What do you know/is your opinion of Portugal?

[Eneru112]

A poorer version... eh.

Define poorer. The average income difference between a Portuguese and a Spanish family is 200€ (IIRC), so that's like less than 3 PS3 games. And it has to do with the region you live in (some regions are poorer than others), though less it's not exactly "poorer" in such a great way as you kinda seem to say it.

200 euro? That's a big difference considering the average paycheck most people get is around 700 euro.

[Vítor Gaspar]

It's 894€ actually.

And you're forgetting the fact most goods are cheaper in here (or used to be, today all the prices are getting closer every year)

[Scipio Afracanis]

Really? I never heard you guys had jokes about us (must be the same kind of jokes Brazilians like to tell about us... well, you know, it's always been a love/hate relationship it's kinda the same thing Americans do with Brits), though I've heard you guys have lots of Portuguese traditions and food in Hawaii (the ukulele/cavaquinho is a Portuguese instrument and the Portuguese sausages/linguiças are from here as well).

Probably has something to do with the Portuguese presence in Hawaii back in the plantation days, yeah. Many Azoreans and Madeirans went to Hawaii to work and manage some of the plantations.

I don't care for those jokes, but there pretty common for my parents generation.

How does a Portagee kill a bird? Throws it off a cliff.

How does a Portagee's kill a fish? Drowns it.

What do you call a Portagee napkin? His shirt sleeve.

Many more, but as I said I never liked that kind of local "humor".

[Eneru112]

It's 894€ actually.

And you're forgetting the fact most goods are cheaper in here (or used to be, today all the prices are getting closer every year)

Yeah, I guess Portugal's golden age days are over. The only good thing it has now is probably navy but then again navy is almost useless in this day and age.

[Ascarona]

The only good thing it has now is probably navy but then again navy is almost useless in this day and age.

How come?

[Sharpe's Company]

I hope to see a day when Portugal can stand on it's own two feet and get back to where it once was, among the top table of nations.

Sadly the left-wingers took you back 60 years in the 1970s, they committed treason, took you into economic troubles and allowed a mass anti-portuguese cultural regime that pretty much killed Portuguese culture except in certain regions, mainly kept to this day in the Patriotic North.

Long Live the Memory of the Estado Novo, Economic Growth year after year, Portugal a Nation Free from Internationalism and International Influence.

We Nationalists Salute Oliveira Salazar, and It proves that Nationalism Works, sadly like I said, it took the left to resort to Violence to get their way. It's always the same isn't it, The Left hate successful regimes that they cannot control.

[Vítor Gaspar]

Salazar is as guilty, if not more, for our current situation as today's politicians. I'm not saying the '74 revolution went as it should, but we definitely live much better today when compared to the sad reality of Salazar's Portugal that sent millions of Portuguese to Brazil, Canada and France looking for a reasonable life, away from misery.

If Salazar did anything was to take us back 60 years - the only good thing he did was to cut expenses and to tackle down corruption (and he has his merit on that), but the other side of the coin was much more grim. He sentenced the Portuguese to poverty, religious brainwashing and an implacable dictatorship. Salazar's "economical progress" wasn't even brought by him but by his successor, Marcello Caetano, that slowly tried to change Portugal into a modern democracy and brought lots of economical changes, but was caught in the heat of the revolutionary movements.

As to Salazar: good riddance. A stain in our History - one among hundreds of others.

Portugal lost its track when Brazil got independence. Portugal was Brazil. Portugal IS STILL Brazil. And poor are those that don't see that. That "glorious Portugal that was once among the top of the nations" lays on Brazil, the Empire's major legacy. Fortunately we're slowly realizing that past mistake and getting closer, as we should always have been.

[Sharpe's Company]

Salazar is as guilty, if not more, for our current situation as today's politicians. I'm not saying the '74 revolution went as it should, but we definitely live much better today when compared to the sad reality of Salazar's Portugal that sent millions of Portuguese to Brazil, Canada and France looking for a reasonable life, away from misery.

If Salazar did anything was to take us back 60 years - the only good thing he did was to cut expenses and to tackle down corruption (and he has his merit on that), but the other side of the coin was much more grim. He sentenced the Portuguese to poverty, religious brainwashing and an implacable dictatorship. Salazar's "economical progress" wasn't even brought by him but by his successor, Marcello Caetano, that slowly tried to change Portugal into a modern democracy and brought lots of economical changes, but was caught in the heat of the revolutionary movements.

As to Salazar: good riddance. A stain in our History - one among hundreds of others.

Portugal lost its track when Brazil got independence. Portugal was Brazil. Portugal IS STILL Brazil.

