SS6.4 early era historically more accurate start position (1100)

[Fair Prince]

Yep, the maximum number of regions (and settlements) is 199.
Needless to say, all slots are used up.

[Smokey Bacon]

Well I don't think there is any regions that can be removed anyway

So do you not think Kerak should be removed seeing as it wasn't built till 1140ish i think. Montreal was also built after 1100 but before 1140 and the closer the better i guess.

[Gorrrrrn]

al_Karak was an important settlement before the crusader castle was built:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Karak

[Fair Prince]

Roz, and what's your opinion on my Hamadan suggestion btw?
Considering that the in-game Seljuks were practically the Hamadani 'branch' of the nation (as I pointed out in post #30), I think it would make sense to replace Kermanshah with the city of Hamadan.
What's more, it could be even selected as the capital of the Empire.

[Smokey Bacon]

Al Karak was an important town but it's the castle represented on the map, which wasn't yet built. Maybe change the name and start it as a town.

And if more castles are needed then i think Krak des chevaliers definitly should be considered, if only for the late campaign, it was very important in several ways. Also it was a head quaters for the hospitallers so should could be given a knights of st.john guild straight away? And allthough I thought the crusaders captured it after 1100, after a quick google search, I found they captured it in 1099 but then abandoned it until Tancred took over it in 1110. Unfourtunatly I don't have a good argument for Montreal to be included

Also Aleppo is shown as a castle but really it was a town with a citadel not that there is much to do about that.

[Gorrrrrn]

SB - the whole town / castle division is fairly arbitrary - you can probably make a case for changing a lot of settlements on that basis one way or another.
Al-Karak deserves its place on the map either way.
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Hamadan / Kermanshah - presumably the same region, just requires moving the town and renaming it.
shouldn't require any other changes?

(although we'll need to change all the files that need Kermanshah and replace with Hamadan.)
as both were important settlements one can make a case for either.
only real question then becomes is it worth making all the changes?

[Fair Prince]

Hamadan / Kermanshah - presumably the same region, just requires moving the town and renaming it.
shouldn't require any other changes?

(although we'll need to change all the files that need Kermanshah and replace with Hamadan.)
as both were important settlements one can make a case for either.
only real question then becomes is it worth making all the changes?

Roz, I think relocating the settlement and renaming it to Hamadan in the output text files will be enough.
There's no need to change the region ID in my opinion.

[Gorrrrrn]

FP - hopefully CC will see that!

[Fair Prince]

FP - hopefully CC will see that!

I hope that too, and perhaps he'll also give us some update on the progress soon.

[Gorrrrrn]

Thinking about it maybe we should give Hamadan to Seljuks?

It's simple enough to do in the descr_strat

[Fair Prince]

Thinking about it maybe we should give Hamadan to Seljuks?

It's simple enough to do in the descr_strat

Yes, definitely - and as I pointed out a few posts before, it should also be selected as their new capital.

[Fair Prince]

Roz, I see you also plan to add Targoviste to the Rebels - is this because you want to distinguish the Pecheneg territory from the Cuman lands?
I'm asking because I took another look at the map and I think I will follow suit in SSHCP, possibly making Baia independent too.

[Gorrrrrn]

yes Targoviste for rebels looks about right for Pechenegs
- and the Byzantines grab it on turn 2 or thereabouts.

Baia should be Cuman by 1100 I think (maps can be misleading but it seems about right.)

[Bund weicher Birnen]

I can't wait to play this submod!!!
It really increase the fun of SS when it comes out!! Especially for the Roman Empire

[Caesar Clivus]

FP - hopefully CC will see that!

Sorry guys my life is rather right now so there hasn't been any progress of late.

[Gorrrrrn]

CC - sorry to hear of your situation.

hope you can return to the fray in due course when things are more conducive to modding.

[Fair Prince]

Sorry guys my life is rather right now so there hasn't been any progress of late.

