Public Research - Medieval Balkan Coat of Arms

[matija191]

OMG I can read this "yugoslavian brotherhood" bulschit you write about, we are not brothers, we are not even cousins, I know all my cousins, and none of them is here on TWC
its tolerance what we should go for, not some non-existing brotherhood, we can tolerate each other, we can even be friends, but brothers? nah, we are not brothers...

we are comrades...mi smo drugovi

šalim se malo, nemojte mi zamjeriti

[phoenix[illusion]]

OMG I can read this "yugoslavian brotherhood" bulschit you write about, we are not brothers, we are not even cousins, I know all my cousins, and none of them is here on TWC
its tolerance what we should go for, not some non-existing brotherhood, we can tolerate each other, we can even be friends, but brothers? nah, we are not brothers...

well, in fact, in history it was always brotherhood between serbs and croats, from the middle ages. read more biographies of noble men in croatia or serbs. not only then, but later, in 17th, 18th, 19th century, serbs and croats cooperated for their country. ideas from 19th century made yugoslavia, but modern history torn us apart, things like ante pavelic's NDH, and later bosnian war made that brotherhood ideology disappear

[Hrobatos]

if we were so friendly till the WWII and why the hell did our ancesters suddenly went berser and started exterminanting each other?

what about killing Stjepan Radić, leading Croatian politician in Yugoslavian parlament? or kiling king Aleksander Karađorđević in Marseille? that was all before WW II

[slavic_crusader]

Its the Ustasa! The facist boys. And the Macedonian nationalist group
And i dont litterally mean as brother. But ur telling me Serbs and Croats are completly two different peoples....
I also wonder is Russia our mother state? even though its ukraine today, but they are russians.

And hows yugoslav thing bullchit?

[Hrobatos]

simply, we tried it
twice
and it failed
twice


thirt attempt is really not needed

[gogo t]

no need for Yugoslavia... EU is coming
Btw someone said that Bulgaria should be in Yugo republic, but you should all know that Bulgaria has it's own way... i mean it's not possible. I've been in serbia and is quite different from Bulgaria... The language is close but I still was barely able to communicate with the serbians... The lifestyle is other...

[slavic_crusader]

I dont know if u can see it, but its all poltics that destroyed it even the outsiders played apart and people were affected and suffered.
Besides man people inn "croatia" or "Serbia" are not united with eachother from region to region. Such as Slavonija, Zagreb, Dalmacija. Or for Serbia big difference between north and south. I clear example can be seen with the Italians(Even TODAY) or the Germans....
Overall people still live in the old past, more like a feudal state. Not a place where common peoples are united.

Now countries want EU hahahahahaha Yugoslavia was before them. But no they destroyed it....

Oh and for me, I like socialist/communist ideas. But nothing over radical and more freedom and defentially no totalitarianism. But personally as long there is a good system from any style of government fine by me.... Alll systems have its good and bads.. As long they are not runned by greedy corrupted basterds!

[slavic_crusader]

Gogo_T
Yeah, and so Slovenians and Macedonians are different from Serbo-Croatians but they are Yugoslavs so why not Bulgarians...? It doesnt have to be poltically... I also think Bulgaria was almost a part of Yugoslavia. But Stalin out of all people said NO....

[2Shy]

For all Balkan problems are responsible the Great Powers-they remade the borders of the balkan states as thay wanted and today all balkan comunity suffers from this ...
About Yugoslavia-I dont think anyone should put people that fought for their own country for so long (croats) under new "master" ...Plus the history thought us that orthodox and muslim cant live peacefully on balkan soil (may be in spain in time of Al Andalus - La Convivencia ).

[2Shy]

slavic crusader I know that your parent are serbo-croat but I dont think that you fully inderstand Yugoslavia-you think that Yugoslavia was some idilialistic place but it was not-there were 4 different nations "stucked" in one country.If you have brother you may easyerly understand it.And the bulgarians didnt want to be part of Yugoslavia,but like all things from that period-Moscow decide what was for the best ...

[slavic_crusader]

Well what people need in the balkans is a proper education not bullchit nationalist crap.... I see it all the time. More then half dont even know what it is(Ustasa in particular) They say they are Ustasa and do the Nazi crap, but then they may do the opposite, be friends with a Serb lol.... Seroiusly its there... All the parents like dont talk or socilaise with serbs and vice versa.... Whole thing is stupid... Sometimes there are fights from the real uneducated ones.... AND this is in Australia! a multicultural place a, western country. Funny how people think....

[slavic_crusader]

I have a brother and sister, to tell u the truth.... I dont like him at all but i respect him.. He is still my brother
he doesnt even look at himself as either serb or croat, But Australian..... :S

I guess thats how we are....

And Stalin and Tito were not the best of freinds. Besides i dont think by this stage WWII bulgaria had a choice of being part of the Soviet Empire or Yugoslavia...

