Knight Orders

[GhostFace]

Is there anything that determines which you get?
Once you have one order you can't get the other, correct?

[Lord Lancelot]

Why not? Actually it is what faction you are playing?

[For England Men]

I am going to assume that you are a western (non spanish) catholic faction so the orders you can get are hospitaller and templar. Most of the things you need to do get points for these two guilds are the same but the hospitallers have few more. So in short you are going to get offered hospitallers first and if you accept them you will get offered them more and more because you will be getting more points for them.

Easy way to get one of these knight orders is a crusade to muslim territory then hold a province that borders with muslims, is a castle and has no guild then join the next crusade against muslims and just before you win join it with all your generals that have enough soldiers, the next turn it will expire cos you have won they will all get nice traits the soldiers with them will get exp and you will get offered the hospitallers in next few turns, if you want these then accept if you dont then say no and hold out few more turns to get offered them. Can you get both? dunno I am currently testing noone seems to agree on here but if you can it is hard.

The spanish factions also have two orders which work the same am not sure of the differences too much though. The HRE has teutonic order which has same rules except replace muslim with pagan.

Hope that helps matey

[Spartan90]

The HRE has teutonic order which has same rules except replace muslim with pagan.

I wonder if there's any other triggers though, because Cologne got offered a Teutonic Order Chapter House within the first 20 turns, and I have never had anything to do with 'cleansing' Lithuania...

[Ishan]

I wonder if there's any other triggers though, because Cologne got offered a Teutonic Order Chapter House within the first 20 turns, and I have never had anything to do with 'cleansing' Lithuania...

Check descr_regions.txt in the base folder. Maybe Cologne has a hidden resource for the chapter house.

[WelshDragon]

I am going to assume that you are a western (non spanish) catholic faction so the orders you can get are hospitaller and templar. Most of the things you need to do get points for these two guilds are the same but the hospitallers have few more. So in short you are going to get offered hospitallers first and if you accept them you will get offered them more and more because you will be getting more points for them.

Easy way to get one of these knight orders is a crusade to muslim territory then hold a province that borders with muslims, is a castle and has no guild then join the next crusade against muslims and just before you win join it with all your generals that have enough soldiers, the next turn it will expire cos you have won they will all get nice traits the soldiers with them will get exp and you will get offered the hospitallers in next few turns, if you want these then accept if you dont then say no and hold out few more turns to get offered them. Can you get both? dunno I am currently testing noone seems to agree on here but if you can it is hard.

The spanish factions also have two orders which work the same am not sure of the differences too much though. The HRE has teutonic order which has same rules except replace muslim with pagan.

Hope that helps matey

Thanks for the info... I usually take the first one available, which is Hospitaliers, so I will try to be more patient and wait for a Templar Chapterhouse next time

[For England Men]

I wonder if there's any other triggers though, because Cologne got offered a Teutonic Order Chapter House within the first 20 turns, and I have never had anything to do with 'cleansing' Lithuania...

the triggers to get points off the top of my head are training relevant units if you have small guild already that is, province bordering province of certain religion (pagan for teutonic and muslim for others) and joining crusades. (also the usual building guilds)

Thanks for the info... I usually take the first one available, which is Hospitaliers, so I will try to be more patient and wait for a Templar Chapterhouse next time

no problem mate, although the templars are quite cool and I think slightly better attack units I think the hospitallers have better defense and give public health bonuses being the medival st johns ambulance and all. (if you are luck y they may face paint soem of your troops for increased morale.

A very good guild guide for vanilla (applies pretty much the same to SS) http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77577

[GhostFace]

Haha, I got Templar 1st time I joined crusade against Vilnius (1st crusade called). As far as I know that is all I did.
Wanted Knights of St. John not these dastardly devil worshipers

[For England Men]

Haha, I got Templar 1st time I joined crusade against Vilnius (1st crusade called). As far as I know that is all I did.
Wanted Knights of St. John not these dastardly devil worshipers

that is the first time I have heard of the templars being offered first but I suppose if you only fulfilled the triggers that are shared by both its a 50 / 50 chance, where as most people end up fulfilling some of the triggers that only triggers hospitallers so they have more points with that one and get offered it first.

If you take a look at the linked guide above in my post and then start fulfilling the triggers only associated with hospitallers you have a very good chance of getting both in your campaign.

[Ishan]

As far as I know that is all I did.
Wanted Knights of St. John not these dastardly devil worshipers

I'm not pleased to see this. No help from the Templar fan anymore.

[WelshDragon]

Haha, I got Templar 1st time I joined crusade against Vilnius (1st crusade called). As far as I know that is all I did.
Wanted Knights of St. John not these dastardly devil worshipers

*sigh*

The Templar order is so misunderstood...

