Crusader Kings 2

[Musthavename]

Paradox have officially announced Crusader Kings 2. Visit the Paradox forums for more info and use this thread to discuss the game. The first two pages of this thread are entirely speculation prior to the official announcement.


Original OP:

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Official post on the Paradox forums.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...1#post11267836

I'm almost tempted to join Facebook just to put my name down. Then again, I seriously doubt they'll get 25,000 people.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Oh oh o, I hate facebook but I kinda do want a CK2.
What to do, what to do.

[Maximinus Thrax]

CK2 could already be in alpha/beta stage. There are plenty of petitions threads demanding for a sequel meaning the developers are well aware that this game is highly anticipated.

[MehemtAli_Pasha]

25,000?!!

this is either a joke, or another way of saying "Crusader King 2 is far from possible". hopefully, it's a joke. Paradox page on facebook has only 2,500 fans after.

i dont have Crusader King but i will take part in the petition any way. since Victoria's sequel is proving to be huge success, and after Federik's head is now nice and bold, CK2 is very much expected to announced soon.

[Maximinus Thrax]

The Facebook is not an issue anymore, the fans can express their support in that thread as well. So hurry up people...

[Kanaric]

crusader kings needs kind of a fairly big difference in a sequel for me to like it. I liked CK1 but I think they should do something new.

Said there that I want a sequel.

[Omar Nelson B.]

I would like to see Feudal Japan/Asia

[Maximinus Thrax]

crusader kings needs kind of a fairly big difference in a sequel for me to like it. I liked CK1 but I think they should do something new.

A user compiled some ideas in the wishlist thread over at Paradox. It would be ideal if the devs would put into practice at least some of these requests.

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____PERSONAL AND COURT LEVEL

__Characters

More traits
Notes section (very useful for AARs)
Roman numericals for Kings
Name your children
More faces
Graphical family trees (ala Total War)
Inheritance of prestige and piety
Soubriquet/nicknames ala EU3 (at the dead of the ruler depending on what he/she did)
Courtiers having some job and able to marry (ala EU:R)
Keep protraits
Medieval tournaments
Ambitions (splited short/long term/hidden)
More interactions between courtiers in different courts
Relationship values between characters (wow, poor CPU...)
AI behaviour tied to ruler traits
Courtiers can be seduced by other courts
Twins
Bastards more ambitious and when no natural heir should inherit
Notable members of your court can find a spouse/husband, not just heirs and royal family (like EU:R)
Non-Christian names tied to religion, surnames to culture; when naming father culture prevails
Peasant courtiers (specially in republics)
Civic titles (ala plaebeian aedile)

__Dinasty/liege/titles

Ability to play the multiple kingdoms af the same liege (France-Normandy-England situation)
Ability to play properly and get fun with bishoprics, republics and knight orders playability
Ability to play with different lieges for different feuds
Tie lands to liege to allow multiple lieges
More rank tiers than King-Duke-Count...
Regencies (interregnum when a minor inherits)
Manual heir appointment (with power approval from the factic powers of your court)
Manual heir disappointment
Title appointment (for regional minor titles f.i.)
Abdication option
Emperors can have Kings as vassals
In the Christian world, keep the two Roman Emperors dynamic (if England wants to be an Empire, take it from the German hands and so)
Ability to offer titles to characters not of your liege
Dynamic Coats of Arms (and/or CoA editor)
More flavour titles (depending on the region/culture; Princes, Grand Dukes, Margraves, Earls...)
Marquis/Barons/Viscounts in (even if they have no demesne)
Honorary titles appointment (ala EU:R, but nobiliary titles), some may be nonhereditary
Name your vassals
Ability to "Knight" or "Sir" people
Ability to vassal someone of the same tier rank (King-King f.i.)
Different titles bear different prestige/points (King of Navarra must not have the same respect like King of France)
Surname/dynastic merging if last ancestors of a family get married

__Court

EU:Rome court options (exile, imprison [+ ransom dynamic], execution)
More in-game options and roles for marshalls/spy masters/chancellors/stewards/bishops...
Employed courtiers may decide to retire (by force or by age/illness) without having to die
Jewish courtiers in countries with historical jewish presence
More depth intrigues/espionage


____PROVINCE LEVEL

__Provinces

Multiple kingdoms/duchies on one province (so province can be part of more than one Kingdom)
Province population (so taxes and such based on)
Province goods and resources
"Imperial province" status to solve the Bizantyne meltdown too fast
More cultures
Better culture conversion system (maybe with percentages like religion)
Trade leagues (ala EU3 HTTT) and/or trade routes
Provincial desicions
Provincial fiefdoms (ruled by knights, ala EU3 Magna Mundi Sengoku system and/or a GUI for this
More people classes

__Religion

More religions (better separation Sunni/Shia, Monophysites, Nestorians, Jewish, various types of pagans...)
Better interaction and diplo options between religions
Percentual province religions (for a better convertion dynamic)
Diverse religious buildings available at the same province at the same time
Heresy system (Cathars)
Each catholic province have a bishop and you can see each ones' piety and loyalty (enters into dynamic of a better holy see control)
Sects (both secret and public) organizations, that if strong enough can lead to heresies and then into full religions
Interreligious marriage under certain conditions (like forced peace treaties f.i.)
Muslim sharia law
Different flavour religious laws ala EU3 Magna Mundi Platinum
More than one wife in certain religions
Ruler lovers/concubines, even official ones (it did happen historically)

