That thing about That belt

[FXR]

I notice some very interesting chest belt meshes you've seemingly added to "a lot" of the units, enabling the belt to be textured more cleanly. Then as I looked more closely, I recognized sort of familiar geometric irregularities. And the reason they're familiar is that I was looking at a copy of belt from the chest belt mesh I'd jinned up as part of an Achilles model. The Achilles model was originally uploaded in the mod workshop forum to get advice/comments.

Jul14n, responded to that request - uploaded the model to get a more detailed look at the grouping comments, then replied with some very good suggestions and tips. That was in April of this year. And that model had a seperate chest belt mesh. No great innovation but it aided me in defining the belt while not occluding the armor.

It was afterwards that I began to notice chest/shoulder belt textures on most of the units in Eriador. whereas before, typically belts had been textured as part of a larger body map. Also the timing of appearance was close after my input. This caused an itch which that made me look a little more deeply. Then recently I see that Jul14n associates with Taro, Mithrander, Ellesar 789. So OK I get it.

All in all, a small thing. A very small thing, for I'm using textures and meshes freely given from other creators to rehash into new creations. Good artists glad for people to use their stuff. No drama. As for me, I'm working as well to contribute also, new captain/general models for other mods. Its just the way that this occurred rubs me wrong. You know how you know your own work?

[Hermes Trismegistos]

I notice some very interesting chest belt meshes you've seemingly added to "a lot" of the units, enabling the belt to be textured more cleanly. Then as I looked more closely, I recognized sort of familiar geometric irregularities. And the reason they're familiar is that I was looking at a copy of belt from the chest belt mesh I'd jinned up as part of an Achilles model. The Achilles model was originally uploaded in the mod workshop forum to get advice/comments.

Jul14n, responded to that request - took a close look at the model, and replied with some very good suggestions and tips. That was in April of this year. And that model had a seperate chest belt mesh.

It was after that I noticed the appearance of chest/shoulder belt textures to most of the units in Eriador. No great innovation but the timing of appearance was close after my input. I got an itch then that made me look a little more deeply. Then recently I see that Jul14n associates with Taro, Mithrander, Ellesar 789. So OK I get it.

All in all, a small thing. A very small thing. I'm using textures and meshes freely given from their creators to rehash into new creations. Good artists glad for people to use their stuff. No drama. As for me, I'm working as well to contribute also, new captain/general models for other mods. Its just the way that this occurred rubs me wrong.

But this preview dates back to march .

[FXR]

April was actually my latest posting of that Achilles model. Moreover, these have gone through edits and updates as work progressed.

[DisgruntledGoat]

I notice some very interesting chest belt meshes you've seemingly added to "a lot" of the units, enabling the belt to be textured more cleanly. Then as I looked more closely, I recognized sort of familiar geometric irregularities. And the reason they're familiar is that I was looking at a copy of belt from the chest belt mesh I'd jinned up as part of an Achilles model. The Achilles model was originally uploaded in the mod workshop forum to get advice/comments.

Jul14n, responded to that request - uploaded the model to get a more detailed look at the grouping comments, then replied with some very good suggestions and tips. That was in April of this year. And that model had a seperate chest belt mesh. No great innovation but it aided me in defining the belt while not occluding the armor.

It was afterwards that I began to notice chest/shoulder belt textures on most of the units in Eriador. whereas before, typically belts had been textured as part of a larger body map. Also the timing of appearance was close after my input. This caused an itch which that made me look a little more deeply. Then recently I see that Jul14n associates with Taro, Mithrander, Ellesar 789. So OK I get it.

All in all, a small thing. A very small thing, for I'm using textures and meshes freely given from other creators to rehash into new creations. Good artists glad for people to use their stuff. No drama. As for me, I'm working as well to contribute also, new captain/general models for other mods. Its just the way that this occurred rubs me wrong. You know how you know your own work?

WTF are you trying to say? All the belts I see being used by KK are created by me and have way more detail and way more polygons then those awful models you posted. The fact that you would even think KK and I would stoop to stealing such low quality models for use in TATW is laughable.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

WTF are you trying to say? All the belts I see being used by KK are created by me and have way more detail and way more polygons then those awful models you posted. The fact that you would even think KK and I would stoop to stealing such low quality models for use in TATW is laughable.

That is unacceptable harshness you just posted there. He was just concerned about model quality and was trying to help. He was in no way trying to slander you. And for you to say that the models he posted are awful is a flame post, which is prohibited by the TOS. You should really watch your tongue.

[Louis Lux]

That is unacceptable harshness you just posted there. He was just concerned about model quality and was trying to help. He was in no way trying to slander you. And for you to say that the models he posted are awful is a flame post, which is prohibited by the TOS. You should really watch your tongue.

Are you reading the same post as me?

I got an itch then that made me look a little more deeply. Then recently I see that Jul14n associates with Taro, Mithrander, Ellesar 789. So OK I get it.

All in all, a small thing. A very small thing, for I'm using textures and meshes freely given from other creators to rehash into new creations. Good artists glad for people to use their stuff. No drama. As for me, I'm working as well to contribute also, new captain/general models for other mods. Its just the way that this occurred rubs me wrong.

He is clearly saying that there was unauthorized use of his belt mesh. And if you ask me it's a very serious accusation.