[For England Men]

*sigh*

The Templar order is so misunderstood...

agreed, condemnation from the catholic church doesnt count 4 alot in my book.

[WelshDragon]

agreed, condemnation from the catholic church doesnt count 4 alot in my book.

Exactly what I was thinking... I'm reading a nice historical fiction book right now called "Knights of the Black and White" that details the origins of the Order of Scion, the Templars, and what made the Catholic Church take them out... and it wasn't because they worshiped the Devil; on the contrary, they had the crazy notion that men could talk directly to God without the clergy!

[Ishan]

Templers got smoked coz of Bloody French king and Popey politics.
And yes they got powerful and they everybody look like in Europe so yes they got blamed for something they never did just to get rid of them.

And this is my opinion so don't dare quote me.

[WelshDragon]

Templers got smoked coz of Bloody French king and Popey politics.
And yes they got powerful and they everybody look like in Europe so yes they got blamed for something they never did just to get rid of them.

And this is my opinion so don't dare quote me.

I agree, the fact they created the world's first international banking system only painted a big X on them when they ran afoul of the Pope/clergy... the Kings (esp the French King) saw wiping out the Templars as an opportunity for coin!

[GhostFace]

Apparently sarcasm was executed by the Spanish Inquisition as well.

[WelshDragon]

Apparently sarcasm was executed by the Spanish Inquisition as well.

Sorry mate, it wasn't the Spanish Inquisition, but the obtuse nature of reading a message board

[Meneth]

Apparently sarcasm was executed by the Spanish Inquisition as well.

Nobody, not even sarcasm, expects the Spanish inquisition!

[Everto]

Nobody, not even sarcasm, expects the Spanish inquisition!

...and here they are themselves

[RabidSheepLegion]

Export_descr_guilds.txt entry for all Knightly orders.

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;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0150_Crusading_Army_Created
WhenToTest GeneralJoinCrusade


Guild templars_chapter_house a 25
Guild st_johns_chapter_house a 25
Guild montesa_chapter_house a 25
Guild knights_of_santiago_chapter_house a 25
Guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house a 25

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0151_Crusading_Army_Abandon
WhenToTest GeneralAbandonCrusade


Guild templars_chapter_house a -25
Guild st_johns_chapter_house a -25
Guild montesa_chapter_house a -25
Guild knights_of_santiago_chapter_house a -25
Guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house a -25

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0155_Recruit_Templar_Knight
WhenToTest UnitTrained

Condition UnitType Knights Templar

Guild templars_chapter_house s 10
Guild templars_chapter_house o 1

;------------------------------------------
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Trigger 0160_Recruit_Hospitaller_Knight
WhenToTest UnitTrained

Condition UnitType Knights Hospitaller

Guild st_johns_chapter_house s 10
Guild st_johns_chapter_house o 1

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Trigger 0161_Recruit_Knights_of_Montesa
WhenToTest UnitTrained

Condition UnitType Knights of Montesa

Guild montesa_chapter_house s 10
Guild montesa_chapter_house o 1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0170_Declare_War_Muslim_Faction
WhenToTest FactionWarDeclared

Condition TargetFactionReligion islam
and FactionReligion catholic

Guild st_johns_chapter_house a 10
Guild montesa_chapter_house a 10

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0171_Muslim_Neighbours
WhenToTest SettlementTurnStart

Condition NeighbourReligion islam > 50
and FactionReligion catholic

Guild st_johns_chapter_house s 7
Guild st_johns_chapter_house o 1
Guild montesa_chapter_house s 7
Guild montesa_chapter_house o 1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0175_Pagan_Neighbours
WhenToTest SettlementTurnStart

Condition NeighbourReligion pagan > 50
and FactionReligion catholic

Guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house s 10
Guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house o 1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0180_Recruit_Knights_Of_Santiago
WhenToTest UnitTrained

Condition UnitType Knights of Santiago

Guild knights_of_santiago_chapter_house s 10
Guild knights_of_santiago_chapter_house o 1

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0181_Recruit_Teutonic_Knights
WhenToTest UnitTrained

Condition UnitType Teutonic Knights

Guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house s 10
Guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house o 1

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Trigger 0196_Governor_Chivalry
WhenToTest SettlementTurnStart

Condition GovernorAttribute Chivalry > 4

Guild woodsmens_guild s 5
Guild knights_of_santiago_chapter_house s 5
Guild st_johns_chapter_house s 5
Guild montesa_chapter_house s 5

;------------------------------------------
Trigger 0197_Governor_Chivalry2
WhenToTest SettlementTurnStart

Condition GovernorAttribute Chivalry > 4

Guild templars_chapter_house s 5
Guild teutonic_knights_chapter_house s 5

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