Puzzled by Loyalty

[Emala]

Is there a guide that discusses what causes disloyalty and what, if anything, you can do about it? I've looked and there are guides on strategy, units ect but can't find one on Loyalty. Is it just me or is it a serious problem keeping your generals loyal once your empire starts to get large and the King is far away. (I suspect it is me).

[irishron]

There is no real guide to loyalty that I know of.

Things that I have found that affect loyalty the most are faction leader's chivalry, and distance to capital. Part of them are built into traits and ancillaries, parts are hardcoded, parts are a roll of the dice.

Maybe someone more knowledgeable than me will come along and explain it better.

[REDrake]

Some traits make generals less susceptible to disloyal acts. Chivalry and dread affect it, but in a different way. It all depends on the king. If the king has high dread chivalrous generals are more disloyal.

Also the main skill affecting loyalty is your king authority. A king with weak authority invites trouble. So a king is best prepared long before he takes the crown. Use the heir to fight battles to increase his loyalty and the more famous he is, the more authority he's going to get. Take a look at my AAR for byzantines and see how I built each of my emperors one at a time.

Distance from capitol is another factor which influences loyalty. It used to be a big problem, with large maps. The long distance invites rebellious characters to become disloyal. Some generals might get loyal traits by random chance. Is usually best to rotate generals and keep some at home until they gain enough close loyalty (Has the King Eye, King's Right Hand and so on) and then move them to take the place of generals that are far away and might get disloyal. I also find that generals married within the family are usually more loyal.

Also a good way to increase loyalty is to give a general titles. Ancillaries like duke or count are great to increase loyalty.

[Saxman]

Original post

Hi guys, i have played this mod a while and i think its one of the best mods for M2TW i know!

The only thing which is dubious, is that u have a free upkeep in forts for 5 units! Thats a bit unrealistic i think.

However, im a bit in trouble in my HRE campaing because the loyalty of 1/3 of my Generals is down to zero or minus lol.

My question is, is there any guide for this amazing and extensive loyalty-system?

If yes plz post the link. If not i will try to make one, depending on the time i can spend for this project.

Regards Sax

PS: Thank you guys for this outstanding modifikation!!!

EDIT: PROJECT LOAYLTY for 3.38 (current version 0.3)
Step1 gathering informations
Step2 filtering gathered infos by relevance
Step3 evaluate infos
Step4 concentrate & presentate infos
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Step1 GATHER INFORMATIONS finished!
Part1 Traits = finished
Part 2 Triggers = finished

