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[iconoclast]

some pictures taken at the exhibition of the k.u.k. Infanterieregiment "Erzherzog Rainer" Nr.59 - sorry for the bad quality!

(Salzburg, Austria)

[PunitorMaximus]

cool pictures! one question: is this the k.u.k. regular jäger uniform? if yes i have to rework the colour of my jaegers
if this regiment had its own uniform i´ll think about adding it to my mod(not TGW, TWTEAW for Empire)

[iconoclast]

cool pictures! one question: is this the k.u.k. regular jäger uniform? if yes i have to rework the colour of my jaegers
if this regiment had its own uniform i´ll think about adding it to my mod(not TGW, TWTEAW for Empire)

i asked myself the same question yesterday. sadly, i don´t know if the regiment had a unique uniform.

i found a LOT of information on this website: http://www.rainerregiment.at/
it´s in german only, but it seems that you´re austrian too - so it shouldn´t be a problem

yeah, the regiment definitely deserves a place in TWTEAW

[PunitorMaximus]

so i´ll add it

anfangs hab ich ja geglaubt die KK armee war gänzlich mit denselben uniformen ausgerüstet, aber jetzt is Österreich-Ungarn eine der fraktionen mit den meisten einheiten
i welcome the rainer regiment strongly, cuz the austrians have no real elite units at the moment!

EDIT: saw that it was a salzburg-upper-austrian regiment! Upper austria FTW

[iconoclast]

anfangs hab ich ja geglaubt die KK armee war gänzlich mit denselben uniformen ausgerüstet, aber jetzt is Österreich-Ungarn eine der fraktionen mit den meisten einheiten

das ist auch das, was wikipedia mir weismachen will

EDIT: saw that it was a salzburg-upper-austrian regiment! Upper austria FTW

well i guess you´re from salzburg or oberösterreich i live further south from there


the 59st was formed in the 17th century, so it has a long tradition and some sort of.. elite status. it also seems to be one of the few regiments on the italian front which remained organised in the last days of war

[PunitorMaximus]

well i guess you´re from salzburg or oberösterreich i live further south from there

a käantna oda?

the 59st was formed in the 17th century, so it has a long tradition and some sort of.. elite status. it also seems to be one of the few regiments on the italian front which remained organised in the last days of war

how many where they in 1914? and how good skills did they actually have?
i dont think they wore the regular jäger bzw gebirgsjaeger/alpenkorps uniform, as i noticed they had grey throusers. while the tyrolean and carinthian gebirgsschützen(oder so) had their uniform completely dyed in bright shades of jägergrün. like this feldkappe.

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BTW: texture done

[don_Durandal]

PunitorMaximus, I'm not sure what you mean. Feldjägers did not have a different colour for their uniforms anymore since the 1908 reform. In 1914 they wore Hechtgrau (pike-grey) like the rest of the army. Actually, Feldjägers wore Hechtgrau before 1908 already; they never had a green uniform.
The only units of the Austro-Hungarian army which did not wear Hechtgrau in 1914 were the cavalry (which kept their gaudy blue and red uniforms until the end of 1915) and the Landsturm (which were equipped with the obsolete 1866 dark blue uniform, or sometimes just an armband over their civilian clothes).

Hechtgrau was gradually replaced by Feldgrün in the whole army since 1915; that was an army reform and not limited to Feldjägers. At no point in the war did Feldjägers have a different uniform colour.
The only Jägers who had a different uniform colour were those of the German Empire; they wore Graugrün instead of Feldgrau (except Bavarian Jägers who wore Feldgrau like the rest of the army). And no, "mouse-grey" was never used in the German army.

Also Feldjägers did not have a different uniform (besides a horn badge and green collar patches). The uniform was nationality-dependent. Landesschützen/Kaiserschützen (there were no Gebirgschützen in the Austro-Hungarian army) had a different uniform because they belonged to the mountain troops of the Austrian Landwehr (breeches, long woollen socks and a flat collar). However Feldjägers and Kaiserjägers were part of the common army and as such wore common army uniforms (straight trousers and gaiters).


