The enemy you hate to fight?

[Sanguinary Guardian]

I know Abbadon is one, but what's the next super unit?

I take it he means possessed and Berzerkers.

[|Sith|10|Darklord_Max]

If you want it that way, then every people without Hellenic blood, language and religion are the real barbarians...including Romans.

The greeks coined the term Barbaroi as a word similar to todays "Foreigner"

The Romans adapted this like many other things in greek culture and called all non romans barbarians. note that by that time greece had become a part of the roman empire, as well as being the main ripoff point for the romans who were infatuated with their culture. Hence the term barbarian implied to all non roman/greek people. because their language sounded retarded to them.

[Sanguinary Guardian]

The greeks coined the term Barbaroi as a word similar to todays "Foreigner"

The Romans adapted this like many other things in greek culture and called all non romans barbarians. note that by that time greece had become a part of the roman empire, as well as being the main ripoff point for the romans who were infatuated with their culture. Hence the term barbarian implied to all non roman/greek people. because their language sounded retarded to them.

The original meaning of the word was non-Greek, though....

[Påsan]

he means deamon prince and red-cow-with-an-axe-bloodthirster. besides, caos aint got nothin on bane-RELEASE ELEVEN BARRELS OF HELL!!-blade in the warmachine department

[Sanguinary Guardian]

he means deamon prince and red-cow-with-an-axe-bloodthirster. besides, caos aint got nothin on bane-RELEASE ELEVEN BARRELS OF HELL!!-blade in the warmachine department

Chaos armies use captured Imperial Baneblades...

[Ulysses S. Grant]

Well they don't need to capture them. Many of the Chaos Marine Legions had fellblades (Space Marine Baneblades) and still employ them. Plus with all the traitor mechanicum planets they got some would definitely have baneblades or even the capacity to build them.

[Sanguinary Guardian]

Well they don't need to capture them. Many of the Chaos Marine Legions had fellblades (Space Marine Baneblades) and still employ them. Plus with all the traitor mechanicum planets they got some would definitely have baneblades or even the capacity to build them.

If I am not mistaken, Iron Warriors mostly employ Baneblades, isn't that so?

[Lord of the Drunk Penguin]

I don't know, but if I was a Guardsman I would hate to be killed by a Demonette without having the chance to bang her.

[Ulysses S. Grant]

If I am not mistaken, Iron Warriors mostly employ Baneblades, isn't that so?

They do. But there are baneblades in other legions. In the Marine Codex the Alpha Legion use one against the Raven Guard (Before it is destroyed by White Scars).

[Imperator of Rome]

it was some book I read some years ago

Doubt it, but around Pompey's epoch, Mithdrates trained Pontic imitation troops after failing to beat the Romans with a Hellenistic one.

[Hopit]

Doubt it, but around Pompey's epoch, Mithdrates trained Pontic imitation troops after failing to beat the Romans with a Hellenistic one.

The Numidian ones were actually probably the only true "imitation Legionaries" of the whole lot - picked troops trained by allied Roman officers and instructors. The others were by and large local developements of flexible close-combat infantry with "precursor" throwing-spears, eg. Thureophoroi. The Romans just had a bad habit of somewhat narcissistically assuming any "civilised" troops which fought in such a fashion were a copy of their own methods when they saw those - although at least a few of the Hellenistic types *did* apparently adopt Roman organisational patterns at some point.

In the case of Numidia their imitation legionaries were the result of long contact with Rome. Much is unknown about them, but we do know that in some cases these troops were trained by Rome directly and in others it was a close attempt to copy them. The best known example is that of Tacfarinas, who used his imitation legionaries to wage a rebellion against the Emperor Tiberius in AD 17-AD 24.

[|Sith|10|Darklord_Max]

Theo original meaning of the word was non-Greek, though....

The irony in your reply is that to a Greek person, all non greek people are foreigners. not to mention the fact that the Romans fervently believed themselves to be decendants of the Trojans...

[Sanguinary Guardian]

The irony in your reply is that to a Greek person, all non greek people are foreigners.

Where is the irony in that? This is true for every nationality. Everyone is a barbarian to another.My point is that Hopit said "all non latin speaking people are barbarians " and I claimed that the original use for barbarian was the one the Greeks used for foreigners, Romans included...

[Lord of the Drunk Penguin]

Where is the irony in that? This is true for every nationality. Everyone is a barbarian to another.

Even if the "another" is a cultured, highly developed country that shares common ancestors with yours?

[Sanguinary Guardian]

Even if the "another" is a cultured, highly developed country that shares common ancestors with yours?

If you mean the Romans, yes, I do believe they were below Greeks in that aspect, as much as I admire them for their war machine, and their tenacity. But to claim that Romans were a highly developed culture (I am not talking about the achievements in technology etc, I am talking about arts) before they conquered Greece is plainly wrong, IMO...as for their ancestry, it's just their opinion that they descend from Trojans, that does not make it valid. Now as for the "Everyone is a barbarian to another" I meant that most nations at the time, viewed the others as barbarians-foreigners.

[Lord of the Drunk Penguin]

If you mean the Romans, yes, I do believe they were below Greeks in that aspect, as much as I admire them for their war machine, and their tenacity. But to claim that Romans were a highly developed culture (I am not talking about the achievements in technology etc, I am talking about arts) before they conquered Greece is plainly wrong, IMO...as for their ancestry, it's just their opinion that they descend from Trojans, that does not make it valid. Now as for the "Everyone is a barbarian to another" I meant that most nations at the time, viewed the others as barbarians-foreigners.

According to this http://www.theonion.com/articles/his...-greeks,18209/

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ancient Greeks aren't even real.

[Sanguinary Guardian]

According to this http://www.theonion.com/articles/his...-greeks,18209/

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Ancient Greeks aren't even real.

Naturally...it is so, if you so believe...Romans did everything.

[|Sith|10|Darklord_Max]

If you mean the Romans, yes, I do believe they were below Greeks in that aspect, as much as I admire them for their war machine, and their tenacity. But to claim that Romans were a highly developed culture (I am not talking about the achievements in technology etc, I am talking about arts) before they conquered Greece is plainly wrong, IMO...as for their ancestry, it's just their opinion that they descend from Trojans, that does not make it valid. Now as for the "Everyone is a barbarian to another" I meant that most nations at the time, viewed the others as barbarians-foreigners.

the fact is that trojans were a greek people. If the romans were truly descendant of Trojan refugees, they would not fall under the category of Barbaroi. they firmly believed in their heritage and made the greek culture their own after conquering them.

ofcourse reading the philipica thing that demosthenes wrote, and the greek civil war that followed ww2, greeks have quite a track record of denouncing their own kin.

[cenkiss]

Trojans were not a greek people.They were an anatolian city-state.

[Ulysses S. Grant]

Why do you people have to drag this thread into this pointless argument?