Step1 GATHER INFORMATIONS

Mod for M2TW "Regions & Provinces" ver.3.38 ENG: While playing this great mod, raised some problems in my HRE campaign. Thats why i now try to find out how the LOYALTY-SYSTEM works. Nearly 1/3 of my Generals got rebels, that sucks! The purpose of this project is to solve these kind of problems. DE: Beim Spielen des HRR sind arge Probleme mit der Loyalität einiger Generäle aufgetreten. Dieses Projekt soll dazu dienen herauszufinden, was genau alles die Loyalität beeinflusst! *************************** ** PROJECT starts here: *** *************************** NOTES (Eng) Apparently, i forget the traits outside the "LOAYLTY-SECTION", thats why i have to check the EDT again to gather these datas too! Bemarkungen (DE) Scheinbar habe ich einige Traits übersehen. Ich muss daher nochmals die EDT checken und die Fehlenden noch erfassen. ********* LOYALTY UND AUTORITÄT SYSTEM (Eigenschaften) ********* Trait AuthorityCareer Characters family Level Gauth1 Threshold 1 Effect Authority 2 Level Gauth2 Threshold 2 Effect Authority 4 Level Gauth3 Threshold 3 Effect Authority 6 Trait Lose authority Characters family Level auth1 Threshold 1 Effect Unrest 1 Level auth2 Threshold 2 Effect Unrest 2 Level auth3 Threshold 3 Effect Unrest 4 Level auth4 Threshold 4 Effect Unrest 6 Level auth5 Threshold 5 Effect Unrest 8 Level auth6 Threshold 6 Effect Unrest 10 Level auth7 Threshold 7 Effect Unrest 12 Level auth8 Threshold 8 Effect Unrest 14 Level auth9 Threshold 9 Effect Unrest 16 Trait Near_Loyalty Characters family AntiTraits Far_Loyalty Level Trusted Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Trusted1 Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 2 Effect TroopMorale 1 Level Trusted2 Threshold 6 Effect Loyalty 3 Effect TroopMorale 1 Trait Far_Loyalty Characters family AntiTraits Near_Loyalty Level Tempted Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect TroopMorale -1 Level Tempted1 Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect TroopMorale -2 Level Tempted2 Threshold 7 Effect Loyalty -4 Effect TroopMorale 2 Effect PersonalSecurity 1 Level Tempted3 Threshold 11 Effect Loyalty -6 Effect TroopMorale 3 Effect PersonalSecurity 2 Trait Obedient Characters family AntiTraits Disobedient Level Obedient1 Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 2 Level Obedient2 Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty 4 Effect Command 1 Trait Disobedient Characters family AntiTraits Obedient Level Disob1 Threshold 1 Effect Command -2 Effect TroopMorale -2 Effect Unrest 2 Effect Law -5 Effect TaxCllctn -10 Effect Trading -10 Level Disobdnt2 Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -10 Effect Law -200 Effect Unrest 250 Effect TaxCllctn -50 Effect Trading -10 Effect LocalPopularity -10 Effect MvmntPnts -15 Trait IDisobedient Characters family Ungehorsam Level IDsbdnt1 Threshold 1 Effect Command -2 Effect TroopMorale -2 Effect Unrest 2 Effect Law -5 Effect TaxCllctn -10 Effect Trading -10 Level IDsbdnt2 Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -10 Effect Law -200 Effect Unrest 250 Effect TxCllctn -50 Effect Trading -10 Effect LocalPopularity -10 Effect MovementPoints -15 Trait Locked Characters family Level Locked Threshold 1 Effect MovementPoints -25 Trait ExRebel Characters family AntiTraits Gregarious Level Rebelled Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Level Rebelious Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -2 Level Turncoat Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -3 Trait Stripped Characters family Level Stripped Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect TroopMorale -2 Level Str.again Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -4 Effect TroopMorale 2 Effect Command 1 Trait Off_To_Nobles Characters family Level Off1 Threshold 1 Effect LocalPop -1 Level Off2 Threshold 2 Effect LocalPopularity -2 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Hates_Father Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 AntiTraits Loves_Father Level Hatedad1 Description Hatedad1_desc EffectsDescription Hatedad1_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Level Hatedad2 Description Hatedad2_desc EffectsDescription Hatedad2_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -2 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Royal_Blood_JEDE FRAKTION/ for every faction Characters family Level Royal_Blood_Armenia Description Royal_Blood_Armenia_desc EffectsDescription Royal_Blood_Armenia_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Royal_Relation_HRE Characters family Level Royal_Relation_HRE Description Royal_Relation_HRE_desc EffectsDescription Royal_Relation_HRE_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait HouseMember Characters family Level HouseMember Description HouseMember_desc EffectsDescription HouseMember_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level ImperialHouseMember Description ImperialHouseMember_desc EffectsDescription ImperialHouseMember_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty 1 Effect Authority 1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait grlpower Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 Level grlp1 Description grlp1_desc EffectsDescription grlp1_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -2 Level grlp2 Description grlp2_desc EffectsDescription grlp2_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -3 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Loves_Father Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 AntiTraits Hates_Father Level Lovedad1 Description Lovedad1_desc EffectsDescription Lovedad1_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Lovedad2 Description Lovedad2_desc EffectsDescription Lovedad2_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty 2 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Poulains Characters family ExcludeCultures middle_eastern, mesoamerican, greek Level Poulains Description Poulains_desc EffectsDescription Poulains_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Clergy_Edu Characters family Level Novice Description Novice_desc EffectsDescription Novice_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Piety 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Ordination Description Ordination_desc EffectsDescription