There's plenty of elite infantry units in the K.u.K, K.K. and K.U. armies already: Kaiserjägers, Landesschützen/Kaiserschützen, Bosnian infantry and Feldjägers, Stosstrupps, etc..
Well if you want "named" units I'd suggest going for the Infanterie-Regiment Hoch- und Deutschmeister Nr. 4.


Note that the cap you showed in your post is a late-war version in Feldgrün. Look at the badge: it's says K for "Karl" instead of FJI for "Franz Joseph I."; Karl became Emperor upon Franz Joseph's death in 1916.

[PunitorMaximus]

all my knowledge is of ospreys men at arms book "the austrian army 1914-1916"

tyrolean standschützen and kärntner freiwillige schützen: grey uniform, half green badges, part of the landwehr.
landwehr: hechtgrau OR grey uniform, half green collars
sappers: hechtgrau jacket, black throusers and collars
türkeiregiment: regular austrian uniform.....completely sand-coloured
polish legion, ulans: grey uniform, half red collars, that strange polish hat with thin horizintal red stripe
ukrainian legion: grey uniform, half blue collar
austrian feldgendarm: grey uniform, pickelhaube-like helmet, red collar insignia
hungarian gendarm: grey jacket, black throusers, black hungarian gendarme hat
old fashioned traditional ulanen, gendarmen, dragoner and husaren were relatively very colourfull.
in 1914 the austrian army was FAR away from being completely hechtgrau

but im thinkin about making the feldjäger hechtgrau with green badges and the gebirgsjäger grey with green badges.
its difficult to standardize the gebirgs- and feldjäger, cuz the were often used as both and consisted mainly of men of the same regions with their very own decorations.

the rainer regiment did obviously have kinda irish-green jackets, grey throusers and a partially red(for veterans or officers with chevrons) collar.

Note that the cap you showed in your post is a late-war version in Feldgrün. Look at the badge: it's says K for "Karl" instead of FJI for "Franz Joseph I."; Karl became Emperor upon Franz Joseph's death in 1916.

so in late period the whole austrian army should wear felgrüne uniforms? the austrian infantry in the gebirgskrieg wore hechtgrau uniforms afaik......


EDIT: the austrian army introduced feldgraue and feldgrüne uniforms already in 1915 cuz the hechtgrau wasnt perfect for the galician mountains.
also the regiments wanted to be individual.
this might be the reason for the feldgrau uniforms of the ukrainian legion who fought mainly in romania and serbia.
the landwehr, including freiwillige schützen, landesschützen and standschützen had grey uniforms since 1914 for some reason.....maybe they dyed them themselves or they were introduced because of the better camouflage in the austrian mountains. but the soldiers knocked out this effect by decorating their uniforms with feathers, bobbles, insignias and other individual or regiment-individual stuff.

[don_Durandal]

Yeah, I have that book too. And unfortunately you only looked at the pretty pictures without reading the descriptions that come with it.
Not that I'm surprised. Most people directly jump at the pictures I post and completely ignore whatever I write, even if it's a detailed explanation and disclaimer on how to properly use the pictures as reference.

The "grey" uniforms in the Osprey illustration is Feldgrün, as introduced in 1915. All those units wore Hechtgrau in 1914. (note that despite the name, Feldgrün is pretty much Feldgrau; the Austrians just didn't want to use the same designation as the Germans).
The introduction of Feldgrün was gradual. No army in history ever fully changed an uniform overnight. Hechtgrau and Feldgrün were used alongside for as long as stocks of older uniforms remained. Austria-Hungary's limited industrial capacity made manufacturing of new uniforms a long and inaccurate process (Feldgrün covered a wide array of shades, from grey to brow and green).

When I said that the army was universally in Hechtgrau in 1914, except for the cavalry and Landsturm, I meant it. No, there were no exceptions. You should pay particular attention to the dates mentioned in the illustration. A soldier in 1915 is not representative of a soldier of 1914.
And note that I'm not actually basing myself on the Osprey books, but on "Des Kaisers Rock" by Stefan Rest, which is the indisputable bible when it comes to WW1 Austro-Hungarian uniforms.

