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    there are two Mauser rifle models which were in official use in the Ottoman army of the period (besides half a dozen other models supplied by allies or captured from enemies).
    Try googling for "Mauser M1893" (it's virtually the same as the Spanish Mauser M1893, apart from the magazine feed) and "Mauser M1903" (based on the Gewehr 98) and you should have the images you need
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    I need information regarding average flight time of a ww1 plane, before refueling, etc. A rough distance that various planes would have flown would do as well, and differentiation between bomber, fighter, or reconaissance planes would be the icing on the cake.

    Anyone who can find this has my gratitude, some rep, and a cookie

    EDIT: Captain WSQ has found what I needed, but if you have any more info please do present it.
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    All Information on weapons is available here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...of_World_War_I
    king sama I hope this helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...in_World_War_I
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    Some pics
    Bulgaria
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    First Picture - A general is decorating a soldier. The soldiers are from 8th seaside regiment (8-ми приморски полк in Bulgarian / 8-mi primorski polk - transliterati Untitled-2a.JPG (95.01 KiB) Viewed 12780 times

    Montenegro
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    Albainia
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    everyone who is interested I need WW1 Elite units of the minor nations and neutrals

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    General, as you asked for:
    Info about the 5/42 Evzone Regiment, the most significant fighting unit of the Greek army back in 1912-1922:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/542-Ev...36052906437872
    http://www.proedriki-froura.gr/histo...-regiment.html

    Info & pictures:
    http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/s...?fid=12&tid=93
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...idential-Guard

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    Thank you very much +rep.

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    Take a look at the OP, several good units in there, and mostly with pictures. Three for Greece even (including the evzones mentioned above)
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    I knew that.. or did I not..

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Sama View Post
    Take a look at the OP, several good units in there, and mostly with pictures. Three for Greece even (including the evzones mentioned above)
    There's also a lot of unsubstantiated bollocks there, as it's mostly googled stuff without proper research backing it up.

    I'll just lazily link back my Swiss Army article here (carabinier/Schützen/Carabinieri were the closest thing to elite then, and can be shared with Belgium roster-wise; Fortress Pioneers would fit the bill for "shock" though).
    Here's for Romania (with Wallachian's review a few posts afterwards).
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    Thanks Don +rep.

  12. #472

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    Quote Originally Posted by don_Durandal View Post
    There's also a lot of unsubstantiated bollocks there, as it's mostly googled stuff without proper research backing it up.

    I'll just lazily link back my Swiss Army article here (carabinier/Schützen/Carabinieri were the closest thing to elite then, and can be shared with Belgium roster-wise; Fortress Pioneers would fit the bill for "shock" though).
    Here's for Romania (with Wallachian's review a few posts afterwards).
    The units and uniforms also fall into this category of 'bollocks'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Sama View Post
    The units and uniforms also fall into this category of 'bollocks'?
    Well, besides the usual "this fearless unit of highly-motivated expert assault marksmen shocktroopers terrorised all their enemies when charging with their sharpened chopsticks" drivel...

    Might as well put it into a spoiler tag.
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    Greece
    - the one labelled as "Greek Scout/Sniper" is actually a regular infantry Λοχίας (sergeant).
    The rest, although based on the 1912 Balkan war rather than ww1, is spot on. Note the Cretan Gendarmerie as another elite unit besides the evzones (cretan Gendarmes did act as combat units on occasions, like in the balkan Wars).

    Kingdom of Romania
    - the plates show parade and peacetime uniforms. Please refer to Wallachia’s posts for accurate information

    Portugal
    - everything has been already thoroughly analysed here

    Austria-Hungary
    - conscript uniform: the whole Austro-Hungarian army (including the separate Austrian and Hungarian components) was recruited through conscription, so of course that’s a bit nonsensical. It’s the standard M1908 pike-grey uniform obviously. Collar patch indicates that it’s an Austrian Landwehr unit.
    - Vienna regiment: I guess that refers to the distinguished Nr.4 “Hoch- und Deutschmeister” Regiment. As with the previous picture, this could be a regular of any Austrian Landwehr infantry unit (green collar patch).

    Germany
    - Jägers: only Saxon Jägers had a black plume on their headdress in parade wear, and the shape of their shako was radically different from Jägers of the other states.

    Ottoman Empire
    - Officer, Late Turkish Rifle, Kurdish Rifle: actually a General in parade dress (Enver Pasha to be more precise), a stormtrooper of the Hucum Tabur and a Kurdish irregular leader
    - Istambul Fire Brigade: this regiment-sized unit served as infantryman and wore the same uniform as regulars in combat (apart from a collar badge); this shows their uniform when serving as firemen, not on frontline duty. Obviously they didn't actually use axes in combat.

    note: I posted a short list of Ottoman units here. It includes the elite ones.


    Denmark
    - Danish Bicycle infantry: that’s actually the Akademisk Skyttekorps (Academic rifles). It was not an elite unit (in a military sense), but volunteers raised from university students. Since most of the society’s higher ups passed through there, it acted as a selection unit (and a requirement) for future high-ranked officers.
    - Note that the Livgarde (the Danish Royal Guard) were the only ones to retain the grey-green 1903 experimental uniform (not shown in this thread). Brewster, that’s one “minor/neutral” elite unit you can note down

    Norway
    - Ski troops: there were no elite ski troops. Every infantryman was supposed to be able to use skis.
    - - Infantry: the uniform was dark blue until a new grey-green uniform (still used in WW2) was gradually introduced from 1914 on (although slowly, as the dark blue uniform could still be seen in 1940).
    - Guards: the companies of the Royal Guard (two in WW1) are of course internationally renowned, as are their timeless dark blue uniforms (not dark grey) and alpini-style hats (not caps).