Ordination_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Piety 3 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect TroopMorale 2 Effect Law 1 Effect BattleSurgery 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Castle_Edu Characters family Level Squire Description Squire_desc EffectsDescription Novice_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect MovementPoints 5 Effect Loyalty 1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Cap_Edu Characters family Level Paige Description Paige_desc EffectsDescription Paige_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Law 1 Effect Loyalty 1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Humane Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 AntiTraits Hardened Level Humane Description Humane_desc EffectsDescription Humane_effects_desc GainMessage Humane1_gain Threshold 1 Effect Command -2 Effect HitPoints -1 Effect Piety 1 Effect BattleSurgery 5 Level Humane2 Description Humane2_desc EffectsDescription Humane2_effects_desc GainMessage Humane2_gain Threshold 3 Effect Command -3 Effect TroopMorale -1 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect HitPoints -1 Effect Piety 3 Effect BattleSurgery 10 ;------------------------- Trait kingass Characters family AntiTraits kingall Level kingass Description kingass_desc EffectsDescription kingass_effects_desc GainMessage kingass_gain_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait ail Characters family Hidden Level basic_l_bonus Description ail_desc EffectsDescription ail_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Effect TroopMorale 1 ;to slightly counter supply system. ;------------------------------------------ Trait EnviousOfHeir Characters family Level EnviousOfHeir Description EnviousOfHeir_desc EffectsDescription EnviousOfHeir_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait ImpEgg Characters family Level ImpEgg Description ImpEgg_desc EffectsDescription ImpEgg_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Command 3 Effect TroopMorale 1 Effect Loyalty -10 ;------------------------------------------ Trait ImpHatched Characters family Level ImpHatched Description ImpHatched_desc EffectsDescription ImpHatched_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -2 ;------------------------------------------ Trait RivalConquer_Constantinople1 Characters family ExcludeCultures greek AntiTraits RivalConquer_Constantinople Level RivalConquer_Constantinople1 Description RivalConquer_Constantinople1_desc EffectsDescription RivalConquer_Constantinople1_effects_desc GainMessage RivalConquer_Constantinople1_gain_desc Threshold 1 Effect Command 2 Effect Authority 1 Effect TroopMorale 1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait GreekConquer_Constantinople1 Characters family ExcludeCultures northern_european, southern_european, eastern_european, middle_eastern, mesoamerican AntiTraits GreekConquer_Constantinople Level GreekConquer_Constantinople1 Description GreekConquer_Constantinople1_desc EffectsDescription GreekConquer_Constantinople1_effects_desc GainMessage GreekConquer_Constantinople1_gain_desc Threshold 1 Effect Command 1 Effect Authority 1 Effect Law 1 Effect TroopMorale 1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Visit_Jerusalem2 Characters family Level Visit_Jerusalem2 Description visit_Jerusalem2_desc EffectsDescription Visit_Jerusalem2_effects_desc GainMessage Visit_Jerusalem2_gain_desc Threshold 1 Effect Piety -1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Visit_Jedda2 Characters family Level Visit_Jedda2 Description Visit_Jedda2_desc EffectsDescription Visit_Jedda2_effects_desc GainMessage Visit_Jedda2_gain_desc Threshold 1 Effect Piety -1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait VanquisherRoman Characters family Level AlmostVanquisherRoman Description AlmostVanquisherRoman_desc EffectsDescription AlmostVanquisherRoman_effects_desc Threshold 20 Level VanquisherRoman Description VanquisherRoman_desc EffectsDescription VanquisherRoman_effects_desc Threshold 30 Effect Authority 1 Effect Command 1 Effect Loyalty -1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Fearsslave Characters family AntiTraits Hatesslave Level Wary_of_Rebels Description Wary_of_Rebels_desc EffectsDescription Wary_of_Rebels_effects_desc Threshold 1 Level Fears_Rebelling_Forces Description Fears_Rebelling_Forces_desc EffectsDescription Fears_Rebelling_Forces_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect TroopMorale -1 Level Terrified_of_Rebellion Description Terrified_of_Rebellion_desc EffectsDescription Terrified_of_Rebellion_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 1 Effect TroopMorale -2 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Hatesslave Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 3 AntiTraits Fearsslave Level Dislikes_Rebels Description Dislikes_Rebels_desc EffectsDescription Dislikes_Rebels_effects_desc Threshold 1 Level Hates_Rebels Description Hates_Rebels_desc EffectsDescription Hates_Rebels_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect TroopMorale 1 Level Loathes_Rebelious_Scum Description Loathes_Rebelious_Scum_desc EffectsDescription Loathes_Rebelious_Scum_effects_desc GainMessage Loathes_Rebelious_Scum_gain_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait LoyaltyStarter Characters family Hidden Level Loyalty_Starting_Value Description Loyalty_Starting_Value_desc EffectsDescription Loyalty_Starting_Value_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 5 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Feck Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 2 AntiTraits Prim, RhetoricSkill Level Strong_Language Description Strong_Language_desc EffectsDescription Strong_Language_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Piety -1 Effect Command 1 Effect TroopMorale 1 Level Foul_Mouthed Description Foul_Mouthed_desc EffectsDescription Foul_Mouthed_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Chivalry -1 Effect Piety -2 Effect Command 1 Effect TroopMorale 2 Level Spits_Venom Description Spits_Venom_desc EffectsDescription Spits_Venom_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Chivalry -2 Effect Piety -3 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect Unrest 1 Effect TroopMorale 3 Level Utterly_Profane