW. Here it is:
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    Quote Originally Posted by chudolf View Post
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    Austria-Hungary


    Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf


    Arthur Arz von Straussenburg


    Charles I of Austria

    German Empire


    Erich von Falkenhayn


    Paul von Hindenburg


    Reinhard Scheer


    Erich Ludendorff


    Otto Liman von Sanders


    Paul Emil von Lettow-Vorbeck


    Hermann von François

    Ottoman Empire


    Mustafa Kemal Atatürk


    İsmail Enver

    Bulgaria


    Vladimir Vazov


    Konstantin Zhostov


    Georgi Todorov


    Nikola Zhekov




    I will add more later.



    Quote Originally Posted by chudolf View Post
    There is a list of major countries generals
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    Commonwealth:


    Herbert Kitchener


    Hugh Trenchard


    Douglas Haig


    John French


    William Robertson


    Edwin Alderson


    Arthur Currie


    Julian Byng


    John Monash


    Jan Smuts


    John J. Pershing - Commander of the American Expeditionary Force

    Russia:


    Grand Duke Nicholas Nikolaevich of Russia


    Alexander Samsonov


    Paul von Rennenkampf


    Nikolay Ludovich Ivanov


    Aleksei Brusilov


    Lavr Kornilov


    Nikolai Yudenich


    Aleksey Kuropatkin


    France:



    Joseph Joffre


    Robert Nivelle


    Philippe Pétain


    Ferdinand Foch


    Milan Rastislav Štefánik [ Slovak general of French service ]


    Serbia :



    Radomir Putnik


    Petar Bojović


    Stepa Stepanović


    Živojin Mišić

    Italy:



    Luigi Cadorna


    Armando Diaz

    Romania :



    Alexandru Averescu


    Constantin Prezan


    May be it helpful for you [I go upset when I fight with Napoleon ]. When I found more, I will add. I`m going to make central powers generals list too.
    I have an idea to find sobe photos of random generals or people and do generic photos for all countries



    I found some various and assorted helmets that could add diversity to the game sometime down the road Note that i expanded a bit past Pickelhauben NOTE:i know BDIZZLE made a pickelhauben, British helmet, adrian, and m16 (i think thats what its called) helmet models, this are just additional information
    cuirassier(mounted jaeger)
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    Enlisted artillery
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    I decided not to post the rest of the Pickelhauben for infantry men from Bavaria, Wurtemburg etc, simply becuase in the end, all infantry helmets ended up looking like
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    French Helmet
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    Now while the Russians didnt always have helmets, they used one similar to the French Adrian
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    This is your basic Austro-Hungarian helmet (alsoused by the Finns up until 1945)
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    A Swedish Helmet
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    The Italians used Adrians (see French and Russians)

    Portuguese used a variant of the Brodie
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    The Belgians used an Adrian as well (see French, Italians, and Russians)

    I coudlent get JUST the turkish hemet, but here are two pictures of the turkish soldier uniforms
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    Spanish Helmet (well it IS)
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    i wish, but i couldent find any pictures of spanish army in ww1


    Serbains and Romanians ALSO used a varient of the Adrian (the only real differences were the insignias on the front and if they dont go into that much detail then the french one can be used over and over again, but if they do i can get the pictures, just seemed repetative)


    Note: I excluded the British helmets, if you do not know what a British helmet looked like, the portuguese helmet is the exact same type

    Edit: didnt realize that the ww1 rifles thread included helmets, i still hope there is something useful here




    ive noticed this mods cavalry department is somehwat lacking, while i dont care too much for cavalry it would be nice to see some Uhlans, lancers if you will.
    German Uhlans:
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    Prussian Guard Uhlans about 1912


    In 1914 the German amry included twenty-six Uhlan regiments, three of which were Guard regiments, twenty-one line and two from the autonomous Royal Bavarian Army (another thing thats missing). All German Uhlan regiments wore Polish style czapkas and tunic with plastron fronts, both in coloured parade uniformsand the field grey service dress introduced in 1910. Because German hussar, dragoon and cuirassier regiments also carried lances in 1914 there was a tendency among their French and British opponents to describe all German cavalry as "uhlans".
    The lance carried by the uhlans (and after 1889 the entire German cavalry branch) consisted of a 318 cm (ten foot and five inch) long tube made of rolled steel-plate, weighing 1.6 kg (three pound and nine ounces). The lance carried below its head a small pennant in differing colours according to the province or state from which the regiment was recruited. The four edged spear-like point of the shaft was 30 cm (12 inches) in length and made of tempered steel. The butt end of the shaft was also pointed so that (in theory) the lance could be wielded as a double ended weapon.
    After seeing mounted action during the early weeks of World War I the Uhlan regiments were either dismounted to serve as "cavalry rifles" in the trenches of the Western Front, or transferred to the Eastern Front where more primitive conditions made it possible for horse cavalry to still play a useful role. Another thing: all cavalry regiments should have rifles and be able to dismount and fire (along with firing while mounted IMO but that would be overkill because the carbines could be made as secondary weapons while laces primary, but there isnt a tertiary for the swords, sorry im rambling )

    Austrian Uhlans
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    There were eleven regiments of uhlans in the Austro-Hungarian cavalry, largely recruited in the Polish speaking parts of the Empire. They wore czapkas in regimental colours but otherwise were dressed in the light blue tunics and red breeches of the Austro-Hungarian dragoons, without Polish features. Their lances were similar in design to those of the German cavalry but had wooden shafts (of ash).
    As with other armies, the Austro-Hungarian Uhlans were forced into a largely dismounted role by the realities of trench warfare by the end of 1914. The blue and red peacetime uniforms were replaced by field grey during 1915. There was however one last opportunity for traditional glory when on 21 August 1914 the uhlans and dragoons of the 4.Kavalleriedivision clashed with their counterparts of the Imperial Russian 10th Cavalry Division in classic cavalry style at the Battle of Jaroslavice.

    Tatar Uhlans - soldiers of Polsih army in 1919


    Russian Uhlans
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    The Russian army had converted its seventeen line Uhlan regiments to dragoons in 1881, but in 1910 they had their traditional lances, titles and uniforms returned to them.


    it was more than just cavalry squadrons

    the czapkas
    British Lancer:
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    Austrian Lancer officers
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    Prussian Uhlan circa 1900:
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    Finally i do wish to reiterate a point i made earlier about dismounting. most cavalry regiments ended up serving as cavalrie a pied, the were fighting on foot mostly, especially in teh reality of trench warfare.



    Quote Originally Posted by pvtgunny View Post
    The German empire in 1914 consisted of 26 states that included free cities, principalities, duchies and kingdoms. To be sure, there was no such thing as the Imperial German Army, as the five largest states provided their own land forces.


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    The largest of these forces was the Prussian Army. This large and dedicated force provided the backbone of the overall German war effort by placing 158 infantry and 11 Guards Regiments into the field or about 76% of the army. On the eve of World War I, a majority of two thirds of the officers in the Prussian Army were members of the nobility. Bavaria with the second largest field army provided 24 infantry regiments. The German Kingdom of Saxony contributed 17 regiments of grey uniformed infantry. The fourth army was made up of the ten regiments that came from the kingdom of Wurttemberg. The duchy of Baden provided its own army corps with eight regiments. The German army was famous for its complicated chain of command. At no time were soldiers ever free from supervision by a superior officer; even at the latrine a Gefreiter was required to supervise the activities of his squad. At the top of the chain was the Kaiser, who was theoretically second only to God and called himself a warlord. Often members of the Royal houses of these kingdoms were given commissions as generals over entire army groups in one of the last examples of kings leading armies on the modern battlefield.




