Dwarfs wanted me to become a Vassal?

**Deedlit** · August 13, 2010, 06:33 AM

Playing High elves on turn 10 or so and after taking one of towns they asked me to become there Vassal, so i accepted, right so now what? what just happened and how does it effect me?

**~~slowbro~~** · August 13, 2010, 06:34 AM

So you need to make a thread a bout it?

**Cooltosha** · August 13, 2010, 06:50 AM

Learn basic game concepts before posting for every single thing you don't understand. You accepted to be someone's vassal, by medieval terms, you became someone's bi*ch. /sarcasmon Enjoy it. /sarcasmoff

**jản** · August 13, 2010, 06:52 AM

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Becoming a vassal means that you lost the game since you lost your independence.

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**Deedlit** · August 13, 2010, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by jản

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Becoming a vassal means that you lost the game since you lost your independence.

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How is that a bad thing? It generaly means though that two kingdoms have united?

@Cooltosha

Learn basic game concepts before posting for every single thing you don't understand

Before posting for everysingle thing i don't understand? this is the first post ive made in Along time about not understanding somthing in the game. And even then i didn't even know what the word men't.

**~~slowbro~~** · August 13, 2010, 07:07 AM

you better make it a poll then

**Mikail Mengsk** · August 13, 2010, 07:19 AM

Do it and bow to the real masters of Middle Earth

**jản** · August 13, 2010, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Starwen

How is that a bad thing? It generaly means though that two kingdoms have united?

Well this depends on the view. But if i remember correctly you lost the game in Medieval II
vanilla, when you become a vassal of someone - with the "Game over" loosing video. It sounds
like you didn't get the "defeat" video. Maybe someone should check the loosing conditions.

But to sum it up you don't really have any advantage from being a vassal, i think. But it would
be great if you could try it out yourself and tell us. things like taxes, tributes, alliance stances,
income of both your and the dwarven faction.

**Harabec** · August 13, 2010, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Starwen

How is that a bad thing? It generaly means though that two kingdoms have united?

A Personal Union is when two nations are united under a single ruler, but remain separate nations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_union

A Vassal keeps their own ruler (or a puppet ruler) but pays tribute to their overlord.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vassal

There is no benefit to becoming vassal other than maybe they won't attack you, but only until you have rebuilt your army and can defeat them.

**~~slowbro~~** · August 13, 2010, 07:26 AM

http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...-Strategy-Tips

**MasterBigAb** · August 13, 2010, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Starwen

How is that a bad thing? It generaly means though that two kingdoms have united?

Before posting for everysingle thing i don't understand? this is the first post ive made in Along time about not understanding somthing in the game. And even then i didn't even know what the word men't.

First: two kingdoms haven't really united, they took some kind of controll over you, parts of your income will go to them etc...

Second: He is right, you should be here long enough to FINALLY know that you should use the "Ask Question Thread" for minor questions !!!!
I'm sick of telling that.
Don't tell me you haven't opened a new thread for a long time, i'll list only some of the last ones you only opened since june and half of them would have belonged to the "AQThread":

Question anwsered ?

**Danny_K_1** · August 13, 2010, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by slowbro

So you need to make a thread a bout it?

Originally Posted by Cooltosha

Learn basic game concepts before posting for every single thing you don't understand. You accepted to be someone's vassal, by medieval terms, you became someone's bi*ch. /sarcasmon Enjoy it. /sarcasmoff

Why be like that? Of course he is going to make a thread about it, he doesn't understand it. And how else is he supposed to learn it? Vassals are hardly basic game concepts anyway it hardly pops up in normal games of Medieval. Either help or don't post simple.

**ELB27** · August 13, 2010, 09:35 AM

now when i think of this: can the AI become my vassal?(i get some of his income etc etc)

**Shocked** · August 13, 2010, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by ELB27

now when i think of this: can the AI become my vassal?(i get some of his income etc etc)

Yes

**The Edain** · August 13, 2010, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by ELB27

now when i think of this: can the AI become my vassal?(i get some of his income etc etc)

Yes, But I forget the conditions that you need for the option in the diplomatic menu. I think you have to be at war and the faction has to be either economically worse or Military worse then you. I think. Don't qoute me on that though.

**Deedlit** · August 13, 2010, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by ELB27

now when i think of this: can the AI become my vassal?(i get some of his income etc etc)

I think once i managed to get an AI to be come a Vassal for me, but after two turns it broke it and started a war against me, even though it only had one town left.

**Mikail Mengsk** · August 13, 2010, 10:00 AM

Yes, it's VERY difficoult and in fact almost worthless, unfortunately.

**ELB27** · August 13, 2010, 10:14 AM

ok then... (right when i thought of a way to boost my economy!

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EDIT: oh! and what are those conditions to get this option in the diplomatic scroll? (i just want to test it, never saw this option in my games before)

**~~TheXand~~** · August 13, 2010, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Danny_K_1

Why be like that? Of course he is going to make a thread about it, he doesn't understand it. And how else is he supposed to learn it? Vassals are hardly basic game concepts anyway it hardly pops up in normal games of Medieval. Either help or don't post simple.

Agreed.

Though personally if I were playing as the Dwarves I would get some satisfaction from making the Elves become the vassals for my imperialistic ambitions of domination and racial supremacy and domination by the almighty Dwarves. Naturally I would betray and ethnically cleanse those pesky Elves. Stunted greedy stubborn types ftw.