Description Utterly_Profane_desc EffectsDescription Utterly_Profane_effects_desc GainMessage Utterly_Profane_gain_desc Epithet Utterly_Profane_epithet_desc Threshold 5 Effect Chivalry -4 Effect Piety -4 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect Unrest 2 Effect TroopMorale 4 ;------------------------------------------ Trait PoliticsSkill Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 Level Political_Promise Description Political_Promise_desc EffectsDescription Political_Promise_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Authority 1 Level Political_Animal Description Political_Animal_desc EffectsDescription Political_Animal_effects_desc Threshold 6 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect Authority 1 Effect TrainingAgents 1 Level Perfect_Politician Description Perfect_Politician_desc EffectsDescription Perfect_Politician_effects_desc Epithet Pol_epi Threshold 12 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect Authority 1 Effect TrainingAgents 2 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Stoic Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 2 AntiTraits Epicurean Level Reserved Description Reserved_desc EffectsDescription Reserved_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect BribeResistance 10 Level Stone_Faced Description Stone_Faced_desc EffectsDescription Stone_Faced_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty 1 Effect BribeResistance 20 Level Utterly_Stoic Description Utterly_Stoic_desc EffectsDescription Utterly_Stoic_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 2 Effect BribeResistance 30 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Austere Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 2 AntiTraits ExpensiveTastes, Aesthetic Level Severe Description Severe_desc EffectsDescription Severe_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect BribeResistance 10 Effect TaxCollection 2 Level Austere Description Austere_desc EffectsDescription Austere_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty 1 Effect BribeResistance 20 Effect TaxCollection 5 Level Severely_Austere Description Severely_Austere_desc EffectsDescription Severely_Austere_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 2 Effect BribeResistance 30 Effect TaxCollection 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trait DeceiverVirtue Characters family Level Convincing Description Convincing_desc EffectsDescription Convincing_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -1 Level Deceptive Description Deceptive_desc EffectsDescription Deceptive_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect Authority 1 Level Total_Deceiver Description Total_Deceiver_desc EffectsDescription Total_Deceiver_effects_desc Epithet Total_Deceiver_epithet_desc Threshold 6 Effect Loyalty -3 Effect Authority 1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Upright Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 2 AntiTraits Corrupt, Embezzler, Liar, Girls, Drink, Perverted, ExpensiveTastes Level Honest Description Honest_desc EffectsDescription Honest_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Effect BribeResistance 10 Effect Law 2 Level Trustworthy Description Trustworthy_desc EffectsDescription Trustworthy_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty 2 Effect BribeResistance 20 Effect Law 4 Level Utterly_Immaculate Description Utterly_Immaculate_desc EffectsDescription Utterly_Immaculate_effects_desc Epithet Utterly_Immaculate_epithet_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 3 Effect BribeResistance 30 Effect Law 6 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Corrupt Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 2 AntiTraits Upright Level Dubious Description Dubious_desc EffectsDescription Dubious_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect BribeResistance -2 Effect TaxCollection -10 Effect Law -1 Level Underhanded Description Underhanded_desc EffectsDescription Underhanded_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect BribeResistance -4 Effect TaxCollection -20 Effect Law -2 Level Corrupt Description Corrupt_desc EffectsDescription Corrupt_effects_desc Threshold 5 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect BribeResistance -6 Effect TaxCollection -30 Effect Law -3 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Disloyal Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 3 AntiTraits Loyal Level Speaks_of_Loyalty Description Speaks_of_Loyalty_desc EffectsDescription Speaks_of_Loyalty_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Level Mixed_Loyalties Description Mixed_Loyalties_desc EffectsDescription Mixed_Loyalties_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Chivalry -1 Effect Loyalty -2 Level Disloyal Description Disloyal_desc EffectsDescription Disloyal_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Chivalry -2 Effect Loyalty -3 Level Actively_Disloyal Description Actively_Disloyal_desc EffectsDescription Actively_Disloyal_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Chivalry -3 Effect Loyalty -4 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Loyal Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 3 AntiTraits Disloyal Level Generally_Loyal Description Generally_Loyal_desc EffectsDescription Generally_Loyal_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Loyal Description Loyal_desc EffectsDescription Loyal_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Chivalry 1 Effect Loyalty 2 Level Very_Loyal Description Very_Loyal_desc EffectsDescription Very_Loyal_effects_desc Threshold 5 Effect Chivalry 2 Effect Loyalty 3 Level Loyal_Beyond_Question Description Loyal_Beyond_Question_desc EffectsDescription Loyal_Beyond_Question_effects_desc Threshold 7 Effect Chivalry 3 Effect Loyalty 4 ;------------------------------------------ Trait Just Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 2 AntiTraits Unjust, HarshJustice, LenientJustice, Perverted Level A_Sense_of_Justice Description A_Sense_of_Justice_desc EffectsDescription A_Sense_of_Justice_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Chivalry 1 Effect Law 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Just Description Just_desc EffectsDescription Just_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Chivalry 