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Tyrolian Standschützen and Kärntner Freiwillige Schützen: they are wearing 1915 Feldgrün uniforms. The green collar tabs indicate units of the Austrian Landwehr. They received those uniforms in autumn 1915. Before that they were wearing civilian clothes with yellow and black brassards.
Landwehr (IR No.4): bad example. The Landwehr infantry regiment No.4 was one of two infantry regiments which were part of the mountain troops (alongside the four Landesschützen/Kaiserschützen regiments), so he's wearing specific mountain uniform and not the generic Landwehr uniform. In this specific case it's the 1907 Hechtgrau uniform for mountain troops
Landwehr (IR No.23): good example of a mid-war Landwehr soldier. He's wearing the 1915 Feldgrün uniform, with the green collar patches and high woollen socks + Kniehosen of the Landwehr.
Sapper: good example of a mixed uniform, with Hechtgrau Bluse and Feldgrün trousers (those are not black, it's just the illustration being too dark). The important detail here is the boots, as Sappers and Pioniers were the only Austro-Hungarian units on foot to have such jackboots.
Turkish Front: that's the khaki tropical uniform worn in Mesopotamia by Austro-Hungarian units detached to the Ottoman Empire. It was not a regiment by the way, but two heavy artillery batteries and one mountain artillery division.
Polish legion: 1 and 2 are wearing the new Feldgrün uniform (since they depict soldiers in 1915), while 3 is still wearing the Hechtgrau 1908 uniform (since it depicts a soldier in 1914).
Ukrainian legion: the light-blue collar patch is the important detail here, as it's the distinction of Ukrainian units. Otherwise he's just wearing the standard 1915 Feldgrün uniform introduced in Ukrainian units in 1916.
Austrian Feldgendarm: Feldgrün uniform introduced in 1915. The cork helmet would later be replaced with the common Feldkappe.
Hungarian mounted Gendarmerie: Hungarian gendarmes wore a felt hat, unlike the Cork helmet of Austrian gendarmes. In this illustration he's wearing a 1915 Feldgrün uniform ( the trousers are also Feldgrün, not black; it's just the illustration being dark... hence the importance of reading the text!)
Ulanen, Dragoner and Husaren: as I mentioned in my previous post, the cavalry retained its colourful uniforms until late 1915 (against 1908 regulations!)


Well you probably already know this, but unlike in Germany and Switzerland, the Austrian Landwehr was not a second line reserve!
k.k. Landwehr is simply the designation of the Austrian army, as opposed to the common army (k.u.k. Heer) and the Hungarian army (k.u. Honvéd).

There were no "Gebirgsjäger" in the Austro-Hungarian army. The mountain troops were the "Landesschützen", renamed "Kaiserschützen" in january 1917.
Kaiserjägers and Feldjägers were light infantry, but not mountain troops.

<...>the rainer regiment did obviously have kinda irish-green jackets, grey throusers and a partially red(for veterans or officers with chevrons) collar.
<..>

They don't. That's Feldgrün (one of the innumerable variation of that shade) or possibly even uniforms made from captured griogo-verde, as the Austro-Hungarians had extreme difficulties producing enough wool for their uniforms. The model is just badly lighted, which makes the uniform appear darker than it really is in the photo.

<...>so in late period the whole austrian army should wear felgrüne uniforms? the austrian infantry in the gebirgskrieg wore hechtgrau uniforms afaik......<...>

They were issued Feldgrün uniforms at the same time as other troops. I have plenty of examples of k.k. Gebirgstruppen wearing Feldgrün in 1916-1918.

<...>the landwehr, including freiwillige schützen, landesschützen and standschützen had grey uniforms since 1914 for some reason.....maybe they dyed them themselves or they were introduced because of the better camouflage in the austrian mountains. <...>

They didn't. No unit wore Feldgrün before autumn 1915.
Freiwillige Schützen didn't even have uniforms until late 1915. The army was already struggling to equip the Landsturm (which often served as frontline units in their obsolete dark blue uniforms), so they had little left to issue volunteers. The overwhelming majority of Freiwillige Schützen (including Tyrolian Standschützen) wore civilian garbs, with only an armband in national colours to distinguish their military status.

