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    @Cassador

    Yeah i'll post here my sources when i have some more spare time. Also, found some really good stuff on the Portuguese and their uniforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
    @Cassador

    Yeah i'll post here my sources when i have some more spare time. Also, found some really good stuff on the Portuguese and their uniforms.

    @Alien_t

    Ha, good to see someone from the TTW forum here Yeah, i believe Bulgaria will be a custom battle faction and the Ottomans will have Bulgarian units (unfortunately due to the un-modability of the map there won't be a Bulgaria faction in the campaign)
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    One unit the portuguese should have, as elite unit, is the Portuguese Expedicionnary Corps, "O Corpo Expedicionário Português", which fought during the last two years of the war being almost completely decimated in the battle of La Lys. Some pictures:


    I'm going to try and find the 1914 uniforms Cassador requested.

    EDIT: I found this early uniform, when the unit was training in a place called Tancos:
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    The colour of Portuguese field uniform was similar to the French horizon blue. It consisted of a single-breasted tunic with stand collar and fly-front. It had parallel pleated patch breast pockets with pointed flap and button, but no side pockets. The tunic was worn with matching pantaloons and puttees. The greatcoat was double-breasted with large fall collar. Officers wore a single-breasted greatcoat with six buttons in front, pleated patch breast pockets, and slanting side pockets.. Officers also wore a long grey cloak with dark-blue velvet collar, and pointed grey cloth collar patches on which were worn the badges of rank.

    The peaked service cap had a matching cloth-covered peak with row of silver braid for officers and natural coloured leather (silver lace for officers) chin strap, and the arm-of-service badge was worn on the front. The special fluted steel helmet was believed to have been manufactured under contract in Birmingham, England.

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    For the most time officers used the same basic uniform as their men, but some did wear open tunics with grey shirts and black ties, while others wore tunics with large “bellow” side pockets. Matching breeches were worn with brown leather field boots, or ankle boots with leather gaiters. Officers wore the “Sam Browne”-belt, while other ranks received the Portuguese version of the British 1908-pattern webbing. The standard issue rifle was the Mauser-Virguiero 6.5mm, but the troops in France were issued with the Lee-Enfield for ease of ammunition supply. They also used other British armament, like the Lewis LMG, and the Stokes mortar.


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    Early unifroms of the Portuguese Army in 1916

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    Also, check out this excellent website with the M1916 helmet of the Portuguese army.

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    I'd have to disagree with the above post. Portugal entered the war in 1916 and the Portuguese Expeditionary Force was the name of the Portuguese army sent to fight in France. So, basically every Portuguese soldier was part of it. Just like the British Expeditionary Force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
    The colour of Portuguese field uniform was similar to the French horizon blue. It consisted of a single-breasted tunic with stand collar and fly-front. It had parallel pleated patch breast pockets with pointed flap and button, but no side pockets. The tunic was worn with matching pantaloons and puttees. The greatcoat was double-breasted with large fall collar. Officers wore a single-breasted greatcoat with six buttons in front, pleated patch breast pockets, and slanting side pockets.. Officers also wore a long grey cloak with dark-blue velvet collar, and pointed grey cloth collar patches on which were worn the badges of rank.

    The peaked service cap had a matching cloth-covered peak with row of silver braid for officers and natural coloured leather (silver lace for officers) chin strap, and the arm-of-service badge was worn on the front. The special fluted steel helmet was believed to have been manufactured under contract in Birmingham, England.

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    For the most time officers used the same basic uniform as their men, but some did wear open tunics with grey shirts and black ties, while others wore tunics with large “bellow” side pockets. Matching breeches were worn with brown leather field boots, or ankle boots with leather gaiters. Officers wore the “Sam Browne”-belt, while other ranks received the Portuguese version of the British 1908-pattern webbing. The standard issue rifle was the Mauser-Virguiero 6.5mm, but the troops in France were issued with the Lee-Enfield for ease of ammunition supply. They also used other British armament, like the Lewis LMG, and the Stokes mortar.


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    Early unifroms of the Portuguese Army in 1916

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    Also, check out this excellent website with the M1916 helmet of the Portuguese army.

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    I'd have to disagree with the above post. Portugal entered the war in 1916 and the Portuguese Expeditionary Force was the name of the Portuguese army sent to fight in France. So, basically every Portuguese soldier was part of it. Just like the British Expeditionary Force.
    Yes, you are right, but my idea was: having the normal portuguese units, conscripts, rifle battalion, artillery, etc. And then having as late units the ones that formed the corps. For example: expeditionary mortars, expeditionary rifle battalion, etc.





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    Ah, i see. For variation of the unit roster that could actually be a good idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by U-Boat View Post
    One unit the portuguese should have, as elite unit, is the Portuguese Expedicionnary Corps, "O Corpo Expedicionário Português", which fought during the last two years of the war being almost completely decimated in the battle of La Lys. Some pictures:


    I'm going to try and find the 1914 uniforms Cassador requested.

    EDIT: I found this early uniform, when the unit was training in a place called Tancos:
    I wonder what unit that was at the bottom Seems most of the army had peaked caps... these men don't.

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    The Portugese weren't neutral in WW1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassador de evora View Post
    I wonder what unit that was at the bottom Seems most of the army had peaked caps... these men don't.
    I think these are infantry men of the expeditionary corps training here in Portugal. This picture is from 1914 If I am not wrong.