Os Grandes Portugueses (English: The Greatest Portuguese) was a public poll contest organized by the Portuguese public broadcasting station RTP and hosted by Maria Elisa. Based on BBC's 100 Greatest Britons, it featured individual documentaries advocating the top ten candidates. The final vote took place on March 25, 2007, the winner being António de Oliveira Salazar, Portugal's dictator between 1932 and 1968.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Os_Grandes_Portugueses

Thanks for the response Lefty.


by the way, one of the best........TO ARMMMS

[Vítor Gaspar]

Well, and you know who was in 2nd place? Communist Álvaro Cunhal, a leftist extremist.

You know what was that "The Greatest Portuguese" show? A commie/nationalist voting fest. To put it simply the National Renovator Party started a "vote for Salazar" campaign throughout the internet, and the Portuguese Communist Party did exactly the same with Cunhal. That result means nothing.

Those kind of shows always attract the same people.

[Sharpe's Company]

Well, and you know who was in 2nd place? Communist Álvaro Cunhal, a leftist extremist.

You know what was that "The Greatest Portuguese" show? A commie/nationalist voting fest. To put it simply the National Renovator Party started a "vote for Salazar" campaign throughout the internet, and the Portuguese Communist Party did exactly the same with Cunhal. That result means nothing.

Those kind of shows always attract the same people.

I have a friend from Portugal, he is very patriotic about the Estado Novo.

He said that for the first time in the history of his town, a school was built and roads, railroads were built to link his town to Porto. The North grew during these years thanks to economic commonsense and had some major industrial works that gave people a steady wage and long lasting work.

Although the left might preach about industry, just like the UK they outsource to Communist China and other places giving them the economic growth instead of the home market.

Over the longer period, 1973-90, the composition of Portugal's GDP at factor cost changed significantly. The contribution of agriculture, forestry, and fishing as a share of total production continued its inexorable decline, to 6.1 percent in 1990 from 12.2 percent in 1973. In contrast to the prerevolutionary period, 1961-73, when the industrial sector grew by 9 percent annually and its contribution to GDP expanded, industry's share narrowed to 38.4 percent of GDP in 1990 from 44 percent in 1973. Manufacturing, the major component of the industrial sector, contributed relatively less to GDP in 1990 (28 percent) than in 1973 (35 percent). Most striking was the 16- percentage-point increase in the participation of the services sector from 39 percent of GDP in 1973 to 55.5 percent in 1990. Most of this growth reflected the proliferation of civil service employment and the associated cost of public administration, together with the dynamic contribution of tourism services during the 1980s.

Left take away real jobs and give 'state' jobs to their 'followers'.

It's the same in the UK, our public section grew, grew and grew during this same time period.....err because the same 'few' control both countries maybe? cough, cough the international fews.

[Taxandrius]

"the greatest (insert nationality)" shows are the prototype of a historical fallacy: everything is based on the little understanding of the masses when it comes to history and politics and a mere projection of today's values and schooling on a country's history..it's simply horrific

[Tzar]

This should be moved long time ago.

[garudamon11]

Highest percentage of iliteracy in europe, cool language

[SonOfOdin]

Half the national team playing at Besiktas...

[Miroslav Klose]

And still Besiktas aren't doing that great.

[Condestável]

Half the national team playing at Besiktas...

[Spitfire -WONDERBOLT!]

Is this thread still here?

[Miroslav Klose]

If it's still here then it's still here.

[Mvs]

1-The best portuguese food is the "Francesinha"

https://www.google.pt/search?q=franc...2F%3B950%3B823

2-Yes, Portugal is a little similar to Spain in some things, but it's a a lot diferent. An Iberian union is the nightmare of the sanish and of the portuguese.

3-I think that everybody, in their subconscious mind, belives that Spain will try to invade us some day xD

4-Portugal discovered "everything" of the world (including the american continent [Canada in 1472] and, probably australia too), it created the first and longest global empire of the world, started the globalization (not the internet of course ;P), created many colonies all over the world, the carack, the pre-fabrication of bulding in stone (whatever it means xD), the credit card (and the mullato too )

5-Olivença is a Portuguese city that is under spanish rule, and only God knows why... http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congresso_de_Viena

[foot soldier]

1-The best portuguese food is the "Francesinha"

https://www.google.pt/search?q=franc...2F%3B950%3B823

2-Yes, Portugal is a little similar to Spain in some things, but it's a a lot diferent. An Iberian union is the nightmare of the sanish and of the portuguese.

3-I think that everybody, in their subconscious mind, belives that Spain will try to invade us some day xD

4-Portugal discovered "everything" of the world (including the american continent [Canada in 1472] and, probably australia too), it created the first and longest global empire of the world, started the globalization (not the internet of course ;P), created many colonies all over the world, the carack, the pre-fabrication of bulding in stone (whatever it means xD), the credit card (and the mullato too )

5-Olivença is a Portuguese city that is under spanish rule, and only God knows why... http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congresso_de_Viena

Take this in consideration that he speaks only for himself. People should learn on talking in first person .