    Standardization and the use of one overall General staff (the OHL) was the key to the four armies being able to coordinate activities. The OHL was a model of modern war planning. So minute was Alfred von Schlieffen’s plans for victory over France that it even included the site where the French would be directed to meet German delegates to negotiate an armistice( the railroad station at Provins). The 1898 Mauser rifle, P08 Luger pistol, and maxim machine gun were common to all armies as was the same general grey uniform and spiked pickelhabe helmet. Regiments were given dual designations as both a unit of their kingdoms army as well as a different name/number designation in the mobilized national army. For instance the peace time 6th Westphalia Regiment in the Prussian army was the 55th Regiment in the wartime Reich Army. The main difference observed moving from army to army amongst the Germans was in minor traditions, decorations, and in the accents of the German language used.






    What im trying to say is that this needs to be shown with variation sometime down the road with certain regimetns only being able to be drawn from certain regions (instead of Rifle Battalion, Prussian Rifle Battalion, Polish Rifle Battalion, Bavarian Rifle Battalion etc) to account for each of the Geramn provinces with conscripts able to be drawn from each region of course and the stats changed a bit, making each have their own strenghths and weaknesses. Id just like to suggest that this variation be shown down the road in some future update for more realism. i dont think it will mess up teh balance too much.



    Quote Originally Posted by Falconpilot View Post
    Hi,

    i found this great website today where they had all rifles and helmets of the major countries in world war 1 lined up, hope you guys can use this

    Allies-
    Serbia/Russia/Montenegro:

    (NOTE: The two Mosin-Nagant rifles are the same length. The apparent difference is an optical illusion caused by the angle of the photograph.)
    From the top:
    -M1910 Mauser, Mauser Oberndorf, Germany 1910-1912, cal. 7x57. Commercially marked model 1910 with Serbian proofs. In very rough shape, but I have searched long & hard for any Serbian WWI configuration rifle.
    -M-1891 Mosin-Nagant, 1917 Tula Peter the Great marked, mismatched but markings intact, no importer marks or importer serial #. No evident Balkan or Finn markings.
    -Remington bayonet for same.
    -M1907 Mosin-Nagant cavalry carbine, Izhevsk 1912. Stock well sanded & with inappropriate sling, but all matching.
    -M1895 Winchester, Russian contract. Not Spanish marked, came to me with two rounds of Finnish 7.62x54R in the butt trap, not that that signifies, but it was a nice surprise.
    -M1891 M-N, Tula 1899, Balkan import, Romanov birds more or less intact. Has the eagle over HI mark on the left side of chamber & receiver. Was sold to me as a Montenegrin rifle. Marks had fresh looking white goo in them when the rifle arrived. Goo obscured the markings, so was removed, revealing equally fresh looking marks stamped in the metal. Doesn't really resemble the pictures of JPS's I've seen, either. Long description, but that's to say that I have my doubts, but it's my Montenegrin until something better comes along.
    -M1895 Nagant revolver, 1913. Arsenal marks removed, but still has the old front sight.
    -M1911 Colt, caL. .45acp, commercial pistol with English Contract mark in Cyrillic on left side of frame, refinished.
    -Serbian Adrian helmet, fairly rare, made in France.
    -Sohlberg helmet, Finnish made, intended for the Russians, mostly used by the Finns.
    -Russian Adrian helmet, like the Serbian helmet , made in France.

    France:

    -Mle1886 M.93 'Lebel', cal. 8x50R, MAC 1889. World's first smokeless powder military rifle. Above it is the early version of the Mle1886 bayonet 'Rosalie', with German silver hilt and quillion, below is the later version, with brass hilt & no quillion.
    -Mle 1907/15 'Berthier', cal. 8x50R, Delaunay Bellville, 1917. 3 shot rifle. Delaunay Balleville was a well known automobile manufacturer in France at the time.
    -Mle1890, MAC 1890. This was the first weapon of the 'Berthier' type. The 1890 cavalry carbine came in two styles (maybe more, ask those who know on the French forum to be sure), the other version had a different type of stock for the Cuirassiers. As a cavalry carbine it takes no bayonet.
    -Mle1892, MAS 1892. This modification of the Mle1890 to take a bayonet was for artilleryman, fortress troops, and anyone else who needed a rifle but not an infantry rifle. This one escaped the modifcations made after the war to most of these, and still has provision for its cleaning rod. This celaning rod is a repro. Above is the earlier version of the Mle1892 bayonet, with a rubberized composite handle, together with its scabbard & frog, below is the later version of the bayonet with the wooden handle.
    -Mle M. 16, MAC 1918. The Berthiers were modified to take five shot clips, resulting in the extended magazine you see here. That was the modification M. 16. This rifle was assmbled at Chatellerault, but the receiver was made at the Etts. Continsouza, who were manfacturers of Motion picture cameras and equipment.
    -Mle 15 'Adrian' helmet, painted in the mustard-khaki of the French Colonial troops. The crescent badge with RF, for Republique Francais, was used by Zouave & Spahi regiments, amongst others.
    -Mle 1873 revolver, Cal. 11mm, MAS 1883. Double-action revolver, which came out in the same year as the Colt SAA. nice handling revolver.
    -somewhat squashed holster for the Mle1892 revolver.
    -Mle 1892 revolver, cal. 8mm, MAS 1896. Has a loading gate, but also a cylinder which swings out to the right, for cavalry use. This one is naval marked.
    -Mle 15 Adrian helmet. This helmet bears the standard flaming bomb with RF of the French infantry. It is painted in the slate blue-grey color that wa adopted after the initial horizon blue color turned out to be too conspicuous.

    Here are some more French rifles that didn't fit in the first photo, along with some other widgets, and since we have the room, more than the usual one or two helmets:

    -Mle1874 M. 80 M.14 'Gras'. The black powder 11mm Gras rifle was modified early in the war to accept the 8mm Lebel round as a war emergency measure. The barrel was reamed out and sleeved to 8mm, and a handguard was added. The t-backed bayonet & scabbard are for the Gras, but the bayonet is marked Steyr, 1881. I'm not sure if that is appropriate to go with a French rifle or not, maybe someone will enlighten me.
    -Fusil Automatique Mle 1917, cal. 8x50R, MAT 1917. The first semi-automatic issue infantry rifle used in combat. the Germans used both Mondragon & Mauser semi-autos in aircraft, and the French used Winchester M1907 & M1910 rifles in aircraft & the trenches, but this rifle was the first semi-auto built & issued by a military for its ground forces. utilizes a five round clip different from that of the Berthier M.16. This rifle, as with most Mle 1917s, was modified in the 1920s or 30s by having its gas system plugged, thus making it essentially into a bolt action.
    -'Petard de la Troisime armee'. improvised French grenade from early in the war. A piece of wood with a belt hook on the back. The block at the top has a nail stuck in it to act as a friction fuse. Pull the wire attached to the nail, nail rotates & grinds against the black powder starting a train, which burns down into the iron cylinder and explodes the main charge. Extra bits of iron are wired to the sides for more shrapnel.
    -Mle 1914 'bracelet' grenade. Cast iron sphere with a wooden plug fuze. The pin in the fuze would have been connected by a chain to a metal hoop worn around the wrist. When the grenade was thrown, the pin would be pulled by this chain to start the fuze. This gave some distance between the thrower & the grenade, as the fuzes had a tendency to go off prematurely.
    -Vivien-Bessier rifle grenade, without launcher, but with brass guard to protect the igniter. There are threads with better examples & excellent descriptions of how these work in the French board.
    -French P1 grenade.
    -Hotchkiss 37mm HE round, 1918. This is the type used in the infantry guns use by both the French & US troops, as well as in the Renault FT tanks when they were cannon equipped.
    More Mle 15 helmets:
    -Another infantry helmet, an early example which was originally painted horizon blue but has been overpainted in the darker color. compare with the light Horizon Blue artillery helmet below it.
    -The badge of the Engineers.
    -The badge of the Medical Corps.
    -The badge of the Chasseurs. most of the darker blue-gray has worn off this helmet, revealing the early light Horizon Blue.
    -That on the left has an artillery badge and is painted in the early, lighter horizon blue color.
    -The helmet of the Czech Legion, serving in France. I have no Czech section for WWI, so this may rest here.
    -Helmet of an Officier Medecin. Pre-war medical badge used by some officers instead of the wartime version, above.
    -Helmet of an Officier de Chasseurs. Some Chasseur Officers used the pre-war hunting horn emblem, which lacked the RF of the wartime version, above.
    -Helmet of the Colonial Infantry.

    Belgium/Luxembourg:

    M1889 Mauser, Fabrique Nationale. This particualr 1889 was captured by the Germans & rechambered to 7,9x57. The chamber has the Prussian eagle firing proof. The stock does not have the Deutches Reich marking but does still have the Belgian Guarde Civique mark.
    -M1916 Mauser carbine. Manufacture D'Armes de L'Etat. Cal. 7.65x53. The Belgians standardised on this carbine during the war. No date, so it stays in the WWI section.
    -M1900 Luxembourg Mauser, Mauser Oberndorf, 1900, cal. 6.5x55. Very few of these about, a modification of the Swedish Mauser with a shorter barrel & different front band.
    -M15 Adrian helmet, with the lion of Belgium.

    Great Britain & Commonwealth:

    -Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield, Mark I***, RSAF Enfield, Enfield Lock, England, 1911, cal. .303. Mark I series SMLE updated to *** standard between 1914-1919.
    -Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield, Mark III*, BSA, Birmingham, England, 1917, cal. .303. Sporting the No. 35 Mk.I high explosive rod rifle grenade, marked G.H. & Co. 1918.
    -SMLE Mark I**I.P. A Mk. I SMLE updated to MK III configuration at Ishapore, India. The receiver was originally made at Enifeld in 1904 and the rifle was remanufactured to this pattern in 1917. With leather sling. Pattern 1907 bayonet, by Wilikinson, 1918 above, scabbard & Pattern 1914 frog, made of boiled leather, 1915, below.
    -Pattern 14 Mark I, Eddystone, 1916?, cal. .303. This P-14 is in original condition, with volley sights, and without the Mark I * markings.
    -Ross MkIII, Ross Rifle Co., Quebec, 1914, cal. .303. This rifle is C.E.F. marked. Mk.III bayonet below. The Mk. II & Mk. III bayonet will not interchange.
    -RossMkII***, Ross Rifle Co. Quebec, 1910. Rifle is U.S. and ordnance bomb marked, and came with a Kerr No-Buckl sling attached. Mk. II bayonet scabbard & frog (also U.S. marked) below.
    -Below the scabbard is a Mk.II charger with Dominion Canada 1916 dated Mk.VII ball. The charger is also Canadian marked.
    -Along the buttplates of the rifles is a .303 cloth bandolier dated 8-18.
    -No.5 Mk.I Mills grenade, base plug dated 9/16.
    -No.27 Mk.I smoke grenade, repainted, 1917, sans rod.
    -Webley Mk.VI, Philip Webley & Sons, Birmingham, 1916, cal. .455.
    -No.34 Mk.III grenade, 1917.
    -Colt Model 1911, Colt, Hartford, CT., R.A.F. contract, after May 1918, cal. .455.
    -Mk. I 'Brodie' helmet. Sand is mixed in the paint to reduce glare.

    Italy:

    -Fucile Modello 91 Carcano, Torre Annunziata, 1898, cal. 6.5x52. With M1891 bayonet, scabbard/frog.
    -Moschetto Modello 91 per Truppi Speciali (M91TS), Brescia 1917. Made with lug for special TS bayonet (pictured).
    -M91TS, Brescia 1915. TS with standard M91 bayonet lug. This should be in the WWII section, as these were converted after 1918, but I already took the picture this way, and you can see the two configurations side by side.
    -M1870/87/15 Vetterli, Brescia 1888, cal. 6.5x52. This is another example of the country's older blackpowder weapons being rechambered for the newer smokeless round as an emergency measure early in WWI.
    -Farina helmet. These helmets, with heavy armored browplates, were made for use by assault troops. JPS talked with me about this one a few years ago, and pointed me to some people who could look at it in person. Net result is, I'm somewhat dubious about the authenticity of the brain pan part of the helmet, but am pretty happy with the armored plate, even if it is of non-standard shape.
    -Glisenti M1910, Brescia, cal. 9mm Glisenti. Beautifully made pistol, but with frame design that does not allow for a powerful cartridge. Round is dimensionally identical to a 9mm Parabellum, but only about 75% as powerful. With holster.
    -Model 1889 Bodeo, Type II, G.A. Castelli, Brescia 1917, cal. 10.35mm. Enlisted mens' version with folding trigger.
    -Beretta Model 1915, Pietro Beretta, Brescia, cal. 9mm Glisenti. Beretta's first military pistol design. Originally made in .32acp, this version is chambered in the 9mm Glisenti round. These were issued to both the army & the police. This example is police marked.
    -Italian Mo.15-16 Lippmann helmet. The Lippmann was a simplified copy of the Adrian. This helmet is fitted with a cloth cover from the 9th Infantry Regiment, with a symbol for the machine gun company on the side.

    Portugal/Greece:

    -Shell of Portuguese pattern mild steel helmet. This was patterned after early private purchase helmets used by British officers. This one doesn't have the ventilating holes in the sides, but has been ventilated by someone using it for bayonet practice at some point.
    -Espingarda Modelo 1904 'Vergueiro', DWM, Berlin, 1904-1908, cal. 6.5x58. Portuguese troops on the Western Front used British weapons, but this was the standard Portuguese rifle, and was used by them in Africa, as well as by South African troops, to whom the Portuguese supplied a large number. This is the only Vergueiro I have encountered with the original finish on the stock, most of those from Africa & elsewhere have been well sanded. Bayonet & scabbard below.
    -Espingarda Modelo 1904, DWM, Berlin, 1904-08. This one is different in that it is D.M.G.L.M. marked, in English, General Military Directorate of Laurenco Marques. So this rifle was assigned to Portuguese East Africa, where they were used by Portuguese, and, when captured, by German troops. Bayonet & scabbard below.
    -Espingarda Modelo 1896, Steyr 1899, cal. 6.5x53R. These short rifles were ordered for the Portuguese Navy & were based on the Romanian Mannlicher rifles. They even have the Romanian final inspection proofs on them, as does the bayonet, which I acquired from Portugal, below.
    -Espingarda Modelo 1886 'Kropatschek', Steyr 1886, cal. 8x56R Krop. These would still have been in use with colonial forces in WWI. Bayonet & scabbard below.
    -Model 1903 Mannlicher-Schoenauer, Steyr 1907, cal. 6.5x54. Greek rifle with original sling, not easy to find. Bayonet is for this rifle but is a cheat, as it was made in Italy & so is post WWI in origin.

