I would like to know if you have any more suggestions.
I have one i've been thinkin' about for the last 2 weeks, (but meanwhile you've got too far with your work,) so i think it will be better to make it as a standalone sub-mod (I am to start learning scripting and maybe this will be my 1st project... if it won't be too hard). Howewer you can use this ideas if you want.
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the goal is to have Aragorn as only family member and faction leader. then "hide" him using the off_map command (the same in Vanilla British Isles - Kingdoms campaign when "someone i don't remember" is send to the crusade. So you will have Denethor as a general with the "Strward of gondor" ancillary. this ancillary will trigger for a trait "Steward" that give the epithet "The Steward".
Boromir and Faramir will have the "Steward family member" trait.
The trigger is that only if somebody has this trait he can acqiure the Steward ancillary after been 1 turn in Minas Tirith (or wherever you want), so that you can actually coose your Steward. This trait should be inhereitable, so you will have your family tree (you cannot use) AND a family of Stewarts. 2 families, by fact!. the only problem is, how can Boromir\Faramir have sons?
The idea (from Royal Ladies of the Court for SS 6.4 link here http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=436011)
is to spawn 2 princesses and marry them, so Princesses should be enabled at least for Gondor. Then they will have sons like a real family! (at least, this happened in my SS campaign with non-family generals!)
The only problem, maybe the vanilla Aragorn script will have to be deleted/heavvily changed.
so, no insanely expanded family trees nor arbitrary relationship between stewards and Kings. And the same thing can be applied for Dol Amroth princes!
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All this is necessary for another idea, the Return of the King Sub-mod! ivolving an Arwen-Aragorn marriage script and a Faramir-Eowyn one! details coming if you're interested!
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Oh, and +rep for your work
Edit: 30th post! yayy!
Last edited by Kiliç Alì; May 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM.
the goal is to have Aragorn as only family member and faction leader. then "hide" him using the off_map command (the same in Britain Kingdoms campaign when "someone i don't remember" is send to the crusade.
well i don't have a britain submod installed but are you sure that the FACTION LEADER is sent off map? i ask 'cause i'm not sure how the game will see that... if it is true then in theory you could send any faction leader off the map for the remainder off the game and you would have only faction heirs (changin) but faction leader would still be the same... also, when the charcter is sent off the map does engine calculates the years he was away and adds them to his age? if this is scripted there, then CA surley did that 'cause character went off in certain turn and return back in certain turn... i think you can't do that with knowing exact turns. on the other hand if you would detrmine the turns in script it would mean that aragorn would disappear an reappear always on that same turns no matter what you do in your game...
all in all, this looks more complicated then having something like two family trees in one actually... sorry if i sound pesimistic but i'm trying to help you to see potential problems... if you can't do the above thing then there is no sense in going thru all the trouble...
It's Vanilla Kingdoms! British Isles! sorry, my fault, it is different in my language! I'll edit
1- I'm not sure about if he was faction leader or not (but i think he was). howewer i think we can send off map who-we-want (by script) and then re-spawn him in a specific turn (always by script. as far as i seen, you can do almost everything, by script lol).
2-
when the charcter is sent off the map does engine calculates the years he was away and adds them to his age?
then CA surley did that 'cause character went off in certain turn and return back in certain turn... i think you can't do that with knowing exact turns. on the other hand if you would detrmine the turns in script it would mean that aragorn would disappear an reappear always on that same turns no matter what you do in your game...
sorry, i'm not english. i'm not sure what are you saying who is CA? why disappear and reappear? i meant to spawn him in turn, let's say, 60, when you will see him in your map for the 1st time. and, doesn't vanilla Aragorn Script work the same way? i admit i know very little about it...
all in all, this looks more complicated then having something like two family trees in one actually... sorry if i sound pesimistic but i'm trying to help you to see potential problems... if you can't do the above thing then there is no sense in going thru all the trouble...
no i don't think you're pessimistic... i posted this so that everybody could examitate the idea and say the problems he sees. and since i want to learn, i'll try to go on. i'll start my work next week: all i need is notepad (wich i have), knowledge of how using it (I'll ask around when i'll get problems), and very big amount of luck (this indeed missng). howewer my idea is free from copyright, so if you want to take it (or parts of it) you can do it freely.
That's the point: have a king-line and a steward-line. whitout bloody solutions. and a Dol-Amroth line too, so that only Imrahil son's will inherit the principalty.
Now would it just be easier if the Aragorn script contained an adoption clause, with Aragorn becoming Heir upon adoption. And then it would be possible to work on the whole kingship deal...
Now would it just be easier if the Aragorn script contained an adoption clause, with Aragorn becoming Heir upon adoption. And then it would be possible to work on the whole kingship deal...
.....And kill everyone who blocks Aragorn from being king.
this is the actual progress:
1 princess enabled for all human factions (so, can marry only humans)
2 proper portraits for princesses
3 custom portrait for 2 rohan princesses
4 Aragorn is no more Eriador leader
5 Aragorn is Gondor leader and only family character. he is off_map so you cannot ose him untill the aragorn script event (still have to test this thing)
6 changed aragorn portrit, since it seemed you cannot have a custom portrait if character is off_map. i bypassed it in a dirty way
7 howewer i have this problem: Denethor is Heir. i don't know how to fix this, can you help me please?
(see file below) i intended not to have any heir, until Aragorn gets married
------(EDIT
------(Yahoo! FIXED [added heir in Aragorn description in the descr_strat]
8 gondor leader is not steward but high king (not sure for the title: better if he is "only" King?)
