Faction speculation thread

[ignoramus maximus]

I know there as already been alot of these but there is no active one and i for one like to guess what factions will be in so anyway i think a celtiberian tribe,a belgae tribe,Massaesylii,kartli,scordisci,and atropatene.What do you think?

[Mediolanicus]

I think there are two active ones on the first page of the forum alone.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=372861&page=5
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=375279

You could also do a forum search and look at the names of possible factions that pretty much everyone that frequents here has suggested at least 48 times.

[ignoramus maximus]

The first of those two threads was white hand trying to force an illyrian faction and the second one was not much different so I made a faction thread not an Illyrio-Thracian faction thread.

[Baldwin of Jerusalem]

I might as well use this thread to see if anyone else shares my opinion on what extra factions should go in.
So, as I understand it the game currently has all of the factions from EB1, plus the Boii, the Bosporan Kingdom, the massalya (or some such) and Pergamon. In other words they have used 4 of the 10 extra faction slots. Well here is my wishlist for the remaining 6 new slots:

1. A Belgic (Celtic) faction
2. Another German faction
3. Another Celtic/Iberian Spanish faction
4. Syracuse
5. Rhodes
6. Another Scythian/steppe faction

[Brapbrapbap]

1. A Belgic (Celtic) faction

Name one

2. Another German faction

Name one

3. Another Celtic/Iberian Spanish faction

The Celtiberians maybe, Iberia really needs a second faction

4. Syracuse
5. Rhodes

I think EB have already states that they won't add both of these,mainly because in this time-frame they didn't do much other than survive.

They'll most likely have really strong garrisons to make up for it

6. Another Scythian/steppe faction

Not much use honestly.

[Balbor]

my six would probably be
1 Syracusan (maybe as a vassal state of Epirus)
2 Massilia (maybe as a vassal state of Rome)
3 Galatia
4 Another Iberian faction, maybe Arevaci (and Vaccaei)
5 Another Germanic faction (maybe a faction to represent the Cimbrians and Teutons located in Jutland)
6 Not sure? Another barbarian faction i guess.

[Horatius Flaccus]

2 Massilia (maybe as a vassal state of Rome)

No, it's one of the only ones that is completely ruled out.

5 Another Germanic faction (maybe a faction to represent the Cimbrians and Teutons located in Jutland)

The Cimbri will not be in the game. In any form (so no hording, emerggent or settled faction).

[Xerrop]

1. A Belgic (Celtic) faction

Maybe. But when the Britons in EB2 will finally expand to mainland Europe the area could be very crowded.

2. Another German faction

Was often ruled out by the comments. Problem is that not much is known about 3rd century BC and the Cimbri emerged only in late 2nd century bc.

3. Another Celtic/Iberian Spanish faction

Or just make Carthage stronger to actually expand in this area.
But a second faction will make the early stage as Lusotanni for sure more contested.

4. Syracuse

Located on an island with only three provinces. Too weak I guess. And the AI Romans have already problems to expand outside Italy successfully. Another bordering nation will make that even worser.

5. Rhodes

Is part of the Koinon Hellenon. And they won´t be split. Aside from that the Rhodesians were known as merchants and not as warlike conquerors. Their fleets only supported larger empires like Ptolemaioi, the Seleucids (only one time against the Ptolemaioi) or Pergamon.

6. Another Scythian/steppe faction

Well Scythia itself would make a good faction to border the Bosporan kingdom.

[Moros]

You guys can do better than this!

[Balbor]

No, it's one of the only ones that is completely ruled out.

How are you going to represent the 389AD treaty they had with Rome? Similar to the Carthaginian/Rome one is Scilly?

[Gunga Din]

A lithuanian faction would be a good addition but am thinking there is little information pertaining to specifics on the faction. As well as another Germanic faction which I would think is already in the works.

[Horatius Flaccus]

How are you going to represent the 389AD treaty they had with Rome? Similar to the Carthaginian/Rome one is Scilly?

I'm no team member so I don't know if it will be represented at all. If I remember correctly it wasn't in EB1.

Regarding new factions, this would be my list:

1. A Celtiberian tribe, probably the Arevaci. I'm almost certain of this one.
2. The Massaesylians. I'm also quite confident that this one will be in.
3. A Belgae tribe, possibly the Nervii.
4. The Scordiscii
5. Another (Celtic-)Germanic tribe, possibly the Bastarnae.
6. Another Arabian faction, possibly the Nabataeans.