    Switzerland
    - Grenadiere: there were no Grenadiers in the Swiss Army until 1943
    - Border Skirmishers: actually those are Fortress Pioneers in 1896. The French-style beret they are wearing was abolished with the 1898 ordinance (replaced by the standard cap).
    - Officer helmet: that’s actually a Swedish parade Picklehaube (Switzerland =/= Sweden #$%#!!). The Swiss never, ever wore a spiked helmet.
    - Infantry color: colour has nothing to do with regions (not anymore since the Federal ordinance of 1852). It’s just the old blue or green uniforms being slowly replaced by field-grey in 1915 (see my Swiss Army post)

    Spain
    - Officer with Kepi: obviously that’s a French officer, a lieutenant of the Foreign Legion to be more precise (according to the colour, badge and number of braids on his kepi). It’s also post-WW1, as this model of rigid képi wasn’t introduced until the 20s’.
    - Cazadores: there is one part of the uniform that did change more than one bit: the cap! The Chambergo hat was introduced in 1922. (Spanish Army post here).
    - Uniforms: the plate is very outdated for the time period. Also, Spanish zouaves only existed from 1872 to 1876.
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    Excellent don

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    Armies of the Balkan Wars: Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and the Ottoman Empire

    Here’s a series of illustrations of the armies of the Balkan wars (1912-1913) from a contemporary German history book. The uniforms were still representative of those of WW1.

    Serbia


    Parade uniforms: 1. Guard cavalry - 2. artillery – 3. infantry musician – 4, 5, 6 & 7. Generals and general staff – 8. Guard cavalry officer – 9 & 10. infantry officers – 11. infantry


    1. artillery (1st line) – 2. artillery officer – 3. artillery (2nd line) – 4. cavalry (1st line) – 5. cavalry officer – 6 & 7. cavalry (2nd line) – 8 & 9. artillery in winter uniform


    1. infantry corporal (1st line) – infantry corporal (2nd line) – 3, 4, 5 & 6. Generals and general staff – 7. infantry captain – 8. infantry (2nd line) – 9. infantry (1st line) – 10. infantry (3rd line)

    note: 1st, 2nd and 3rd line refers here to the calls-up / age groups of the Serbian army.
    1st line: regular army, composed of 21-31 year old conscripts and reservists
    2nd line: reserve of the army, composed of 32-37 year old reservists
    3rd line: territorial militia composed of every male aged 17-20 and 38-50.

    Montenegro


    1. Komandir in national garb – 2 & 3. Generals – 4. Voivode in national garb – 5 & 6. officers – 7. Terjanik (Royal bodyguard) – 8. private – 9. general


    1, 2 & 3. private, bugler and corporal) – 4. captain – 5. lieutenant in overcoat – 6. Komandir – 7. Komandir in national garb – 8. reservist – 9. private of the royal escort – 10. Brigadir (colonel) in overcoat


    Rank insignia on the headgear: Voivode (field marshal), Brigadir (colonel), Komandir (major), Ofizer (lieutenant), Barjakdar (standard bearer), Wodnik (sergeant), Desetar (corporal), artillery badge

    Greece


    Parade uniforms: 1. Evzone – 2. infantry (old uniform) – 3. infantry bugler (field and parade uniform) – 4. staff officer of infantry – 5, 6 & 7. cadets – 8. general – 9. cavalry officer – artillery officer – 11. infantry officer – 12. doctor – 13. evzone (service uniform)


    Field and service uniforms: 1. mounted troops (here: artillery) – 2. evzone (going-out uniform) – 3 & 4. general and general staff – 5. officer (all branches) – 6. stretcher-bearer – 7. evzone – 8, 9 & 10. infantry

    Ottoman Empire


    Old parade uniform: 1. major of field artillery – 2. lancer captain – 3. cavalry general – 4. Sultan’s bodyguard – 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9. Generals and general staff – 10. staff officer of line cavalry – background: Lifeguard Cavalry Regiment “Ertogrul” (Sultan’s bodyguard)


    Parade and field uniform: 1 & 2. infantry – 3, 4, 5 & 6 Generals and general staff – 7. officer of the general staff – 8. band’s jingle carrier (parade) – 9. band sergeant (parade) – 10. light-infantry sergeant (parade) – background: various infantry


    Parade and field uniform: 1. line cavalry (old parade uniform) – 2. line cavalry officer – 3, 5 & 6. private and NCOs of arab cavalry – 4. standard bearer – 7. NCO of the Guard-Cavalry-Squadron (parade uniform, as sultan’s bodyguard) – 8. line cavalry in overcoat – 9. Engineer NCO



    My previous WW1 armies entries:
    French Army
    Switzerland and the Swiss Army
    American Expeditionary Force
    Romanian Army
    Spanish Army
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    Don, can you expand on what you meant by the US Army being divided into the Regulars, National Guard, and National Army? I've never come across the last one before, though I'm quite familiar with the first two.

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    im and

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    For once I'll take the cop-out and let the last refuge of bad students do the explanation for me:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...29#World_War_I
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    also hoy do i send a link so i can show the other nation tanks?

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    Please don't. You'll likely just sabotage my attempts at giving a semblance of accuracy and credibility to this thread.
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