Failing ocean current raises fears of mini ice age

[Drizzt250]

I'm convinced. Im not sure if anyone else here is, but I know I am. I just finished the book "Not by fire, but by Ice" ( http://www.iceagenow.com/ . I Think people here should take some time to read through that web site. Its extreamly interesting. And please dont immidiantly assume this guy is wrong, and try to have an open mind. He backs everything he says with hardcore data and well you'll have to read it. Start by reading the question and answer http://www.iceagenow.com/QandA.htm

[bdh]

Well, that looks like another thing on the long list that will soon cause eminent wide spread destruction
This fellow actually has some good points. But the best thing he has going for him is precedent. He can point to proven models and geological events that mirror modern ones. Green house gas emissions don't have the same kind of proof. Very interesting. I would rather hope he's wrong though. His model has much more inevitability.

[Ulyaoth]

Yeah, but earth has survived numerous ice ages, so while it'd be devestating for sure, it's not going to destroy the world like the global warming guys claim.

[danzig]

"Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States"

I thought they were melting and causing sea levels to rise. Ah man screw it I swear some enviromentalist are no better then guy standing on the corner with the sign "Jesus is Coming Repent Now End of the World is Soon". Im just gonna hide under my bed until end of the world just to be safe.

[bdh]

"Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States"

I thought they were melting and causing sea levels to rise. Ah man screw it I swear some enviromentalist are no better then guy standing on the corner with the sign "Jesus is Coming Repent Now End of the World is Soon". Im just gonna hide under my bed until end of the world just to be safe.

Actually, he's right about his glaciers. I read an article about that somewheres.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L20420932.htm
This isn't the one I read but its the same story. Very interesting stuff. Its not what global warming initially predicted but the scientists say that it coincides with their models anyway

[Denny Crane!]

Well in the long term global warming would turn to global dimming anyway because of carbon reflecting the suns rays so either way this guy will be right eventually.

Peter

[Lord Rahl]

Some glaciers are retreating and some are advancing, it just depends on where. In the 70's scientists said we were causing global cooling, what now?

If ya'll want to read a lot about "global warming" then I urge you to read up on this,

http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/books/g_warming/

It is from the Fraser Insitute based in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. It is non-profit and actually is a very unbiased research medium.

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/index.asp

[bdh]

Well in the long term global warming would turn to global dimming anyway because of carbon reflecting the suns rays so either way this guy will be right eventually.

Peter

Well, based on what the this ice age guy says, CO2 warming is a myth.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Global_Warming_Myth.htm
He sites some evidence, alot of it is disputed, like his sun-spots example. He does list a lot of stuff though. Very long

Some glaciers are retreating and some are advancing, it just depends on where. In the 70's scientists said we were causing global cooling, what now?

If ya'll want to read a lot about "global warming" then I urge you to read up on this,

http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/books/g_warming/

It is from the Fraser Insitute based in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. It is non-profit and actually is a very unbiased research medium.

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/index.asp

Well, what you posted makes them all look a little crazy

[Manji]

Well, based on what the this ice age guy says, CO2 warming is a myth.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Global_Warming_Myth.htm

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Yes, i'll be sure to check it out, along with "Aliens: They are here and want our women!" and "Evolution: Why the scientists are wrong and the Pope is right!"

[Francisco Montana]

I'm too tired to get all the info now, but let me just say this.

I'm not convinced the ice age ever ends. It seems to recede then advance, then recede, then advance.

Just something to bare in mind.

[Manji]

I'm too tired to get all the info now, but let me just say this.

I'm not convinced the ice age ever ends. It seems to recede then advance, then recede, then advance.

Just something to bare in mind.

Actually there will be another ice age, it's a cyclical event that is bound to happen. Now, the thing to keep in mind is that an ice age begins slowly, not a Day After Tomorrow event, and it takes more than one century for it become fully visible (larger ice caps, glaciation).

Check this if you have the time:

http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/gl...mate_patterns/

[Fenris]

"Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States"

I thought they were melting and causing sea levels to rise. Ah man screw it I swear some enviromentalist are no better then guy standing on the corner with the sign "Jesus is Coming Repent Now End of the World is Soon". Im just gonna hide under my bed until end of the world just to be safe.

Well most trusted theories talk about a global warming, but some say local glaciations, and overall, we don't know what the long terms consequences of global warming could be. Glaciation is a possibility, it's rather complex to predict exactly what will happen because there is so many factors involved.

[HorseArcher]

well, this should be a topic for the science forum. moved.

[Justinian]

I won't go into the science stuff because I know nothing about it. But the guy is suggesting that because mammoths and other 11,500 year old extinct animals were wiped out by the ice age, humans will be wiped out, too. Bull. Mammoths didn't have heaters.

[humvee2800]

An interesting fact(this may have nothing too do with this but), some glaciers in norway have actualy begun speeding up in there growth so theyadvance at a speed of about a foot a day meaning that if you are realy silent you can actually hear them grinding along

[HorseArcher]

I think, this is just too hilarious from the same site:




, but I always thought that some major change in climate (alas ice age or "jungle-age") would begin with unusually unpredictable weather and unusally strong and numerous hurricanes and other extreme weather, signaling the changes to come in temperatures. Hmmm...we had an unusally too many hurricanes this fall. makes me wonder.

[Erik]

, but I always thought that some major change in climate (alas ice age or "jungle-age") would begin with unusually unpredictable weather and unusally strong and numerous hurricanes and other extreme weather, signaling the changes to come in temperatures. Hmmm...we had an unusally too many hurricanes this fall. makes me wonder.

This is also what I thought.
And I did got the feeling that weather is getting more extreme in the last years.
A few years ago they even revesed the flow of the river Amstel because it was so unusually dry (so they could irrigate the land)
They NEVER did that before.

I would love to see some statistics to see if weather has realy become more extreme.
Is there even a way to measure how extreme weather is?

[Justinian]

It can only be a bad sign that we were up to Tropical Storm Epsilon last time I checked, or that it's snowed in places it never snows, or that snows have started so early...

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Africa and South America suddenly boomed as people mass-migrated to the southern hemisphere, fleeing from the ice age?

[bdh]

This is also what I thought.
And I did got the feeling that weather is getting more extreme in the last years.
A few years ago they even revesed the flow of the river Amstel because it was so unusually dry (so they could irrigate the land)
They NEVER did that before.

I would love to see some statistics to see if weather has realy become more extreme.
Is there even a way to measure how extreme weather is?

well i don't know how reliable it is, but this is a list from the site cooling site.
http://www.iceagenow.com/Global_Warming_Myth.htm
he sites sources for each one though. its a list of radical weather. There is some pretty crazy stuff going on

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Global warming implies an increase the the entire earths annual mean temperature, it doesnt mean every place on the entire planet will become warmer. I prefer to say "Human induced global climate change" rather than global warming. I prefer to base my opinoins on facts collcetd by much reputable sources than some guy with his own personal website. And can increased snowfall really be unexpected if the earth mean annual temperature changes? I know this is a little simplistitc but here is my little pet thought exercise: increased mean air temerpature ---> increased ocean temperature---> increased evaporation from the ocrean---> increased precipitation inland--->winter snowfall>summer melt----> artic snowpack/glacial growth-->higher albido-->more sunlight reflected from the poles-->global cooling

Does this mean that we will all wake up with 9 stories of ice in front of our houses? probably not.