Syracuse is a possibility (one I would be very interested in), but I don't think they will be included. Basically losing their independence 9 years from the start date is probably one of the reasons for that.

Although they probably won't include all factions in the first release. My guess is they will include all announced factions with probably one or two factions of the list above.

[Balbor]

A faction to represent the Celto-Greeks, which could include the city of Massilia. In my current campaign Carthage took a city on the north east cost of Spain which then rebelled and became KH. Similar thing happens in Anatolia with a city rebelling to a celtic one.

[Horatius Flaccus]

A faction to represent the Celto-Greeks, which could include the city of Massilia. In my current campaign Carthage took a city on the north east cost of Spain which then rebelled and became KH. Similar thing happens in Anatolia with a city rebelling to a celtic one.

Yes, the greek colonies in the west (Emporion, Massilia, Syracuse) will join the Koinon Hellenon when they revolt. They will however not represent these cities as 'one' faction, it would be unhistorical. Your best hope is Syracuse I guess.

And the region of Galatia in Anatolia revolts to either the Aedui or Arverni.

[F-ake]

You guys can do better than this!

The 9 factions:
Always known:
1.Boii
2.Mamla'ha biMassylim
3.Pergamom
4.Bosphorus Kingdom

and:
5.A Belgae tribe : probably Bellovaci, Nervi or Suessiones
6.A Celtiberian tribe : probably Celtiberi
7.Another tribs in Great-Britain, not necessary the picts or brigantes, maybe a trib in Ireland
8.The Aetolien League
9.The Scordisi

[Horatius Flaccus]

7.Another tribs in Great-Britain, not necessary the picts or brigantes, maybe a trib in Ireland

They are already ruled out I believe. The only faction on the British Isles are going to be the Pritanoi.

8.The Aetolien League

Though it certainly is an interesting choice, it does have some problems. Greece for example is already very crowded (with 3 factions, and only Thermon as a 'rebel' city) and I think they would be crushed very soon. I also think it isn't that different from the Koinon Hellenon, and if they would include another 'classic' Greek faction Syracuse is probably a more interesting candidate.

[bobbin]

6.A Celtiberian tribe : probably Celtiberi

There was no tribe called the Celtiberi AFAIK.

[Balbor]

There was no tribe called the Celtiberi AFAIK.

what about the Arevaci, and there allies?

[Balbor]

Yes, the greek colonies in the west (Emporion, Massilia, Syracuse) will join the Koinon Hellenon when they revolt. They will however not represent these cities as 'one' faction, it would be unhistorical. Your best hope is Syracuse I guess.

And the region of Galatia in Anatolia revolts to either the Aedui or Arverni.

Why doesn't Syracuse rebel to Epirus? I think Pyrrhus left one of his generals in charge of the city when he left, he was crowned king shortly after that but I'm not sure of the cities relations with Epirus.

Massilia and Emporion starting out as independent cities but if they rebel against invaders they suddenly decided to join Koinon Hellenon a little unrealistic due to there location and distance to the ancestral homeland. It would be the equivalent of setting all of Alexander's former conquests to rebel to Macedonia.

Galatia revoting to Arverni is also somewhat unrealistic, which is why I'd like to see Galatia as start as a vessel nation, could also help trigger some more interesting wars in that region instead of everyone beating on the Seleucid empire .

[The10thLegion]

Why doesn't Syracuse rebel to Epirus? I think Pyrrhus left one of his generals in charge of the city when he left, he was crowned king shortly after that but I'm not sure of the cities relations with Epirus.

The general revolted and let Syracuse become independent.

Massilia and Emporion starting out as independent cities but if they rebel against invaders they suddenly decided to join Koinon Hellenon a little unrealistic due to there location and distance to the ancestral homeland. It would be the equivalent of setting all of Alexander's former conquests to rebel to Macedonia.

Agreed but in RTW it is hardcoded so that the settlement revolts to the closest faction that shares it's culture I think.

Galatia revoting to Arverni is also somewhat unrealistic, which is why I'd like to see Galatia as start as a vessel nation, could also help trigger some more interesting wars in that region instead of everyone beating on the Seleucid empire .

It may be unrealistic, but see above. I think Galatia would not be a good faction however due to Asia minor already being crowded.