[phoenix[illusion]]

One thing about balkan that i hate is that we can't talk with normal sense, and we just come to the case who did what to whom, and who killed who and that stuff. mates, what happen, happen. they should stay as facts., not thing for payback. i didn't say that ustase were only one guilty, but in fact, they just worsted situation. absolutely that partisans killed their civilians, it's a fact, the only way for them to become number one party.

if we were so friendly till the WWII and why the hell did our ancesters suddenly went berser and started exterminanting each other?

what about killing Stjepan Radić, leading Croatian politician in Yugoslavian parlament? or kiling king Aleksander Karađorđević in Marseille? that was all before WW II

well, yes, there are things before, but you can always find someone who is against any government. so it was just a small group, not even equal to those in later 20th century. but it was the root of the beginnings, before that, there are no such cases (there are some in 19th century, but that's the only thing). probably the whole situation as enemies came by sense of nations (europeans revolutions).

no need for Yugoslavia... EU is coming
Btw someone said that Bulgaria should be in Yugo republic, but you should all know that Bulgaria has it's own way... i mean it's not possible. I've been in serbia and is quite different from Bulgaria... The language is close but I still was barely able to communicate with the serbians... The lifestyle is other...

eu is democratic schit. i can't even think about some turk coming to serbia, and proclaiming himself as serb. it happens in germany, holland, france etc. many turks came there, and yet, they are listed as germans, but they are not, they don't even have any connections with real germany. one turkish girl in holland said: I'm a dutch, cause i'm born here. Hello there girl? First, your parents came there, second you are different religion, and culture. you can't just take ethnic calling as living in that state, and that what happens in eu. i don't like it, i'm not having anything against turks, but how would turks feel if there are christians in their country.

simply, we tried it
twice
and it failed
twice


thirt attempt is really not needed

well, in fact i agree, but with kids having that hostile thoughts, there are no bright future for balkan states. but confederation is a bit different, and i think, it's the only way to save all those balkan states, cause soon they'll disappear.

and one thing, serbia was always hostile with bulgaria, even in20th century, but we forgot things, and we didn't quite put that question as topic, and now, all that nemesis thing between serbia and bulgaria is totally forgotten. that should be the same for croatia and serbia.

[dabela]

thank you for deleting all of the crap we posted...

[phoenix[illusion]]

things are that yugoslavia was something like unity of italia to italians. though there are some differences between south and north italians, they were united. but that's cause their religion was the same. in balkans, there are too many religions, and religion is the thing that separates us one from another. yugoslavia also didn't work out cause that communism was not the real one. i like communism, but the real one, which doesn't excist cause of humans' greed.
and i can say that matko is one of the most reasonable persons on twc. i like that he sees all as facts, and respects other, he has great posts etc. he is one reasonable balkan guy, and we should all be like him. think, he is a croat, and yet, he likes all balkan history, not only his own (probably he likes croatian the most, but he is not ultra nationalistic like some people).

[gogo t]

I don't like EU... but thats what the future brings... Uniting people should make the life easyer and the (global) problems easyer to be resolved. EU is as I see it a structure bult on the base of the capitalism and democracy, just like USSR \СССР\ was built on the comunism. When the capitalism die, then EU will fall apart... Then people will invent new system better then capitalism and will try to unite on it's base...It's natural.

[phoenix[illusion]]

I don't like EU... but thats what the future brings... Uniting people should make the life easyer and the (global) problems easyer to be resolved. EU is as I see it a structure bult on the base of the capitalism and democracy, just like USSR \СССР\ was built on the comunism. When the capitalism die, then EU will fall apart... Then people will invent new system better then capitalism and will try to unite on it's base...It's natural.

i like your thoughts, rep+
but i think that we shouldn't be the one who just wait for the new system, but the one who make new system. capitalism wlii fall, in next 100 years, cause it can't stay, too many differences in social hierarchy, where some are mighty rich, but many poor. if i have to choose, i choose not to be part of it, i don't need something which is good for my present, but bad for my future. and many people just think of now, not of the future of their nation

[Hunyadi Mátyás]

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[dabela]

i like your thoughts, rep+
but i think that we shouldn't be the one who just wait for the new system, but the one who make new system. capitalism wlii fall, in next 100 years, cause it can't stay, too many differences in social hierarchy, where some are mighty rich, but many poor. if i have to choose, i choose not to be part of it, i don't need something which is good for my present, but bad for my future. and many people just think of now, not of the future of their nation

well, i think that comunism isnt the best solution, but it is way better than capitalism... that is why i dont like the fact that yugoslavia is gone... now we have american firms and companies instead of ours where people work for 200 euros a month (which obviously isnt enough)... and the sad thing is, they have to work for 200 euros, they dont have a choice... That is why i would chose comunism over capitalism any time...

[dabela]

but enough about that... lets talk progress