    @EmperorBatman999:They entered in 1916 and fought both on Europe and Mozambique (against the Germans, who had possessions to the North of it)





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    Some picture's of Japanese troops circa 1918-20, these are propoganda posters from the siberian intervention so these uniforms could be plausibly used for any Japanese faction that may be added to the mod.

    Japanese Infantry.



    In action.



    Japanese cavalry.
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    Cool pictures, im guessing the Siberian War is the Japanese intervention during the civil war in the Russian Far East.

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    Researchers!

    I'm currently working on the Austrian army during 1914, and while I am largely aware on the looks of the later Austrian army (which resembled the late Imperial German army in many cases), I am unsure on the uniform colour of the Austro-Hungarian forces at the onset of the war.

    As far as I am aware, they were either grey-'sky blue' like here:


    Or feldgrau like the German uniform.

    Help would be appreciated!

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    The colour of the early uniforms is a grey-lightblue hue. Check out this page Aanker. It has absolutely all the information you need on the early and the late uniforms of the Austro-Hungarians. Very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
    The colour of the early uniforms is a grey-lightblue hue. Check out this page Aanker. It has absolutely all the information you need on the early and the late uniforms of the Austro-Hungarians. Very informative.

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    Thanks for that, and +rep to you!

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    Researchers!

    I'm currently working on the Austrian army during 1914, and while I am largely aware on the looks of the later Austrian army (which resembled the late Imperial German army in many cases), I am unsure on the uniform colour of the Austro-Hungarian forces at the onset of the war.

    As far as I am aware, they were either grey-'sky blue' like here:


    Or feldgrau like the German uniform.

    Help would be appreciated!
    yes, it was the gray blue combination, with very distinctive hats. there were variations in the uniform before the uniform change though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wallachian View Post
    @Alien_t

    Ha, good to see someone from the TTW forum here Yeah, i believe Bulgaria will be a custom battle faction and the Ottomans will have Bulgarian units (unfortunately due to the un-modability of the map there won't be a Bulgaria faction in the campaign)
    It's nice to see you too.

    Here it's what I have been able to gather so far - mainly uniforms.
    I'll update the info periodically when I have more time.

    This is the site with real archive photos, unfortunately black&white mostly. First World War (1914-1918)


    National Military History Museum(NMHM)
    http://www.militarymuseum.bg/eng/Exp...toqnna/08.html

    NMHM WW1 3D exposition hall
    http://www.militarymuseum.bg/eng/Expozitzq/pana/2.htm

    NMHM, Military Uniforms(all kind, not only WW1) Collection Hall 3D view
    http://www.militarymuseum.bg/eng/Expozitzq/pana/7.htm

    Early 1915-1916 Bulgarian Officers
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    List of the officers in Bulgarian with their western counterparts
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    Bulgarian Inf. Private, winter uniform
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    Senior & Junior Bulgarian Officers
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    Branch & Unit Distinctions of the Bulgarian Army - 1915-1918
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    Bulgarian WW1 Infantry of the line:
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    1st from the Right - Bulgarian Officer in winter uniform, 1918
    In the middle - Bulgarian-Macedonian Volunteer
    1st from the Left, - Cavalry Private in winter Uniform
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    1 = Poruchik/second lieutenant from the 7th inf. "Preslav" regiment.
    2 = Private in winter uniform from 3rd "Bdin" regiment, armed with M1895 + knife
    3 = Cavalry private, winter uniform, armed with M1895 + cav saber
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    Late, 1918
    1 = Inf. storm-trooper Efreitor/Corporal in winter uniform; M1895 + 2 bombs + gas mask M16 + helmet M16
    2 = Inf. Podporuchik/Second Lieutenant in winter uniform; Luger P08 pistol + knife, helmet M16
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    Battle for Tutrakan, 1916
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    Battle of the "Red Wall", 1917
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    Battle for Doiran, 1918
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    Artilery in Battle for Kubadin Position on Romanian front, 1916,
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    In this website, you will find lots of photos from the portuguese expeditionary corps, including cavalry: http://historia-dos-tempos.blogspot....de-guerra.html

    Also, I'm posting this very informative picture (with a small modification to be according to the ToS). Which is an allegory to our Republican Revolution:

    In the right part at the middle and in the left part also in the middle, you can see the marines revolting and escorting a group of jesuits (they were sent away when the revolution happened) respectively. I think it would be a correct source of the uniforms (the picture is from 1910, the date of the revolution), Also in the bottom, you can see the revolutionaries (good source for militia or armed citizenry and also in the center there is a man with a cap which I believe is an Admiral. I'm not sure though. I think these are the parts that interest TGW, but if you want more info about the high symbology of the picture, I can give provide it (as I wrote a 1 page answer about it in a school exam ).
    Also, if you're interested, I can will try and find a bigger one.
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    Very nice!! rep for the both of you!

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    Here's something interesting that i didn't know about until recently, the Siamese Expeditionary Force, the only independent Asian nation with an army on Western European shores. Not sure if it's useful though










    Source:http://www.landships.freeservers.com...rmy_in_ww1.htm
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    if all you have are forage caps, i suggest you stop now cause this won't go anywhere.

    btw, general blucher's uniform passes for a more modern one with the correct rexture. otherwise the troops look nothing like these.

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