    Central Powers-
    Austria-Hungary:

    -M.95 Mannlicher, Steyr, 1917. This one was converted postwar to 8x56R. Has a canvas sling & the Austrian rod rifle grenade w/friction pull primer. Below it is an OEWG marked M.95 bayonet & scabbard & an FGGY bayoonet/scabbard. Just below the rifle grenade is the special 8x50R blank used for firing that grenade.
    -M.88/90 Mannlicher, Steyr, 1890, cal. 8x50R. Rear sight sideplates are FGGY marked. Below it is a M.88 bayonet/scabbard/frog.
    -M1891 Mosin-Nagant, Tula, 1915, cal. 7.62x54R. That description should tell you this is a cheat. While the action is not from an Austrian conversion, the stock is. It is dated 1890-something (can't make out the last number) & has the Austrian wire swivels. Also has a hole in the bottom of the butt for the screw-in type Austrian swivel, and is marked W on the top of the butt & A on the right side. That's probably as close as I'll ever come to an Austrian M-N conversion.
    -M.95 Mannlicher carbine, Steyr, 1917, cal. 8x50R. Except for the blued bolt, this one seems pretty original. Has the stutzen type front band with bayonet lug & stacking hook, & screw head on the left side of the rifle. Below is a M.95 carbine bayonet w. scabbard/frog.
    -M.95 carbine, Budapest, barrel dated 1899, cal. 8x50R. This carbine is mismatched, with a Budapest receiver & a Steyr barrel. The interesting thing about it is it seems to have a karabiner style front band instead of a stutzen band. It has a bayonet lug, but no stacking hook, and the screw head is designed to enter from the right side of the rifle.
    -M.90 Extra-Korps Gewehr, cal. 8x50R, Steyr, barrel date 1902. Missing rear sling swivel.
    -M.90 cavalry carbine, Steyr, cal. 8x50R. Has no barrel date, and circle T firing proofs. This may have been a Bulgarian contract carbine or one of those made for commercial sale to other militaries. With a very old leather sling.
    -Zeitzunder or 'Guguruz' hand grenade with friction pull fuse. The cast iron fragmentation section interchanges with the rifel grenade up top.
    -M1898 revolver, Rast & Gasser, Vienna, 1916, cal. 8mm Gasser. 8 shot, the most wonderfully gawky & mechanical pistol I've handled.
    -M1912 Steyr-Hahn, Steyr, 1914, cal. 9x21.
    -Above is the Austrian version of the German Stahlhelm, in their tan color with fabric chinstrap.
    -Below is the version of the Austrian helmet that has the Berndorfer type liner instead of the German system. It's not a Berndorfer helmet, look to JPS's collection for those, but note how the rivets behind the ventilating lugs are much smaller and higher up than those on the other helmet.

    Germany:

    -Gewehr 98, DWM 1915, cal.7,9x57. Repro sling, 98/05 bayonet below scabbard & frog above.
    -Kar. 98a, Erfurt, 1916. Below is unit marked 84/98 bayo. w. iron mounted leather scabbard.
    -Gew. 88, Spandau 1889. S marked, no overt signs of Turkish use.
    -Gew.88/05, Steyr, 1890. Czech made Turkish bolt, repro sling, M71/84 bayonet by OEWG above, scabbard below, .
    -Gew. 91, Erfurt 1893. Has a cartridge case stuck in the chamber that I haven't gotten around to yet, hence the open bolt, clip of 1903 dated 7,9x57 above.
    -Mosin-Nagant M1891, Chatellerault, France, 1895, cal. 7.62x54R. The sharp eyed will note that this rifle has a Finnish stock & sling. It is also fitted with the German bayonet adapter for this rifle as used in WWI. 1918 dated m84/98 bayonet above, scabbard below. Also my only German manufactured round of 7.62x54R ammunition above, made by Polte in Magdeburg in 1917.
    -7.7cm shrapnel shell with its separate loading shell case.
    -Mauser C96 pistol, Mauser Oberndorf, cal. 7.63x25. Wartime military accepted commercial style pistol, w/ stripper clip of 10 rounds of 7.63mm Mauser.
    -Below the C96 pistol is a 2cm Becker cannon round. The Becker was developed for use on zeppelins. While it saw limited use in the air, it was used as a ground based anti-aircraft cannon. Dated 1918.
    -Model 1914 n/A ball hand grenade & Model 1917 'egg' grenade. Below them Model 1917 stick ('potato masher') grenade.
    -Pistol-08 (Luger), DWM, 1914, cal. 9x19.
    -M16 Stahlhelm with fitted hessian cover.
    -M16 Stahlhelm shell, camo painted, with large, compression type fracture on the top.
    -M18 Stahlhelm.

    Bulgaria/Turkey:

    -M.95 Mannlicher, Steyr, 1915-18?, cal. 8x50R. No Bulgarian crest, but has the Lion proofs on barrel & receiver. NCO bayonet below it is not Bulgarian marked, but I bought it from someone in Bulgaria, so it goes here for now.
    -M1887 Mauser, Mauser Oberndorf, 1889-90, cal. 9.5x60R. Last Mauser military blackpowder design. My only round of 9.5mm Turkish ammo is below it.
    -M1893 Mauser, Mauser Oberndorf, 1894-95, cal. 7.65x53. Original condition Turkish M93 with original looking sling. M1890 bayonet below.
    -M1903 Mauser, Mauser Oberndorf, 1908?, cal. 7.65x53. John Wall told me a few years ago that this was from the Turkish Macedonian Gendermerie contract and so was made in, I think, 1908. M1903 bayonet below.
    -FN Browning Model 1903, cal. 9mm Browning Long. Ottoman contract marked.
    -Turkish cut down visor stahlhelm. Most of these seem to have been based on M18 German helmets. This is based on an M16.

    Hope you guys enjoy



    Quote Originally Posted by pvtgunny View Post
    this goes somewhat hand-in-hand with my Uhlan thread about more cavalry, this is about the need for cavalry to be able to dismount and servein the trenches like they did in reality. Plus i found this awesome armor that the heavy cavalry would use, even while on foot During the WWI, the German Army utilized this type of steel breast plate together with steel M16 helmet and brow plate for its raiders, machine gunners and sentries in forward positions of the forward battle lines.

    It was made to protect the soldiers from riffle bullets and grenade splinters.

    Made of special forged steel; 36 x 40 cm (14 2/11 x 15 Ÿ inches); weight 7 kg approx.


