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Where is the yellow bus?
I came to a problem in my line of thought. After thinking about life after death (this was sparked by reading the topic started here in TWC) I began to think about my ideas and thoughts. I then asked where my thoughts in physical space were.
If I imagine a yellow bus, where is it? If I chopped open my brain there would be no yellow bus. I am hoping that someone can try to enlighten me.
Open to any ideas,
Erik
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Much like a computer, your thoughts are electrical impulses between nerve receptors. Only its nerves, not circuits.
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Can you clarify the question? What are you looking for?
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Err... (this may sound ignorant, but I'm learning) how can you see a thought through your nerves? I need a scientist to explain this to me
Erik
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Where are your thoughts? How does your body understand them? What physical space do they take up?Originally Posted by masteradnin
Sorry for all the posts,
Erik
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I say, i am ...EMPEROR!
hes asking,
"if i imagined a Big Yellow bus, litterly visualize one inside my head,
where is it? what is it?"
ive tried to visualize one...and for some reason i cant.
but i suppose the question is the same as "dreams, where are they?"
its something to do with your brain interpreting varoius data....i dont know what why or how though.
Last edited by Emperor Barroso; December 08, 2005 at 06:51 PM.
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I believe the question essentially asks -
What are thoughts? The answer - The brain records information in the form of synapses (links between nerve cells) and electrical impulses. I suppose thoughts (remembering) avtivate those synapses in a manner that the brain uses to put together an idea/image. Well that's my guess.
I say, i am ...EMPEROR!
its gotten me thinking now.
i cant seem to "visualize" anything, not a yellow bus, not a peice of paper...
i can think about it, and pretty know what id expect it to look like...but i cant "see" it.
can you?
can you all?
been trying some time now...still cant see a yellow bus in my head....
Last edited by Emperor Barroso; December 08, 2005 at 06:59 PM.
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(Can't think of the word) I see something. It's not exactly seeing. I think I understand what a yellow bus looks like. I’m not sure if I’m seeing it though.
Erik
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I think a yellow bus, I see it, but I don't see it. It's wierd...
A man's measure is his will.
~Hazarat AliEverything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
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everyone sees things differently.for instance, i look at a yellow bus, and i see what it looks like, and the colours. but i was seeing it through a different person's eyes and mind, it could look completely different. mayeb what they see is what i would call a pink mushroom, or a purple cloud.
Also, thoughts and memory are electrical impules, correct. we could "see" the electrical impulses using machines, but unless we understoo the code they represent, they would mean nothing to us.
Its like looking at a computer's circuit; you can see the electrical pulses using other machines, but without a program or some kind of system, those electrical impulses could mean ANYTHING at all.
And due to the fact that no two humans are exact duplicates, i believe each of our brains sees things differently.
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Ok so our memories are electrical impulses. These electrical impulses have a code which can display things. Our brains can translate these codes into sounds, images and other things. Is this a correct analysis of what you’re saying?
The problem is what ‘sense’ am I using to see the yellow bus? It's not quite sight or any other sense,
Erik
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I studied artificial intelligence, so I know something about it.
Well, the simple awnser is: science hasn't yet discovered how exactly it works.
Maybe if you wait for 20 years you can get a better awnser.
Anyways, this is how I think it works.
This is also how some neural networks work in AI, btw.
When you sense something a certain set of nerves in your brain wil get "excited".
This excitement re-enforces the bond between those nerves: if nerve A is excited and nerve B is excited at the same time they wil "learn" to get excited together in the future too.
When you recall the yellow bus the same set of nerves get excited again.
So parts of your brain get into the same "state" as it was when you saw the bus.
Finding this state is possible because the bond between the set of nerves has been re-enforced, so they have a natural tendancy to get into that state.
And by recalling the yellow bus you also re-enforce the set again, so it wil get even easier to recall it in the future.
But if you don't think about the yellow bus for a long time the bonds wil weaken and it wil be harder for you to recall the bus, thus you wil "forget" the bus.
Hope this was somewhat clear about HOW you recall the yellow bus.
Now for the location:
Memories are sorted all over the brain, according to what this memory wil be used for:
You "yellow bus" is stored as a set of nerves somewhere on the Cortex (outside of the brain), but I forgot where exactly.
But you should note that a single neuron can play a role in different memories, so a memory of a black cat can share some neurons with the "yellow bus" memory.
And the set of nerves that stored the yellow bus wil be in the same region, but they don't have to all lie right next to eachother.
Each nerve can "bond" with hundreds of other nerves, so they can form a lot of different sets.
Last edited by Erik; December 08, 2005 at 08:21 PM.
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