9 only Denethor descendants can become stewards, and only Imrahil's ones can become Princes of Dol Amroth, after been 1 turn in Minas Tirith and Dol Amroth respectly.
FUTURE CHANGES
A) princess near dol amroth, so that Imrahil can get married and have children to inherit his principalty
B) same thing for boromir
C) the player will have the choice to not marry them, but, in imrahil case, this will mean the end of his House. same thing for Boromir and Faramir
D)kill Arwen in HighElves tree and spawn her in Minas Tirith so she can marry Aragorn
EDIT:
E) kill eowyn in Rohan tree. you can imagine what to do then
answers and feedback appreciated
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changed files:
data\text\eventstrings.txt
data\text\expanded.txt
data\text\export_ancillaries.txt
data\text\export_VnVs.txt
data\ui\gondor, data\ui\middle_eastern, data\ui\northern_european: added portraits
data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign\descr_strat.txt
data\descr_sm_factions.txt
data\export_descr_ancillaries.txt
data\export_descr_character_traits
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ps, i'm new in modding, don't intend broke any rule:
if i want to post the files, should i ask any permissions? and who to?
Last edited by Kiliç Alì; June 06, 2011 at 10:48 AM.
this is the actual progress:
1 princess enabled for all human factions (so, can marry only humans)
2 proper portraits for princesses
3 custom portrait for 2 rohan princesses
4 Aragorn is no more Eriador leader
5 Aragorn is Gondor leader and only family character. he is off_map so you cannot ose him untill the aragorn script event (still have to test this thing)
6 changed aragorn portrit, since it seemed you cannot have a custom portrait if character is off_map. i bypassed it in a dirty way
7 howewer i have this problem: Denethor is Heir. i don't know how to fix this, can you help me please?
(see file below) i intended not to have any heir, until Aragorn gets married
8 gondor leader is not steward but high king (not sure for the title: better if he is "only" King?)
9 only Denethor descendants can become stewards, and only Imrahil's ones can become Princes of Dol Amroth, after been 1 turn in Minas Tirith and Dol Amroth respectly.
FUTURE CHANGES
A) princess near dol amroth, so that Imrahil can get married and have children to inherit his principalty
B) same thing for boromir
C) the player will have the choice to not marry them, but, in imrahil case, this will mean the end of his House. same thing for Boromir and Faramir
D)kill Arwen in HighElves tree and spawn her in Minas Tirith so she can marry Aragorn
answers and feedback appreciated
__________________________________________
changed files:
data\text\eventstrings.txt
data\text\expanded.txt
data\text\export_ancillaries.txt
data\text\export_VnVs.txt
data\ui\gondor, data\ui\middle_eastern, data\ui\northern_european: added portraits
data\world\maps\campaign\imperial_campaign\descr_strat.txt
data\descr_sm_factions.txt
data\export_descr_ancillaries.txt
data\export_descr_character_traits
___________________________________________
ps, i'm new in modding, don't intend broke any rule:
if i want to post them, should i ask any permissions? and who to?
Sounds like you're making good progress. In what dirty way did you bypass the portrait problem?
According to lore the title should be King, not High King. High King was the king of both Gondor and Arnor (RK).
Is a custom portrait for princesses even possible?
well, the engine used for him the 000 portait in the generals\young\ folder, so i renamed it 201, made a new aragorn one and renamed it 000
i made the same thing with \old and \dead, don't know what will happen but i hope nothing bad
Is a custom portrait for princesses even possible?
well, the engine used for him the 000 portait in the generals\young\ folder, so i renamed it 201, made a new aragorn one and renamed it 000
i made the same thing with \old and \dead, don't know what will happen but i hope nothing bad
Hi everyone. I just started playing TATW as Gondor and I have been reading your work here with great interest. Have you gotten any submod to a usable condition?
Hi everyone. I just started playing TATW as Gondor and I have been reading your work here with great interest. Have you gotten any submod to a usable condition?
I think I will give it another try to fix the old bugs soon.
But currently I am working on a new sub-/mod.
Guess what it will be:
I know, the location is not correct, but I am too lazy to create more land-/seamasses, nor do I want to waste 40 turns to reach Middel Earth
Maybe another time - with improved ships
This is now just for testing, to see if I am able to change the campaign map^^
Cheers
Last edited by Maryondo; December 23, 2014 at 03:51 PM.
Hi everyone. I just started playing TATW as Gondor and I have been reading your work here with great interest. Have you gotten any submod to a usable condition?
I think I will give it another try to fix the old bugs soon.
But currently I am working on a new sub-/mod.
Guess what it will be:
I know, the location is not correct, but I am too lazy to create more land-/seamasses, nor do I want to waste 40 turns to reach Middel Earth
Maybe another time - with improved ships
This is now just for testing, to see if I am able to change the campaign map^^
Re: Aragorn King of Gondor?
) so i think it will be better to make it as a standalone sub-mod (I am to start learning scripting and maybe this will be my 1st project... if it won't be too hard
). Howewer you can use this ideas if you want.
ivolving an Arwen-Aragorn marriage script and a Faramir-Eowyn one! details coming if you're interested!
Re: Aragorn King of Gondor?
who is CA? why disappear and reappear? i meant to spawn him in turn, let's say, 60, when you will see him in your map for the 1st time. and, doesn't vanilla Aragorn Script work the same way? i admit i know very little about it...
Originally Posted by SaberHRE