    Since you plan to introduce tanks to the game, would it be possible to introduce its father as well, the Armored Car, used by every major nation

    Russia
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Building of armored cars in Russia began right after the start of the First World War. On 17 August 1914 the Minister of Military Affaif s, Adjutant-General Suchomlinov, summoned an officer of the Leib-Guard Rifle Legion, Col. Dobrzanski, and ordered him to form and equip an "armored automobile machinegun battery" ("bronirovannaya pulemetnaya avtomobilnaya batareya"). This task was carried out in record short time and already by 19 October 1914 the 1-st Automobile Machinegun Company (1-ya Pulemetnaya Avtomobilnaya Rota) was sent to the front and placed at the disposal of the staff of the II Army. Initially its inventory contained 8 armored cars based on the Russo-Balt chassis and armed with machine-guns, and one based on the 5-ton Mannesman-Mulag armed truck and armed with a 47 mm naval cannon. In addition, the platoon automobile artillery had two unarmored trucks armed with automatic 37 mm Maxim-Nordenfeldt cannon. These could be fired from the truck bed or from the ground — on a wheeled carriage. Later the number of unarmored trucks with automatic 37 mm cannon increased to three.

    The production capabilities of the Russo-Baltic Car Factory, the only manufacturer of automobiles in Russia, absolutely did not allow building a sufficient number of chassis for armored cars. For this reason a special commission was sent to England under the leadership of the commander of the Auto­mobile Training Company, Col. Siekrietev, with the aim of buying a large number of motorized vehicles, among these also armored cars. As the result of this mission, 48 armored cars based on the Austin chassis, 40 on the Renault, and one on the Isotta-Fraschini were purchased.

    The first Austins, which were meant to become the basic type of armored car in the Russian Army, began arriving in Russia at the end of 1914. At the end of December the formation of an armored car platoon ("Pulemetny Avtomobilny Vzvod" — PAW) was started, and its inventory initially included three Austins. It is worth noting here that the 4 mm armor of English production was found to be totally inadequate. Because of this during the winter of 1915 all newly received Austins were sent to the Izorski factory where the English armor was replaced by 7 mm armor sheets produced in Russia.

    Battle experiences of the 1st Automobile Machinegun Company showed also the need for building cannon armed armored cars. To satisfy this need, at the begining of 1915 work began on armoring American 4-ton Garford automobiles in the Putilov factory, and arming them with a 76 mm cannon and three machine-guns. According to a new arrangement, each platoon of armored cars was to be equipped in two cars armed with machineguns and one with a cannon.

    During the spring of 1915 the first transports of disassembled Renault armored cars began to arrive. These were equipped with a machine-gun, but did not have full armor, and did not at all meet the requirements drawn by the Armored Car Commission of the Chief Technical-Military Command. A portion of these were used in the armored car platoon to deliver ammunition (mainly for cannon armed cars), and 11 were transferred to the Izorski factory with the aim of armoring them based on the design of Staff-Captain Mgiebrov.

    In total 16 cars were armored according to the system of Staff-Captain Mgiebrov. Besides Renaults these were: White, Pierce-Arrow, Benz, Isotta-Fraschini, and Russo-Balt "E". Installation of their armor was carried out in the Izhorski factory from spring to fall of 1915.
    At the same time 11 cars were equipped with armor according to the system of Staff-Captain Niekrasov in the private shops of A. Bratolyubov in Peterburg: 10 Russo-Balt and one Renault. Four of those were judged to be com­pletely unsuitable for front-line service; six others, armed with Hotchkiss 37 mm cannon, were assigned to a armored railroad platoon.

    In the Obukhowski factory 3 cars were ar­mored under the direction of Staff-Captain Bylinski, two based on Mercedes chassis (with engines of 45 and 50 hp), and one on the Lloyd chassis. The former were designed for military action in conjunction with cavalry units. The Lloyd armored car had two turrets with Maxim machineguns, and the Mercedes cars one each. The latter two were additionally armed with 37 mm cannon on the lower hull, in the back. A unique feature of these vehicles was the use of light armor of chromo-nickel-vanadium steel, and asteering system that used the rear pair of wheels. On basis of these cars the 25th Platoon of Automobile Machine-guns was formed.

    During the second half of 1915 and during winter and spring of 1916 additional 161 armored cars arrived in Russia. Of these 60 were based on the Austin 2nd series chassis, 10 Armstrong-Whitworth-Jarrot, 30 Armstrong-Whitworth-Fiat, 25 Sheffield-Simplex, and 35 Army Motor Lorries. However, only the Austins were judged fit for battle action. The Armstrong-Whitworth armored cars, based both on the Jarrot and Fiat chassis, revealed serious mechanical and other shortcomings, seriously limiting their combat capabilities. For this reason the Armstrong-Whitworth cars underwent modifications: those build on Jarrot chassis received new front axles, their rear suspensions and front shock absorbers were strengthened, armored cupolas were installed in the roofs of the turrets, and the barrels of the machineguns were provided with armor. The rebuild Jarrot and Fiat armored cars began arriving at the front during the end of 1916 and beginning of 1917.

    As to the Sheffield-Simplex and Armstrong Motor Lorries armored cars, these had not been transferred to the army at all due to their total unsuitability for military service. One Sheffield-Simplex car was send to the Kolomienski factory, where it was adopted to be used on railroad tracks. It was planned to modify all cars of this make for in this fashion.
    For completion of the newly formed units (based on the Austin 2 series of cars), PAW needed new armored cars armed with cannon. To solve this problem in the shortest time possible, it was decided to arm 22 Lanchester armored cars (assigned previously to an Eng­lish armored squadron) with 37 mm Hotchkiss cannon. Work connected with these modifications was completed during the spring of 1916, and the Lanchesters were successfully used at the front.
    In the summer of 1916 armoring of 30 Jeffery cars begun according to the system of Staff-Captain Poplavko, which were subsequently used to form the Armored Company for Special Missions.

    It is worth noting here that in September of 1916 Russian Army armored car units trans­ferred to the divisional system. Besides the already mentioned division of Staff-Captain Poplavko, 12 other divisions of armored cars were formed, each made up of 3-4 PAWs. Organization into platoons was retained only in places where such organization made sense, for example on the Caucasus.

    In order to speed up production of armored cars, it was decided, besides purchasing of 60 Austin 3 series armored cars from England, to organize large-scale domestic manufacture of armored cars based on imported automobile chassis. To this end 60 Austin and 90 Fiat chassis were ordered, which were to be ar­mored in the Putilov and Izhorski factories. However, because of the lateness in receiving these chassis, the factories could only begin the job at end of 1917. Until October it was possible to make only 16 armored cars based on the Fiat chassis. The situation with the Austins was even worse — in 1917 none of left the factory.

    Together with Austins and Fiats, it was planned to armor 31 Packard chassis in the Obukhowski factory according to the system developed by Lt. Ulianov. Only one car based on this chassis was completed, however, due to exceedingly great weight of the finished product. The Packard was armed with a Maxim-Nordenfeldt 37 mm automatic cannon mounted on the body and a Maxim 7.62 mm machine-gun in a small turret placed at the rear of the automobile.

    A separate page in the history of Russian armored cars were halftrack vehicles built according to the design of A. Kegress, the director of the Technical Section of the garage of His Imperial Highness. In the summer and fall of 1916 trials took place with an Austin series 2 equipped with a track mechanism of his design. The results were sufficiently satisfactory and it was decided to equip with tracks part of the Austins and Fiats, and all of the Packards build in the Obukhovski factory, and also 20 FWD chassis, which were to be armored inthe Putilov factory. In perspective, it was antici­pated that all armored cars of the Russian Army would be equipped with the Kegress chassis. However, these plans were never put into effect. On the way to their realization stood the Russian revolution, after which A. Kegress left Russia.

