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    After the battle of Athens, many congressmen and citizens of the United States had doubts in Thomasson's abilities; they criticised him for not waiting for the city to starve. Thomasson had reflected on this and has now proposed a series of reforms for the United States Army;

    The Arms Reformation Act of 1799
    - Increases number of American Servicemen to 15,000
    - Allows the recruitment of(and recruits 5) Pikemen regiments
    - Arms any militia in an active army with Bayonets(provided by federal armories)
    - Gives standard bearers pistols/swords so as to allow them to participate in fighting
    - Arms Light Cavalrymen with shortened muskets/carbines
    - Arms Light Infantrymen with Kentucky Long-Rifles
    - Gives officer swords ceraded edges for improved effectiveness in close quarters combat


    Description of proposition:
    The Arms Reformation act allows the United States to better flex it's military arm by giving it improved weapons for it's soldiers as well as training Pikemen, who are ideal for hand-to-hand combat(pikes are nearly double the length of a bayonetted musket). It also improves the quality of Militia regiments as well as giving troops a better edge in both ranged and melee warfare.
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    Default Re: Proposition for Military Reforms

    Michael Philipps' and other NAP representatives in the lower House will oppose this.

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    Mr. Denver reads the proposed act.

    'Mr Thomasson, are you truly so inept in military tactics? I have never served in the army, but i am still learned enough to know that Pikes are out-dated, obsolete, and generally useless! What good will a pike do when the opposing formation is shooting at you? It is utterly ludicrous, sir.'

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    That is why it reads "In melee combat". If I get any pikes I know DAMN well not to use them unless the enemy is charging bayonets!
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    'That is not the point, General. The point is pikes are not needed. I vote against this act.'

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    The Whigs in the Senate vote against this as well.

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    OOC: Why does everyone hate this so much...it's not like I'm giving our troops twigs and rocks or anything.
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    OOC: You kinda are lol. Pikes in 1800? Also, serrated weaponry is bad news.

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    OOC: Pikes were still being used in the ACW and in home guard units in WWI.....They can still be used in 1800.
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    OOC:
    A common end date for the use of the pike in infantry formations is 1700, although such armies as the Prussian and Austrian had already abandoned the pike by that date. Other armies, such as the Swedish and the Russian, continued to use it for several decades afterward (the Swedes of King Charles XII in particular using it to great effect until the 1720s). During the American Revolution, pikes called "trench spears" made by local blacksmiths saw limited use until enough bayonets could be procured for general use by both Continental Army and attached militia units.

    As late as Poland's Kościuszko Uprising in 1794, the pike reappeared as a child of necessity which became, for a short period, a surprisingly effective weapon on the battlefield. In this case, General Thaddeus Kosciuszko, facing a shortage of firearms and bayonets to arm landless serf [[partisan]s] recruited straight from the wheat fields, had their sickles and scythes heated and straightened out into something resembling crude "war scythes". These weaponized agricultural accouterments were then used in battle as both slicing weapons, as well as makeshift pikes. The peasant "pikemen" armed with these crude instruments played a pivotal role in securing a near impossible victory against a far larger and better equipped Russian army at the Battle of Racławice on April 4 of that year.

    Improvised pikes, made from bayonets on poles, were used by escaped convicts during the Castle Hill rebellion of 1804.

    Indeed, as late as the Napoleonic Wars, at the dawning of the 19th century, even the Russian militia (mostly landless peasants, like the Polish partisans before them) could be found carrying shortened pikes into battle. As the 1800s progressed, the obsolete pike would still find a use in such countries as Ireland, Russia, and China, generally in the hands of (as usual) desperate peasant rebels who did not have access to firearms. John Brown planned to arm a rebel slave army in America largely with pikes.

    One attempt to resurrect the pike as a primary infantry weapon occurred during the American Civil War when the Confederate States of America planned to recruit twenty regiments of pikemen in 1862. In April 1862 it was authorised that every Confederate infantry regiment would include two companies of pikemen, a plan supported by Robert E. Lee. Many pikes were produced but were never used in battle and the plan to include pikemen in the army was abandoned.
    I'm not saying pikes weren't used later than 1800, just questioning the wisdom of it. You'll notice that every use of the pike after 1800 listed in that Wiki entry was either born of necessity or a complete waste of resources.

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    Better another rifle with a bayonet in their hands, than a stick General, pikes don't shoot.
    Last edited by Thracius; October 03, 2010 at 03:45 PM.


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    More reason to strip this general of rank.
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    OOC: Kaits, I hate you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitsar View Post
    More reason to strip this general of rank.
    Here, here!

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    OOC: Marshy, you're not my friend anymore.

    What part of MELEE COMBAT ONLY do you guys not understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Fred-nin View Post
    OOC: Marshy, you're not my friend anymore.

    What part of MELEE COMBAT ONLY do you guys not understand?
    OOC: It is nothing personal Freddy. Im just saying that if you think that pikes are a good idea then you clearly aren't thinking straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladimir Fred-nin View Post
    OOC: Marshy, you're not my friend anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔Lord Marshmallow♔ View Post
    OOC: It is nothing personal Freddy. Im just saying that if you think that pikes are a good idea then you clearly aren't thinking straight.
    OOC: Just because something's outdated, doesn't mean it's not effective. Hell, US Special Forces still use crossbows and horses in some cases!

    It's not like I'm trying to arm ALL of the soldiers with pikes, I still highly prefer Line Infantry and Light Infantry; all I am saying is, pikemen would be effective against enemy infantry/cavalry that are on the verge of routing our Musketeers.
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    I am in understanding, however I still believe bayonets while half the size of pikes, can still take on their duties as well as another.


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    It's not about being able to do their duty. Since they're twice the size of muskets w/ bayonets they can more easily counter cavalry and enemy infantry armed with bayonets in melee combat.
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