____COUNTRY LEVEL

__Diplomacy

Victoria/EU-like negotiations
Press claims on behalf of your courtiers
Ability to control military orders
Sphere of Influence system (ala EU3 HTTT and Vicky 2)
Colonization dynamics
Ability to make a vassal stop a war
Delay all diplomatic decisions some days for a better representation of the period
Force vassalization
Client states system
Republics can have governors
Political system for republics ala EU:R
Alliances between Lords and Vassals are not allowed: the only tie is simply the feudal one
More stable alliances or at least a warning when your ally turns disloyal to you
Badboy
White peaces

__Laws

Cognatic succesion law, even various types of it
Restricted elective law that separates the ruler's demesne from the royal demesne
Inheritance law tied to titles, instead of the same for all the demesne
Bizantine Imperial Bureaucracy (no penalty to prestige of the liege for every vassal breaking free so the empire can hold longer)
More laws, either religious and political
Females can inherit under certain conditions
Vassal laws, like f.i. to choose between for-life vassals/ vassals must be reconfirmed after X period

__Revolts

Revolts (rebels with a cause system)
Civil wars, pretenders
Revolts ala EU:R (with loyal in-game armies joining a revolter character f.i.)
Ability to foreign-sponsor rebels

__Papacy

College of cardinals, ability to appoint cardinals
Divorce permission dynamics
Better crusading
Orthodox patriarch
Crusades against heretics
Heretics splitting religions
When calling on a crusade, the Pope and the Catholic Orders provide the naval transports

__Holy Roman Empire

EU3 HTTT system (with Imperial authority and such)
Simulate the Bizantine empire (so Eastern Roman Empire vs Western) in a similar manner


____GAMEPLAY

__Scenarios

GC from 1000 to 1492 (aproximatte of timeframe wishes)
Play with muslims and pagans (with the same improvements and game options than catolics)
Play with republics, bishoprics, orders and tribes (with the same game options than kingdoms or at least a similar enjoyment ala EU:R)
Scenario start date for each Crusade

__Ledger

Bridefinder
Alert system tracking for chosen characters' life and events
Loyalty tracker

__Map & GFX

More provinces, bigger map (ranging ideas from the current map is ok to cover all the world)
North Africa including the Horn of Africa (and african cultures and rulers)
Melanodermic/xanthodermic/leucodermic/mixed characters and artwork
Revolt risk mapmode
Persia, India
Different shields for each rank
No 3D... 2D! No, better make it 3D... well, we are not sure but I'm afraid that Clausewitz will be the chosen option anyway...
Courtiers with realm jobs should appear in a different way that normal courtiers (easier to see and control)
Culture map mode

__War & Battles

Naval warfare with fleets
Pay armies each 60 days but increase their costs
Option to station troops to a fort
Better army production (ability to recruit standing armies), movement and placement
Mercenary system (with abandoned mercenaries being able to settle down and have a tag, like the Catalan Company)
Military access and/or do not allow acces
Terrain have more effect
Possibility to choose various strategies of battle/siege depending on characters, terrain, armies...
AI dones't declare war to far away and/or unreachable realms (and have similar things in count regarding far away alliances, SoI, etc...)
Option to choose comanders for each army, ruler doesn't have to be the commander if you choose so (or if it's too old/ill/young)
Prevent counter-crusading and counter-attacks (when at war with someone, after the first fight both armies are besieging each others' demesne and the first who succeeds in the siege takes it all; this is a great source of blob and AI problems; maybe a reworked system involving standing armies [without the need to eliminate the CK I system, just complement it] and mercenaries can do a lot to that point)

__Trade

Some system that simulates important trade centers, not necessary like EU3 but similar
Trade routes ala EU:R but like Vicky railroads, but not necessary bidirectional
Some kinf of province economy/good with even secondary production ala Vicky

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

They really need to make this..CK is one of the best Paradox games already..even with the bugs and outdated graphics.

[Swagger]

Do you want Crusader Kings 2?

So after a year of intense petitioning on the Paradox forum for a sequel to the dynasty building, cult classic Crusader Kings, we at Paradox Interactive have launched a Facebook page summoning all gamers hoping for Crusader Kings 2 to unite and make their voices heard.

Currently at 1800+ members on Facebook and parallel petitions on the Paradox forums with 40,000+ views, the gauntlet has been thrown down. The declaration is simple: When this page has 25,000 fans, Paradox will announce Crusader Kings 2.

Join forces with us here: http://www.facebook.com/Crusaderkings
Just enter the page and press Like if you want Crusader Kings 2!

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[CDMan477]

^It's also on the front page of the Paradox website now. I guess they really do want to see what the reaction to this is before going forward with the game. Or they really do like messing with people.

[Hilarion]

I must say, 25,000 is a bit ambitious. I joined the page nonetheless.

[Dr. Oza]

DO ITT@!!!!!

[Pickle_mole]

Come on and join, ill do it and im going to create
a few fake profiles

[Pious Agnost]

From the Facebook page.

"Close to 4,000 now - I think we'll have to do something special for those who have joined so far. And I think I know just the thing."

[Edelward]

Over 5K

[Pickle_mole]

i want to win!

[McBeverage]

It would be awesome if when (if) they got their 25000 fans they gave a link out to the progress thus far.

(Because if they're making a facebook group for it and making it all public, I highly doubt that they'll be like "sorry guys we're just toying with you, we're really working on STAR WARS ATTACK OF THE BBQNINJAS WITH SWISS ARMY KNIVES AND STUFF" or something.

[Imperator of Rome]

I don't use facebook though, but I love CK. Hard decision there.

[G-Megas-Doux]

Agree with everyone else this game needs to be made. Have posted on that site to confirm my interest.