    At the end a mention has to be made of Russian plans to build tanks. The issue here are not the prototype designs of A. Porochovshchikov ("Viezdyechod") and Lebiedenko, properly rejected by the Chief Military-Technical Directorate, but the pro­gram to purchase tanks abroad. It was planed that in 1917—18 360 Schneider tanks would be obtained, and in addition interest was shown in a version of the Renault FT17 tank equipped with a machine gun. The only Rus­sian project that had any chance of being put into production was a 12 ton tank armed with a 75 mm cannon and one machinegun, which was presented to the Chief Military-Technical Directorate by the Russkiy Renault partnership at the end of 1916. There is no doubt that Russian industry, whose manufacturing possi­bilities were at their peak in the fall of 1916, was capable of producing tanks.
    However, the year 1917 arrived — the February revolution, the Kornilov rebellion, the November overthrow of the government —and no one at that time thought about tanks...

    this is just an example, armored cars were made from every type of car produced an took the forms of everything from

    and (In turkey)

    to


    (yes i know its a model) and

    IMO these should be included in the game as more lightly armored but faster versions of the tanks planned to be implemented. as of now im beginning to worry that i may have already seen something about this so just in case im going to stop, if i have here is some extra information, if i havent seen the idea before however, i think it would be a good addition to the game later on down the road


    Quote Originally Posted by Mayan-Man View Post
    ok, being half scotish and proud, half english and proud, and a bit irih and a bit welsh, i tend to play GB, because of this i felt that a bit of unit diversity is needed in the vanilla game, and would be even better in this game

    British Isles:

    Scots:
    first off, the english units (at present) are fantastic, but im a bit miffed about the scotish units as all the famous scotish regiments wore a kilt to battle up until about 30 years ago when the DPM's became standard issue (Disruptive Pattern Material) and many units, including the scots 'black watch' scots royal fussileers and king's own royal scots borderers all wore the headress. however i think the 'brown' colour ptly fits us after the ast primeminister heres some pics:






    apropriate scotish units

    .scots guards/scotish infantry battalion (i detest, repeat detest, commonwealth highland foot,we are british, infact we made britain it was our king not englands!, dont call us commonwealth,it implys were forign)
    .scots hussars/scotish cavalry (or royal scots greys as the major cavalry regiment was known)

    okay, so now thats my 'scotish mumble' done

    irish and welsh units look similar to english ones, accept for some diffrences

    Irish:
    some units wore kilts, although it wasn't a majority, of the 7 regiments that served in ww1 only 3 wore kilts
    they tended to have lighter clothing, and would wear one of these:



    apropriate irish units:

    .irish guards/irish foot batalion (irish guards,like scots gaurd, is an actual regiment)
    .irish hussars/irish cavalry (irish hussars, like the royal scots greys, is an actual cavalry regiment)

    Welsh:
    with no offence intended to mitch i don't think we need to include welsh units, they are identicleto english units, accept maybe a much darker colour (blackey green),plus their stats would be similar in many ways, maybe lower morale but higher close quaters skills?, wate, heres a welsh bearskin cap, but i think it was only for ceremony er since napoleanic times, maybe used in WW1 though:



    apropriate welsh units:

    .welsh gaurds/welsh foot batalion (welsh guards, as with irish and scots, is an actual regiment)
    .prince's own welsh hussars/welsh cavalry (obviously the first is a regiment, tough it is actually called the prince of wales own border hussar regiment, i shortend it abit )

    Common wealth units:


    Gibralta:

    an overlooked member of the britis empire, that helped greatly in both the first and second world wars, although due to its size it quickly and efficiently put together 2 units of the best artillery regiments in the british empire, both of with are still in service to-date, famed for the use of the 'guns of gibralta' against spain, they defended the 'rock' for nearly 10 years without new supplies, and helped greatly with the war effort, the 2nd gibralTARIAN royal artillery regiment did its defence of her majesty the queen almost a year ago, and did its 21 gun salute (thats alot, most regiments are only alowed to do 10 or 11) at the tower of london

    uniform, no pics, the colour of their uniform should look like a cross between english and canadian units, but their clothing should be identicle,maybe with roled up sleeve to represent hotter weather

    apropriate Gibraltarian units:
    .commonwealth 1st & 2nd Gibraltarian Artillery (cap of 2, with increased range, acuracy and reload, with only a 2 turn recruitment level)
    .commonwealth gibraltaian foot batalion (cap of 10, with 1 turn recruitment instead of 2 turn, and availible at any construction level, just like conscript batalions)

    Gurkhas:

    the Gurkhas, does that name not strike fear into the hearts of every enemy, the Gurkhas tend to be dead eye shots even at ling range, but amazing in close combat, especially when using the Kruki (as pictured



    as for uniform, i think brown coloured just like scotish units, with oriental asian character's would suit (noo argguments) as for the headress, theywore hats very similar to aussie units, but without any badge and without the rim being bent, also officers banner bearers and musicians etc were al white british, as has always been the case



    apropriate Ghurka units:

    .commonwealth ghurka foot batalion

    Austalians:

    the aussys are pretty much done, so i shalnt include what the units should be calld or anything, only the hats:



    India:

    well, need i say anymore, the sepoys wern't used all tgat much in europe,but i think there were 1 or 2 units, jsut including these for the heck of it, the colour would be cream, low acuracy, low reload, high morale high close quarters,medium recruitment cost dueto transportation, heres a pic:



    apropriate indian units:

    .commonwealth sepoy battalion
    .commonwealth indian camel riders

    South Africa:

    the south african regiments fighting for the british were very loyal, and were segregated (blacks/whites) almost all south african units fighting for britain in ww1 were white, and those that were black had white officers (i think there was 1 black regiment that fought in ww1 from south africa)



    apropriatesouth african units:

    .commonwealth african foot batalion
    .commonwealth african cavalry

    i think thats if (for now) if i find anmore or if i've forgotte some ill edit this OP, new zealand and canada have been ignored because i think they are as spot on as is possible ATM, please comment (helpfully )
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    I think i've said it earlier, but the Turks didn't have helmets. The big khaki hat they wore was made of leather and wicker, and offered no protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pvtgunny View Post
    Just letting you know... theres really no need to reinvent the wheel here, so I went back through this entire subforum and dug up ALL research relevant to TGW. Here it is:
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    My friend is having a swedish helmet that looks almost like that. I think his one is from WWII or the cold war






    I found some various and assorted helmets that could add diversity to the game sometime down the road Note that i expanded a bit past Pickelhauben NOTE:i know BDIZZLE made a pickelhauben, British helmet, adrian, and m16 (i think thats what its called) helmet models, this are just additional information
    cuirassier(mounted jaeger)
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    Enlisted artillery
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    I decided not to post the rest of the Pickelhauben for infantry men from Bavaria, Wurtemburg etc, simply becuase in the end, all infantry helmets ended up looking like
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    French Helmet
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    Now while the Russians didnt always have helmets, they used one similar to the French Adrian
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    This is your basic Austro-Hungarian helmet (alsoused by the Finns up until 1945)
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    A Swedish Helmet
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    The Italians used Adrians (see French and Russians)

    Portuguese used a variant of the Brodie
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    The Belgians used an Adrian as well (see French, Italians, and Russians)

