Shogun 2; Evolution or Revolution?

[Barbarian Nobility]

Its been explained previously by CA developers that TW games tend to come in evolutions and revolutions(tho i could have this back to front) meaning meaning that they come up with a concept ie. RTW which was revolutionary, then the subsequent game (M2TW) is an evolution in the original concept. Following this trend ETW would have been a revolution and NTW an evolution.

Apparently S2TW is using the same game engine as NTW, so does that make it another evolution? Or is it going to be completely different? Because whilst i enjoyed the way the game mechanics in battles worked, i wasn't particularly a fan of the campaign map layout (with stuff sprawled all over the joint) does it mean that S2TW will be the same?

[BunnyPoopCereal]

Where is the SOURCE that says it's using the same engine?

[Barbarian Nobility]

No source, i've just heard said repeatedly a number of times in this forum, warscape right?

[Swagger]

it's probably a heavy modified warscape engine


it would be quite a waste to only make 1 game using the same engine (ETW), so they recycle that engine and adapted it to Shogun

same happened with GTA games, and yet each game is a ''revolution'' under your terms


RDR uses the same engine as GTA4, but it was modified (actually it was first made for RDR) to fit in RDR settings

[King Sama]

Ok, well first of all hey decided to drop the old revolution/evolution system and to make a new constant evolution cyvle where they remake parts of the engine instead of the whole one.

Second, people need to remember that NTW was only an expansion, not a fll standalone title. Think of ETW, NTW as barbarian invasions, and STW2 as M2TW. I think the main reason for this common confusion is that 1)NTW was standalone and 2)there were mini dlc expanisons to both games as well.

So basically, S2TW is the second major game in the warscape engine, and it is likely that future TW games will also be using the engine with changes.

[Jaketh]

the warscape engine has alot of potential no need to make another

[Bella]

Definitely the "evolution" of this generation. Other than the addition of 'obstacles' in naval battles, there's really nothing new to it so far.

[Croshy]

Nothing of both, its a rip-off resulting in a money machine!

[aeoleron9]

NTW in this respect is considered an expansion, so yeah STW2 is definitely the evolution after ETW's revolution.

[Barbarian Nobility]

I always thought NTW was a stand alone game not an expansion.....its just sooo much better than ETW....

[Xerrop]

I always thought NTW was a stand alone game not an expansion.....its just sooo much better than ETW....

Well NTW is a standalone-expansion
I´m not sure but I have read various times that Shogun2 will use the warscape-engine, so it is an evolution. Only the next title in the series will probably be a revolution by using a new engine.

[MorganH.]

Imo S II will be an Evolution for sure;polished graphics and with land-sea battles opportunities combined i think

I think that an eventual Rome II will be a revolutionary chapter,i.e a new graphics engine !

[T-Duke]

Its been explained previously by CA developers that TW games tend to come in evolutions and revolutions(tho i could have this back to front) meaning meaning that they come up with a concept ie. RTW which was revolutionary, then the subsequent game (M2TW) is an evolution in the original concept. Following this trend ETW would have been a revolution and NTW an evolution.

Apparently S2TW is using the same game engine as NTW, so does that make it another evolution? Or is it going to be completely different? Because whilst i enjoyed the way the game mechanics in battles worked, i wasn't particularly a fan of the campaign map layout (with stuff sprawled all over the joint) does it mean that S2TW will be the same?

Same engine +
Same game +
new textures +
some new features +
enhanched graphic -
new bugs -
old same bugs = make your conclusion

[Lord Mandelson]

the warscape engine has alot of potential no need to make another

A small part of me just died.

[KDK]

Imo S II will be an Evolution for sure;polished graphics and with land-sea battles opportunities combined i think

I think that an eventual Rome II will be a revolutionary chapter,i.e a new graphics engine !

Lets hope so

[MeenChawitTH]

I heard CA ever say somewhere that their cycle will be

"Create->Develop->Create->Develop" in other word "Revolution and Evolution"

I am not so sure how previous titles followed this rule or not

but at least I'm sure that ETW->NTW->S2TW is following this cycle.

[garudamon11]

its an evoloution

making a whole new engine takes years , if CA made a new engine it owuld take at least til 2013 to finish shogun 2

[Achilla]

Revolution:

Working (hopefully) melee combat in vast amounts and detail, exciting and working well (hopefully) sieges, land + sea battles (hopefully), character development (this one is a taken, since we will see that in the multiplayer mode, too ... not sure if immediately after release, though).

Evolution:

Graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics ... wait, did I just say graphics? Of course I didn't mention that!

[King Sama]

Same engine +
Same game +
new textures +
some new features +
enhanched graphic -
new bugs -
old same bugs = make your conclusion

I don't get your system. same game is good but better graphics are bad?
But any ways, many old bugs are fixed already from ETW and since they are not making a new engine there won't be the same level of new ones. I don't get your point here, is this supposed to say that revolution is better than evolution? Cause Empire was revolution.

But anyways, according to CA before NTW, THEY HAVE SCRAPPED THE OLD SYSTEM, and are now doing constant evolution. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but I'll try and find a direct quote.

Revolution:

Working (hopefully) melee combat in vast amounts and detail, exciting and working well (hopefully) sieges, land + sea battles (hopefully), character development (this one is a taken, since we will see that in the multiplayer mode, too ... not sure if immediately after release, though).

Evolution:

Graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics, graphics ... wait, did I just say graphics? Of course I didn't mention that!

Well the first one sounds more like evolution and the second like a distorted view of total war games. And remeber, like I just said, empire was a revolution. And every game in the series (maybe except for MTW I wouldn't know) has impoved the graphics, and I don't see where the problem is. Call me what you want but I simply wouldn't play NTW with STW graphics(at least in battles).

[napoleonic]

does napoleon or empire actually utilize multicore CPU properly?

curious, how many total troops on a battle do you guys able to play empire/napoleon smoothly?