Bribing El Cid in 6.3

[Sanderlicious]

So it seems nearly impossible to bribe the infamous El Cid by normal means in-game. So, just for fun, I began testing to see under what scenarios he would be willing to change loyalties.

As Aragon, he was willing to join me using a diplomat I cheated to have Secretive 3, SmoothTalker 3, and GoodDiplomat 5. After adding nearly 1 mil florins to my spare change, he and his entire army joined.

Under the same scenario as Leon, he will not yield. Even if I add more money, and more stats to my diplomat. Even after I besiege him twice to whittle away at his numbers, he would not accept any bribe.

Does anyone know if El Cid is less likely to accept a bribe based on your faction? Anything I can edit to make him less stubborn?

Also, anyone ever been able to bribe him without cheats? I would love to be able to do this, but it seems like a foolhardy endeavor...

[bɑne]

Whats the outcome when using princesses? Love conquering all and all that...

[Sanderlicious]

Unfortunately, Princesses can't bribe or marry rebel generals... so mine is useless until I can bribe him over to my side.

Then I'll have CID BABIES!

[bɑne]

Unfortunately, Princesses can't bribe or marry rebel generals

Interesting. I thought that was possible as long the general wasn't married.

Then I'll have CID BABIES!

Congrats

[Ishan]

Interesting. I thought that was possible as long the general wasn't married.

Well u might know that ur princesses can marry generals belonging to the Catholic or orthodox factions only but they can't marry rebel or Islamic generals.

And the answer lies in the descr_sm_factions.txt file coz they can't have princesses. Now if it's set to yes then they can engage the marriage event but now they will produce princesses as well when they come of age but rebels can't since they don't have a family tree.

Anyways the sample code is:-

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faction					slave
culture					southern_european
religion					heretic
special_faction_type				slave_faction
symbol					models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
rebel_symbol				models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour				red 110, green 110, blue 110
secondary_colour				red 239, green 239, blue 239
loading_logo				loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_slaves.tga
standard_index				24
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_REBELS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_REBELS
triumph_value				5
custom_battle_availability			no
can_sap					yes
prefers_naval_invasions			no
can_have_princess				noyes
has_family_tree				no

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faction					moors
culture					middle_eastern
religion					islam
symbol					models_strat/symbol_moors.CAS
rebel_symbol				models_strat/symbol_rebels.CAS
primary_colour				red 254, green 120, blue 0
secondary_colour				red 239, green 239, blue 239
loading_logo				loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_moors.tga
standard_index				16
logo_index					FACTION_LOGO_MOORS
small_logo_index				SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_MOORS
triumph_value				5
custom_battle_availability			yes
can_sap					yes
prefers_naval_invasions			yes
can_have_princess				noyes
has_family_tree				yes

[bɑne]

Well u might know that ur princesses can marry generals belonging to the Catholic or orthodox factions only but they can't marry rebel or Islamic generals.

No idea why but I thought that someone managed to get Istvan by marriage. Must have gotten that mixed up.

[Ishan]

No idea why but I thought that someone managed to get Istvan by marriage. Must have gotten that mixed up.

Well i can't say about SS but in vanilla Istvan(Hungarian general) near bran can be persuaded for marriage by any catholic or orthodox princess.

But if in SS he is already married from the start of campaign then it's not possible.
Fact:-A princess can't marry a married general.

[bɑne]

Well i can't say about SS but in vanilla Istvan(Hungarian general)

Arrgghh why was I thinking he was a rebel general? Well, I was bound to pay for the lack of sleep somehow so stumbling from this kind of minor mixup into another one is a price I'm willing to pay. Excuse me while I run from this topic

[Ishan]

Nah it's was a honest mistake and i also sometimes get confused and unintentionally spill wrong info sometimes.

You are a cool guy and SS guys must be proud to have u coz u provide 24/7 help to SS players.

[Sanderlicious]

And the answer lies in the descr_sm_factions.txt file coz they can't have princesses. Now if it's set to yes then they can engage the marriage event but now they will produce princesses as well when they come of age but rebels can't since they don't have a family tree.

OK. So what you are saying is that if I change it so that it says they can have princesses, I will be able to marry a rebel general, but they cannot produce princesses because they do not have a family tree?

[Ishan]

OK. So what you are saying is that if I change it so that it says they can have princesses, I will be able to marry a rebel general, but they cannot produce princesses because they do not have a family tree?

Yes then u will be able to marry ur princess to El Cid Campeador the Coolest rebel in town.
It will be something like this:-

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And the end result if lucky be would be:-

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Good Luck !

[Sanderlicious]

Thanks! It works beautifully.

No cheats at all and I was able to convince him to join me in one try using Urraca Jimenez.
It seems that even El Cid falls victim to:

Love conquering all and all that...

reps all round.

Time to get busy making cid babies

[Ishan]

Glad to help and have fun bro.

[Fair Prince]

Just on a side note, El Cid was not only a married general since 1075 but he also died in 1099 - so his presence in the game is quite 'questionable', to say the least... But never mind, good luck with those Cid babies!

[Ishan]

El Cid can never die in our hearts to hell with historical accuracies.

El Cid FTW!

[Seether]

No cheats at all and I was able to convince him to join me...

Isn't altering descr_sm_factions.txt, so that you can now steal away rebel generals, cheating?

[Ishan]

Isn't altering descr_sm_factions.txt, so that you can now steal away rebel generals, cheating?

In a way u could say it but that way every mod is a cheat.
Technically it's modding.

[Sanderlicious]

In a way u could say it but that way every mod is a cheat.
Technically it's modding.

Exactly. Its not cheating, just creative modification to get around game mechanics...

[Paladin94610]

So El Cid emerges only in Late Era. I don't see any emergent script in campaign script of him in Early Era file.

[bɑne]

So El Cid emerges only in Late Era. I don't see any emergent script in campaign script of him in Early Era file.

El Cid emerges in Late Era?

Just on a side note, El Cid was not only a married general since 1075 but he also died in 1099 - so his presence in the game is quite 'questionable', to say the least... But never mind, good luck with those Cid babies!

Btw I think William Wallace is off by a year or two as well