    I coudlent get JUST the turkish hemet, but here are two pictures of the turkish soldier uniforms
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    Spanish Helmet (well it IS)
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    i wish, but i couldent find any pictures of spanish army in ww1


    Serbains and Romanians ALSO used a varient of the Adrian (the only real differences were the insignias on the front and if they dont go into that much detail then the french one can be used over and over again, but if they do i can get the pictures, just seemed repetative)


    Note: I excluded the British helmets, if you do not know what a British helmet looked like, the portuguese helmet is the exact same type

    Edit: didnt realize that the ww1 rifles thread included helmets, i still hope there is something useful here




    ive noticed this mods cavalry department is somehwat lacking, while i dont care too much for cavalry it would be nice to see some Uhlans, lancers if you will.
    German Uhlans:
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    Prussian Guard Uhlans about 1912


    In 1914 the German amry included twenty-six Uhlan regiments, three of which were Guard regiments, twenty-one line and two from the autonomous Royal Bavarian Army (another thing thats missing). All German Uhlan regiments wore Polish style czapkas and tunic with plastron fronts, both in coloured parade uniformsand the field grey service dress introduced in 1910. Because German hussar, dragoon and cuirassier regiments also carried lances in 1914 there was a tendency among their French and British opponents to describe all German cavalry as "uhlans".
    The lance carried by the uhlans (and after 1889 the entire German cavalry branch) consisted of a 318 cm (ten foot and five inch) long tube made of rolled steel-plate, weighing 1.6 kg (three pound and nine ounces). The lance carried below its head a small pennant in differing colours according to the province or state from which the regiment was recruited. The four edged spear-like point of the shaft was 30 cm (12 inches) in length and made of tempered steel. The butt end of the shaft was also pointed so that (in theory) the lance could be wielded as a double ended weapon.
    After seeing mounted action during the early weeks of World War I the Uhlan regiments were either dismounted to serve as "cavalry rifles" in the trenches of the Western Front, or transferred to the Eastern Front where more primitive conditions made it possible for horse cavalry to still play a useful role. Another thing: all cavalry regiments should have rifles and be able to dismount and fire (along with firing while mounted IMO but that would be overkill because the carbines could be made as secondary weapons while laces primary, but there isnt a tertiary for the swords, sorry im rambling )

    Austrian Uhlans
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    There were eleven regiments of uhlans in the Austro-Hungarian cavalry, largely recruited in the Polish speaking parts of the Empire. They wore czapkas in regimental colours but otherwise were dressed in the light blue tunics and red breeches of the Austro-Hungarian dragoons, without Polish features. Their lances were similar in design to those of the German cavalry but had wooden shafts (of ash).
    As with other armies, the Austro-Hungarian Uhlans were forced into a largely dismounted role by the realities of trench warfare by the end of 1914. The blue and red peacetime uniforms were replaced by field grey during 1915. There was however one last opportunity for traditional glory when on 21 August 1914 the uhlans and dragoons of the 4.Kavalleriedivision clashed with their counterparts of the Imperial Russian 10th Cavalry Division in classic cavalry style at the Battle of Jaroslavice.

    Tatar Uhlans - soldiers of Polsih army in 1919


    Russian Uhlans
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    The Russian army had converted its seventeen line Uhlan regiments to dragoons in 1881, but in 1910 they had their traditional lances, titles and uniforms returned to them.


    it was more than just cavalry squadrons

    the czapkas
    British Lancer:
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    Austrian Lancer officers
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    Prussian Uhlan circa 1900:
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    Finally i do wish to reiterate a point i made earlier about dismounting. most cavalry regiments ended up serving as cavalrie a pied, the were fighting on foot mostly, especially in teh reality of trench warfare.

















    Since you plan to introduce tanks to the game, would it be possible to introduce its father as well, the Armored Car, used by every major nation

    Russia
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    Building of armored cars in Russia began right after the start of the First World War. On 17 August 1914 the Minister of Military Affaif s, Adjutant-General Suchomlinov, summoned an officer of the Leib-Guard Rifle Legion, Col. Dobrzanski, and ordered him to form and equip an "armored automobile machinegun battery" ("bronirovannaya pulemetnaya avtomobilnaya batareya"). This task was carried out in record short time and already by 19 October 1914 the 1-st Automobile Machinegun Company (1-ya Pulemetnaya Avtomobilnaya Rota) was sent to the front and placed at the disposal of the staff of the II Army. Initially its inventory contained 8 armored cars based on the Russo-Balt chassis and armed with machine-guns, and one based on the 5-ton Mannesman-Mulag armed truck and armed with a 47 mm naval cannon. In addition, the platoon automobile artillery had two unarmored trucks armed with automatic 37 mm Maxim-Nordenfeldt cannon. These could be fired from the truck bed or from the ground — on a wheeled carriage. Later the number of unarmored trucks with automatic 37 mm cannon increased to three.

    The production capabilities of the Russo-Baltic Car Factory, the only manufacturer of automobiles in Russia, absolutely did not allow building a sufficient number of chassis for armored cars. For this reason a special commission was sent to England under the leadership of the commander of the Auto­mobile Training Company, Col. Siekrietev, with the aim of buying a large number of motorized vehicles, among these also armored cars. As the result of this mission, 48 armored cars based on the Austin chassis, 40 on the Renault, and one on the Isotta-Fraschini were purchased.

    The first Austins, which were meant to become the basic type of armored car in the Russian Army, began arriving in Russia at the end of 1914. At the end of December the formation of an armored car platoon ("Pulemetny Avtomobilny Vzvod" — PAW) was started, and its inventory initially included three Austins. It is worth noting here that the 4 mm armor of English production was found to be totally inadequate. Because of this during the winter of 1915 all newly received Austins were sent to the Izorski factory where the English armor was replaced by 7 mm armor sheets produced in Russia.

    Battle experiences of the 1st Automobile Machinegun Company showed also the need for building cannon armed armored cars. To satisfy this need, at the begining of 1915 work began on armoring American 4-ton Garford automobiles in the Putilov factory, and arming them with a 76 mm cannon and three machine-guns. According to a new arrangement, each platoon of armored cars was to be equipped in two cars armed with machineguns and one with a cannon.

    During the spring of 1915 the first transports of disassembled Renault armored cars began to arrive. These were equipped with a machine-gun, but did not have full armor, and did not at all meet the requirements drawn by the Armored Car Commission of the Chief Technical-Military Command. A portion of these were used in the armored car platoon to deliver ammunition (mainly for cannon armed cars), and 11 were transferred to the Izorski factory with the aim of armoring them based on the design of Staff-Captain Mgiebrov.

    In total 16 cars were armored according to the system of Staff-Captain Mgiebrov. Besides Renaults these were: White, Pierce-Arrow, Benz, Isotta-Fraschini, and Russo-Balt "E". Installation of their armor was carried out in the Izhorski factory from spring to fall of 1915.
    At the same time 11 cars were equipped with armor according to the system of Staff-Captain Niekrasov in the private shops of A. Bratolyubov in Peterburg: 10 Russo-Balt and one Renault. Four of those were judged to be com­pletely unsuitable for front-line service; six others, armed with Hotchkiss 37 mm cannon, were assigned to a armored railroad platoon.

