OT: Varys and Mystery-Dude in book 1 - MAY INCLUDE SPOILERS

[Double A]

I've been re-reading the series.

Anyway, you all remember that conversation that Arra overheard that she really wasn't supposed to after she caught super cat? (if not go cry)

Yeah, well, I've been thinking. Err, thought, anyway, but up until now there's been know where for me to say anything about it.

So anyway. Other guy was Magister Illyrio. I didn't get it the first time through because, well, the entire book was confusing as hell. But he's definitely Illyrio.

It appears not only his name is badass.

[Gurkhal]

I thought it was Littlefinger at first but its very possible its Illyerio.

[Sulfurion Blackfyre]

The description fits in every way with Illyrio. I only realized it was him after re-reading the book, since the first time it was all too new for me to recognize.

[Fishy]

Never made that connection, wondering though how did he have the time to get to Westeros? Wasn't he busy arranging a marriage and what not at that time?

[hickster]

Havent read the books in a few years but I believe this meeting takes place after Daenerys has married Khal Drogo and they have left Pentos. So it very well could be Illyrio as he isn't really mentioned after that, and the man matches his description.

[Beggar]

I thought it was Littlefinger at first but its very possible its Illyerio.

They mention Littlefinger in their conversation, saying something about how unpredictable he'll be or something along those lines. So I'd put my bets on Illyrio, too.

[Lordinquisitor]

Pretty scary that two fat guys can manipulate the fat of so many.

[Double A]

Actually, it's only one fat guy, but I can see where you'd think he'd be two.

So, yeah, it's two fat guys and a cockless omniscient ex-mummer.

[Fishy]

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1214/

Seems it were Varys and Illyiro

[Colonel Cleg McLeg]

I've always assumed it was Illyrio.

[jazstl]

Or the fat knight who wasn't from Westeros, I can't remember his name just now...

[Fishy]

Or the fat knight who wasn't from Westeros, I can't remember his name just now...

See my post above, it's been confirmed by GRRM that it Illyrio and Varys were the two talking to each other there.

[Gurkhal]

If Martin has spoken I guess it solves the problem.

[jazstl]

Ipse Dxit

[Dizoakius Maximus]

It's definitely Illyrio, I'm pretty sure GRRM has said so. Which also has me wondering: is it possibly Varys was originally an Unsullied? He wears the garb later on in the series (I think when he takes Tyrion to Shae's manse in King's Landing) as it's described as a pointed helmet, and he is a eunuch. Is it possible Varys was an Unsullied and somehow escaped his servitude? Somehow wasn't indoctrinated like the other Unsullied? I'ts probably nothing, but the similarities are there.

EDIT: Fishy beat me to the punch. Good on you, Ser.

[Double A]

It's definitely Illyrio, I'm pretty sure GRRM has said so. Which also has me wondering: is it possibly Varys was originally an Unsullied? He wears the garb later on in the series (I think when he takes Tyrion to Shae's manse in King's Landing) as it's described as a pointed helmet, and he is a eunuch. Is it possible Varys was an Unsullied and somehow escaped his servitude? Somehow wasn't indoctrinated like the other Unsullied? I'ts probably nothing, but the similarities are there.

EDIT: Fishy beat me to the punch. Good on you, Ser.

Varys said somewhere to Tyrion that he lost his cock to some guy who summoned what appeared to be a demon.

[The_Kingslayer]

See, I read that post and Martin simply doesn't challenge the fact that the man was Illyrio because there was no question about it. Many of my friends who got me into the series have conjectured that it was Jaqen H'ghar or someone else trained in the temple with the ability to change faces.

But man... now I wish I had seen this before my current re-read.

[Jaime Goldenhand]

See, I read that post and Martin simply doesn't challenge the fact that the man was Illyrio because there was no question about it. Many of my friends who got me into the series have conjectured that it was Jaqen H'ghar or someone else trained in the temple with the ability to change faces.

But man... now I wish I had seen this before my current re-read.

Hmmmmm jaqen was in kings landing. maybe this was part of the reason. I cant wait to see how that turns out later

[The_Kingslayer]

Hmmmmm jaqen was in kings landing. maybe this was part of the reason. I cant wait to see how that turns out later

The other thing is that it just seems to convenient for him to be there in the keep, skulking around in their discussions. Why skulk and talk when you are the Master of Whispers (and as such know all the secrets and can talk wherever you please).

But, then again, re-reading the description, it's just about dead on.

[Sulfurion Blackfyre]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It's Illyrio, because if you remember in that conversation between Daenerys, Barristan and the Mormont, it's revealed that Varys did not want Daenerys to be hurt, he just wanted her watched. Remember what Varys said, he serves not the King, but the Kingdom, meaning he probably tought Daenerys was the best for the Kingdom, rather than the endless fighting that would ensue after Robert died.