Newly raised units received Feldgrün uniforms first, as older units generally had sufficient replacement Hechtgrau uniforms in their stores.

[PunitorMaximus]

i see
so what would be the best solution? retexturing all units is no use.
i think the best would be to make all units hechtgrau and the late infantry with stahlhelm feldgrün.

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k.u.k infantry: hechtgrau woolen socks, feldkappe
k.u. infantry: hechtgrau, hungarian throusers
late infantry: feldgrün, stahlhelm, standardized for the whole empire.
Landwehr: hechtgrau uniform with woollen socks.
Sapper: hechtgrau uniform, jackboots, well, but what about the black collar?
Turkish Front: i know that they were just artillery support for the ottomans, but my "türkei-regiment" is kinda what-if unit. it will be available when a indian, near eastern or north african is conquered. maybe i should rename them to "kolonialtruppen" or sth like that
Polish legion: so i´ll make the ulans hechtgrau too. like the infantry.
Ukrainian legion: hechtgrau with light blue badges
Austrian Feldgendarm: hechtgrau with cork helmet. not available in late period. replaced by feldkappe wearing feldgrün dragoons in 1916
Hungarian mounted Gendarmerie: same like austrian gendarmes
Ulanen, Dragoner and Husaren: they´re done. red-blue uniforms and weird helmets

Well you probably already know this, but unlike in Germany and Switzerland, the Austrian Landwehr was not a second line reserve!
k.k. Landwehr is simply the designation of the Austrian army, as opposed to the common army (k.u.k. Heer) and the Hungarian army (k.u. Honvéd).

conscript and volunteers of the joint army to express it simple right?

There were no "Gebirgsjäger" in the Austro-Hungarian army. The mountain troops were the "Landesschützen", renamed "Kaiserschützen" in january 1917.
Kaiserjägers and Feldjägers were light infantry, but not mountain troops.

for TWTEAW:
gebirgsjäger renamed into landesschützen: hechtgrau, green collar
feldjäger: feldgrau, also feldgrau badges.

[Aanker]

I think until we go nation-specific the best way to go is to have formations that had the same uniforms on paper (i.e. German feldgrau for which there was still some variation if I recall correctly, going from slate grey to near-brown... Of course a situation complicated by the accumulation of dirt on the cloth) also have the same uniform colour in-game.

Once we have a solid atlas for every nation, we could introduce more variety within the faction. It should be noted that in N:TW in particular, colour maps are a particularly valuable tool that saves time and atlas space.

[Whukid]

Kind've off topic, but how do you guys like this?

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Tiger C24 of 10./ Panzer Regiment "GrossDeutschland" was destroyed by enemy fire along with the Battalion commander's tank outside of a town in Ukraine on August 9th, 1944

[Highlander_23]

Damn that's pretty good. That's a nice action scene. If I may have one recommendation could you possibly do some Pacific theatre stuff with marines, and Japanese banzai attacks? I love your art and I would think that would be an awesome addition to your style. Cheers

[Frontiergame]

Kind've off topic, but how do you guys like this?

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Tiger C24 of 10./ Panzer Regiment "GrossDeutschland" was destroyed by enemy fire along with the Battalion commander's tank outside of a town in Ukraine on August 9th, 1944

Looks amazing, I've always loved your drawings.

[Whukid]

Thanks guys! I've always focused on the European theatre alittle more because it has more tanks and less people (I hate drawing people ). I try my best to hide their awful figure with equipment and uniforms. I can certainly work on a Pacific piece though.

Just to do a little comparison, This one was done on September 8th, 2011

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[PunitorMaximus]

the proportions of the people are now much better.
and the tanks are beautiful, perspective and all!

[Jokern]

Nice drawing, Whukid. Rep+ to you.

[panzerschreck]

2 little screens:

[Aanker]

Love the first one! Though you might want to change the weapon for the French there (the vanilla muskets don't really work now that the texture has been modified ).

[General Dan]

Quick question! Will there be new unit cards or will they be using the same as the older versions?