I second Roz's words - let's hope your problems will be gone soon, so you will be able to support us with your fine modding skills.

[Caesar Clivus]

So is the final list of all the required/wanted changes still in the first post?

[Gorrrrrn]

only change I'd make (after game testing) is to give Mosul back to the Turks - would help them a lot!

[Haertelius Magnus]

FP - read your comments after typing this summary :

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Summary of proposed region changes for Stainless Steel 6.3 early era - 1100

Faction

Aragon
rename Aragon-Navarra
remove Zaragoza and Barcelona
add Pamplona (no change to region)

Byzantium
remove Durazzo
add Ragusa (SE part of region to be used for new region)

Crusader States
none

Cumans
remove Targoviste, Kazan, Bulgar, Yelabuga
add Azaq, Astrakhan, Oleshe
rename Astrakhan to Xacitarxan
merge Jaiksk and Embi regions
chop NW chunk off of Baia region and add to Halych

Denmark
change Lund from town to castle (no change to region)

Egypt
rename Luxor castle to Aswan castle (no change to region)

England
none

France
none

Genoa
remove Pisa and Ajaccio (no change to regions)

HRE
remove Staufen castle replace with Strasburg city (no change to region)
move Hamburg port to approx location of Lubeck (on Baltic coast)

Hungary
remove Brasov and replace with Gyulafehérvár (no change to region)
remove Kassa and replace with Eger (no change to region)

Kievan Rus
replace Zhitomyr with Vladimir-Volonskii and moved Chernigov, Pereslavl, to more accurate positions.
relocate Pereslavl

Khwarezm
remove Rayy (no change to region)

Leon
rename of faction to Leon-Castile
add Burgos (no change to region)

Lithuania
none

Moors
rename faction to Murabitim or Almoravids
rename Seville to Badajoz (no change to region)
add new Seville region with land taken from Silves and Cordoba
relocate Granada to north of mountains
add Lisbon

Norway
add Oslo region (no change to region)

Novgorod
remove Moscow and Yaroslavl
add Pskov

Papal States
none

Poland
add Wroclaw (no change to region)
remove Halych
change Plock from town to castle (adjust region to take part of Thorn)

Portugal
replace Oporto with Braga (no change to region)

Scotland
remove Inverness (no change to region)

Sicily
add Bari and Durazzo

Turks
remove Tbilisi, Mosul
replace Qarisiya with Ar-Raggah (possibly adjust region)

Venice
remove Ragusa (no change to region)


Rebels
add Yelabuga, Kazan, Bulgar, Zaragoza, Barcelona, Rayy, Tbilisi, Mosul, Inverness,
add Halych (adjust region to give western chunk to Krakow and add NW chunk of Baia to Halych)
remove Oleshe, Azaq, Astrakhan (to Cumans), Lisbon (to Moors)
replace Benghazi with Barqa (no change to region)
replace Moscow with Vladimir (no change to region)
replace Yaroslavl with Rostov (no change to region)
replace Bern with Zurich (no change to region)
replace Thorn with Gdansk (shrink region)
replace Adana with Sis (no change to region)
replace Bruges with Ghent (no change to region)
relocate Smolensk and Polotsk to more accurate locations
adjust Zagreb region to reach Adriatic Sea
merge Kazan and Khlynov regions
create new region from southern sections of Ragusa and Belgrade regions - capital Shkodër.

"remove Staufen castle replace with Strasburg city (no change to region)"

more likely the most important town in Swabia would be Augsburg


"move Hamburg port to approx location of Lubeck (on Baltic coast)"

no, thats wrong, only the river flows South of Hamburg

in 1100 Heinrich IV´s son Konrad should be in Italy, he died there 1101 in Florenz (should have 0 loyalty)
daughter Agnes should be married to Friedrich I von Stauffen (duke in Swabia)
by 1100 Heinrich IV + Heinrich V should be in the Frankfurt region