No Vikings

[Marshy]

What would the world be like if the Vikings never built longboats and raided Europe?

[Ishoss]

Not much different in the west I suppose. For example in England I suppose the kingdoms would be fighting each other rather than eventually uniting.. Come to think of it that would be a quite large difference.

There would still be wars I guess but maybe the threats would be much more internal rather than external.

[Salem1]

The most significant event I can think of is that Kievan Rus might not have been founded.

[Erebus Pasha]

Not much different in the west I suppose. For example in England I suppose the kingdoms would be fighting each other rather than eventually uniting.. Come to think of it that would be a quite large difference.

There would still be wars I guess but maybe the threats would be much more internal rather than external.

Maybe also we can say no Vikings = No Normans which means there wouldn't have been a Battle of Hastings.

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

The Byzantines would have been able to regroup and reconquer more of their territory, and might have even survived longer as a civilization.
No Hastings
No Kievan Rus
All I can think of

[Salem1]

Maybe also we can say no Vikings = No Normans which means there wouldn't have been a Battle of Hastings.

No saxons either, unless you're strictly refering to Scandinavians only.
Oh, and Dublin would never have been founded.

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

The saxons were years before the vikings, and weren't tied to them at all. The Anglo-Saxons came from denmark and Belgium, not norway

[Ishoss]

Plenty of Vikings were from Jutland in Denmark. But I think the people there were called Jutes...

[Ishoss]

Maybe also we can say no Vikings = No Normans which means there wouldn't have been a Battle of Hastings.

Or a Norman-Sicilian reconquest of Southern Italy... But I suppose some other Christian warrior-adventurers would have done it instead.

Some other French noble would eventually have invaded Britain too I suppose.

[Kjertesvein]

Colombus and Co would be the first Europeans to reach Americas.
Less fortifications on Abbys along the coasts.
Isle of Mann would remind barbarious, and many castles would not be created for a long time.
Iceland and Greenland would not be discovered and perhaps populated well into the Renaissance.
No norse influence and population move on England, Scotland, Ireland, Shetland, Inner Hebries and out Hebries. Perhaps peace, because the social enviorment is basic without another unpredictable forign influence. Perhaps they would turn out as pussys, who knows.
Norway would not reach it's peak between the 8th century and 1350s, and would only be a scrap of mountain in the north, populated by a few barbarians, woodsmen and hunters well into the late middle ages. No profitable coastal citys in Norway, except perhaps outer Viken area of south of Oslo in the Renaissance, supported by Hansea.
No Varangian Guard (Emperors guard or mercinary) in Miklagaard.
No Norwegian assistance in the First Crusade.
The Viking Age would be a very boring Age.

~Wille

[Ishoss]

Colombus and Co would be the first Europeans to reach Americas.
Less fortifications on Abbys along the coasts.
Isle of Mann would remind barbarious, and many castles would not be created for a long time.
Iceland and Greenland would not be discovered and perhaps populated well into the Renaissance.
No norse influence and population move on England, Scotland, Ireland, Shetland, Inner Hebries and out Hebries. Perhaps peace, because the social enviorment is basic without another unpredictable forign influence. Perhaps they would turn out as pussys, who knows.
Norway would not reach it's peak between the 8th century and 1350s, and would only be a scrap of mountain in the north, populated by a few barbarians, woodsmen and hunters well into the late middle ages. No profitable coastal citys in Norway, except perhaps outer Viken area of south of Oslo in the Renaissance, supported by Hansea.
No Varangian Guard (Emperors guard or mercinary) in Miklagaard.
No Norwegian assistance in the First Crusade.
The Viking Age would be a very boring Age.

~Wille

Viken, Oslo, Bjørgvin and Nidaros would still be rich.

Greenland would probably never be truely settled since it was warmer when the Vikings settled it.

[Marshy]

I mean Scandinavian Vikings. Just to clear it up.

[Hopit]

I mean Scandinavian Vikings. Just to clear it up.

its the same thing still...

[Tiberios]

Well, for one thing my country's history would probably have been more dull.


Other than that, English history would have been a bit different without the Viking and later Normans.

[Hopit]

Well, for one thing my country's history would probably have been more dull.


Other than that, English history would have been a bit different without the Viking and later Normans.

----> even smaller gene pool

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

We'd be speaking some sort of latin-welshish language in america

[Harðurāðaz]

- No Novgorod/Kievan Rus'
- No Normans
- No Varangian Guard
- Iceland still settled by Irish monks
- No Scandinavian settlements in the Isles and the Continent
- No Scandinavian/French loanwords in the English language
- The Scandianvians would remain pagan in middle ages

All I can think of

[hellheaven1987]

Carolingian Empire would not collapse, or may be survive longer in term. The result would be Church could not fully expand its influence, hence no crazy stuff like Crusade would be developed.

[Manco]

Carolingian Empire hardly collapsed due to Viking raids or pressure. It didn't collapse at all, really, it just devolved with all the partitions because of the Salic law.

[0N3]

Since this is a history thread and i'm bored i would like to point out that the vikings never (usually) actually did build their ships themselves.