    In the Obukhowski factory 3 cars were ar­mored under the direction of Staff-Captain Bylinski, two based on Mercedes chassis (with engines of 45 and 50 hp), and one on the Lloyd chassis. The former were designed for military action in conjunction with cavalry units. The Lloyd armored car had two turrets with Maxim machineguns, and the Mercedes cars one each. The latter two were additionally armed with 37 mm cannon on the lower hull, in the back. A unique feature of these vehicles was the use of light armor of chromo-nickel-vanadium steel, and asteering system that used the rear pair of wheels. On basis of these cars the 25th Platoon of Automobile Machine-guns was formed.

    During the second half of 1915 and during winter and spring of 1916 additional 161 armored cars arrived in Russia. Of these 60 were based on the Austin 2nd series chassis, 10 Armstrong-Whitworth-Jarrot, 30 Armstrong-Whitworth-Fiat, 25 Sheffield-Simplex, and 35 Army Motor Lorries. However, only the Austins were judged fit for battle action. The Armstrong-Whitworth armored cars, based both on the Jarrot and Fiat chassis, revealed serious mechanical and other shortcomings, seriously limiting their combat capabilities. For this reason the Armstrong-Whitworth cars underwent modifications: those build on Jarrot chassis received new front axles, their rear suspensions and front shock absorbers were strengthened, armored cupolas were installed in the roofs of the turrets, and the barrels of the machineguns were provided with armor. The rebuild Jarrot and Fiat armored cars began arriving at the front during the end of 1916 and beginning of 1917.

    As to the Sheffield-Simplex and Armstrong Motor Lorries armored cars, these had not been transferred to the army at all due to their total unsuitability for military service. One Sheffield-Simplex car was send to the Kolomienski factory, where it was adopted to be used on railroad tracks. It was planned to modify all cars of this make for in this fashion.
    For completion of the newly formed units (based on the Austin 2 series of cars), PAW needed new armored cars armed with cannon. To solve this problem in the shortest time possible, it was decided to arm 22 Lanchester armored cars (assigned previously to an Eng­lish armored squadron) with 37 mm Hotchkiss cannon. Work connected with these modifications was completed during the spring of 1916, and the Lanchesters were successfully used at the front.
    In the summer of 1916 armoring of 30 Jeffery cars begun according to the system of Staff-Captain Poplavko, which were subsequently used to form the Armored Company for Special Missions.

    It is worth noting here that in September of 1916 Russian Army armored car units trans­ferred to the divisional system. Besides the already mentioned division of Staff-Captain Poplavko, 12 other divisions of armored cars were formed, each made up of 3-4 PAWs. Organization into platoons was retained only in places where such organization made sense, for example on the Caucasus.

    In order to speed up production of armored cars, it was decided, besides purchasing of 60 Austin 3 series armored cars from England, to organize large-scale domestic manufacture of armored cars based on imported automobile chassis. To this end 60 Austin and 90 Fiat chassis were ordered, which were to be ar­mored in the Putilov and Izhorski factories. However, because of the lateness in receiving these chassis, the factories could only begin the job at end of 1917. Until October it was possible to make only 16 armored cars based on the Fiat chassis. The situation with the Austins was even worse — in 1917 none of left the factory.

    Together with Austins and Fiats, it was planned to armor 31 Packard chassis in the Obukhowski factory according to the system developed by Lt. Ulianov. Only one car based on this chassis was completed, however, due to exceedingly great weight of the finished product. The Packard was armed with a Maxim-Nordenfeldt 37 mm automatic cannon mounted on the body and a Maxim 7.62 mm machine-gun in a small turret placed at the rear of the automobile.

    A separate page in the history of Russian armored cars were halftrack vehicles built according to the design of A. Kegress, the director of the Technical Section of the garage of His Imperial Highness. In the summer and fall of 1916 trials took place with an Austin series 2 equipped with a track mechanism of his design. The results were sufficiently satisfactory and it was decided to equip with tracks part of the Austins and Fiats, and all of the Packards build in the Obukhovski factory, and also 20 FWD chassis, which were to be armored inthe Putilov factory. In perspective, it was antici­pated that all armored cars of the Russian Army would be equipped with the Kegress chassis. However, these plans were never put into effect. On the way to their realization stood the Russian revolution, after which A. Kegress left Russia.

    At the end a mention has to be made of Russian plans to build tanks. The issue here are not the prototype designs of A. Porochovshchikov ("Viezdyechod") and Lebiedenko, properly rejected by the Chief Military-Technical Directorate, but the pro­gram to purchase tanks abroad. It was planed that in 1917—18 360 Schneider tanks would be obtained, and in addition interest was shown in a version of the Renault FT17 tank equipped with a machine gun. The only Rus­sian project that had any chance of being put into production was a 12 ton tank armed with a 75 mm cannon and one machinegun, which was presented to the Chief Military-Technical Directorate by the Russkiy Renault partnership at the end of 1916. There is no doubt that Russian industry, whose manufacturing possi­bilities were at their peak in the fall of 1916, was capable of producing tanks.
    However, the year 1917 arrived — the February revolution, the Kornilov rebellion, the November overthrow of the government —and no one at that time thought about tanks...

    this is just an example, armored cars were made from every type of car produced an took the forms of everything from

    and (In turkey)

    to


    (yes i know its a model) and

    IMO these should be included in the game as more lightly armored but faster versions of the tanks planned to be implemented. as of now im beginning to worry that i may have already seen something about this so just in case im going to stop, if i have here is some extra information, if i havent seen the idea before however, i think it would be a good addition to the game later on down the road




    and some tech from here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=384492

    My friend is having a swedish helmet that looks almost like that. I think his one is from WWII or the cold war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassador de evora View Post
    I think i've said it earlier, but the Turks didn't have helmets. The big khaki hat they wore was made of leather and wicker, and offered no protection.
    Some Turkish soldiers did have proper Helmets. The Turkish soldiers in the Yildirim (lightning) Army had visor-less M16 German Helmet. Supplies of it were limited but it was still in use. Officers too, often managed to obtain these Helmets:

    Turkish Soldiers with German made Helmets:



    Cut down M18 helmets were made by Germany, but were undelivered by the end of the war. These were instead used by the Friekorps.
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    Great idea to put up everything that's already been researched pvtgunny. Definetly +rep for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vs 002 View Post
    My friend is having a swedish helmet that looks almost like that. I think his one is from WWII or the cold war
    I suspect that too; I think that the Swedish army never adopted helmets for use during World War I, they kept on using their tricornes (see picture below, taken from my post on the previous page):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    I suspect that too; I think that the Swedish army never adopted helmets for use during World War I, they kept on using their tricornes (see picture below, taken from my post on the previous page):

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    The swedish army didnt had triconrs in WWII. They had these hats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vs 002 View Post
    The swedish army didnt had triconrs in WWII. They had these hats.

    [picture]
    I was referring to the World War I outfit, not the one from World War II.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    I was referring to the World War I outfit, not the one from World War II.
    Okey, but my friend's helmet is porbalby from WWII or the cold war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aanker View Post
    I was referring to the World War I outfit, not the one from World War II.
    Wow those uniforms you posted are extreemmmmleyyy napoleonic looking. but then again, alot of the uniforms of the period didn't quite catch up with the technology quite well.

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    Hmm... Its seems that some units (in the relased version) has the iron cross on their hats. Wasn't the iron cross a medal?

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