If there is still any doubt look at his profile comment to Jul14n:

Heh, I got a question. I just took a look at the preview of Eriador units. Good looking pretty well made. Then I noticed the chest belt meshes, which looked remarkably similar to my Achilles chest belt mesh. Same irregularities of the geometry and everything. Same floating stand-off from the body mesh. And they seem to have shown up in TATW not long after I uploaded my Achilles model for you to peruse and hopefully give advice about grouping comments. Which you did thankfully. Great job.
But as to the belt, did you pass-on some mesh pieces, because I know my own work. If so, no foul, we're square then for your assistance to me. But I want to know.

Also saying that someone's work sucks is not against the ToS and is in no way flaming. Flaming is characterized by direct insult and to be deliberately instigative, DG was just taking satisfaction which is within his right.

[FXR]

LL

Interesting how my text was re-edited. I just looked back at my posts, cause I didn't remember writing the text in the manner you cited. The phraseology was well, different. So after reading the earlier posts, Nahhh, ... I didn't.

Close, but not as inflammatory as you'd like it to really read.

[Wolfsblut]

That is unacceptable harshness you just posted there. He was just concerned about model quality and was trying to help. He was in no way trying to slander you. And for you to say that the models he posted are awful is a flame post, which is prohibited by the TOS. You should really watch your tongue.

Other forums got their own harshness, tons of it, so let us have our own little one

PS: sorry for doublepost, i always mess up my posts if i try to doublequote

[DisgruntledGoat]

I'm still seething at that completely unfounded attack on my artistic integrity. Christ almighty. He makes a ing belt and thinks he ing invented it. Can't wait FXR to come back and claim we stole a BELT a ing BELT. I've been adding 3D belts to units since 2000 ing 5. , he adds a belt to a model in April and I ing steal it. WTF. I can create all these weapons, helmets, shields, armor from ing scratch and texture it from scratch and I have to ing steal a ing 10 polygon piece of from some RTW mod? Who the do you think you are talking too.

Grrr

[Lioncross]

I'm still seething at that completely unfounded attack on my artistic integrity. Christ almighty. He makes a ing belt and thinks he ing invented it. Can't wait FXR to come back and claim we stole a BELT a ing BELT. I've been adding 3D belts to units since 2000 ing 5. , he adds a belt to a model in April and I ing steal it. WTF. I can create all these weapons, helmets, shields, armor from ing scratch and texture it from scratch and I have to ing steal a ing 10 polygon piece of from some RTW mod? Who the do you think you are talking too.

OH MY GOD I LAUGH SO HARD MY SUPERVISOR CAME TO SEE IF I WAS OK!

The TATW is the best MOD out there for the Total War franchise, the clear detail and dedications is shown on the artwork and careful scripting, even now with 2.0 out, I'm beginning to question who is putting out the best product for the core fan base, and my vote is not with the Creative Assembly, but with the TATW guys.

I don't know jack about modding, and even I could tell the clear difference in quality between the belts, now I'm not insulting your work either, I'm 100% for a Troy:Total War, but implying Goat took your stuff or even use it as reference is low.

On that note, I invented the toilet.

[Rudolf]

Thanks for the laughs. You are clearly the superior belt craftsman.

[Louis Lux]

The guy is clearly clueless. In fact he actually complimented the belts and then edited it with stupid accusations.

What FXR doesn't realize is that Jul14n made a sub mod with TaroM and has no particular affiliation with the other members and much less to DisgruntledGoat.

Also Eriador has been in development from much earlier than March, and how could the belt mesh be the same as the Eriador one if FXR sent the model to Jul14n in April? Unless he is saying that someone hacked his computer to get the mesh or done some time traveling.

FXR, grow up. Jul14n helped you and many others in the mod forums and DisgruntledGoat is one of the most talented skinner/modeller in TWC, questioning their integrity makes you look very bad.

[FXR]

Got it. The belts were initial roughs in quads, not finished products converted to tris. The ones used for the model pics were smoothed by the program. Apparently these are your crafting. Your models are OK, btw.

[MasterBigAb]

Got it. The belts were initial roughs in quads, not finished products converted to tris. The ones used for the model pics were smoothed by the program. Apparently these are your crafting. Your models are OK, btw.

His models are way better than anyones elses of the TWC and or CA

[Commander Ruunu]

Nvm..

I don't want to offend anyone, but FXR should check his facts thrice.

and why am I not credited for invention of electricity?

[jản]

Apparently these are your crafting. Your models are OK, btw.

well yeah - they are okay.

[Hross]

No, I beg to differ, there are ways to respond to criticism and by using excessive language that is clearly posted in anger is exactly the kind of things that drag this community down. Immature, hostile and overly emotional posting whether based on an entitled argument or not is hardly the attitude that you'd want to condone in a citizen.

[IrishBlood]

your maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

[Jean=A=Luc]

No one edited your post but you. At least the one in this thread.

[Gigantus]

Time for a reminder again: if you have concerns about the origin of things, open a new thread about it or report it - don't hijack this thread.

In case you have forgotten the title, here it is again: --- Preview of Eriador & Arnor ---

So please stick to it!!

Interesting how my text was re-edited.

This is the only post of yours that has been edited - 5 times by yourself according to the edit history. Please be sure of your facts before you accuse someone of tempering.