2 Effect Law 2 Effect Loyalty 2 Level Serves_Justice Description Serves_Justice_desc EffectsDescription Serves_Justice_effects_desc Epithet Serves_Justice_epithet_desc Threshold 5 Effect Chivalry 3 Effect Law 3 Effect Loyalty 3 ;------------------------------------------ Trait ContentGeneral Characters family AntiTraits DiscontentGeneral Level Feels_Appreciated Description Feels_Appreciated_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Appreciated_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Feels_Respected Description Feels_Respected_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Respected_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 2 Level Feels_Honoured Description Feels_Honoured_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Honoured_effects_desc Threshold 8 Effect Loyalty 3 ;------------------------------------------ Trait ContentGeneral Characters family AntiTraits DiscontentGeneral Level Feels_Appreciated Description Feels_Appreciated_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Appreciated_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Feels_Respected Description Feels_Respected_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Respected_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 2 Level Feels_Honoured Description Feels_Honoured_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Honoured_effects_desc Threshold 8 Effect Loyalty 3 ;------------------------------------------ Trait DiscontentGeneral Characters family AntiTraits ContentGeneral Level Feels_Unappreciated Description Feels_Unappreciated_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Unappreciated_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Level Feels_Disrespected Description Feels_Disrespected_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Disrespected_effects_desc Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty -2 Level Feels_Dishonoured Description Feels_Dishonoured_desc EffectsDescription Feels_Dishonoured_effects_desc Threshold 8 Effect Loyalty -3 ;------------------------------------------ Trait MarriedAPrincess Characters family Level Royal_Ties Description Royal_Ties_desc EffectsDescription Royal_Ties_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 ;------------------------------------------ Trait FamousPirate Characters admiral Level Dangerous_Captain Description Dangerous_Captain_desc EffectsDescription Dangerous_Captain_effects_desc Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect NavalCommand 1 Level Famous_Pirate Description Famous_Pirate_desc EffectsDescription Famous_Pirate_effects_desc Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect NavalCommand 2 Level Notorious_Pirate Description Notorious_Pirate_desc EffectsDescription Notorious_Pirate_effects_desc Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -3 Effect NavalCommand 3 ****************************************************************** *** TRAIT SECTION END ************************ *** Ende des Abschnitts Charactermerkmale ************************ ****************************************************************** ******************************************************************************************* ********* LOYALTY- AND AUTORITY-SYSTEM TRIGGER (Auslöser) ******************************** ** All Triggers below an chance of affect of 5% were igrnored! **************************** ** Alle Trigger mit einer Wahrscheinlichkeit von unter 5% wurden von mir ignoriert! ******* ******************************************************************************************* Trigger IRebel_returntolaw Wann: RndEnde Condition: IsGeneral, Trait IDisobedient = 2, Stripped > 0 ;strip him of titles Affects IDisobedient -2 Chance 100 Trigger Civilwarcounter Wann: RndEnde Condition: Offensive_To_Nobles > 1, FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles < 12, FactionLeader, Spieler Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king1 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Obedient >= 1 Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king2 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Disobedient >= 1 Affects Obedient 1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king3 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Loves_Father > 0 Affects Hates_Father 1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king4 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Hates_Father > 0 Affects Loves_Father 1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king 5Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Stripped > 0 Affects Stripped -1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king6 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Near_Loyalty > 0 Affects Near_Loyalty -1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king7 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Far_Loyalty > 0 Affects Far_Loyalty -1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king8 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, DiscontentGeneral > 0 Affects DiscontentGeneral -1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king9 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, ContentGeneral > 0 Affects ContentGeneral -1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king10 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, Loseauthority > 0, Offensive_To_Nobles = 0 Affects Loseauthority -1 Chance 100 Trigger cleanup_the_king11 Wann: RndEnde Condition: FactionLeader, grlpower > 0 Affects grlpower -1 Chance 100 Affects lackauth 1 Chance 66 ;transfer it to this instead perhaps Trigger cleanup_the_king12 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Trait kingass > 0 Affects kingass -1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_king13 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Trait kingall > 0 Affects kingall -1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_king14 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Trait Badblood > 0 Affects Badblood -1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_heir6 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionHeir and Trait Near_Loyalty > 0 Affects Near_Loyalty -1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_heir7 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionHeir and Trait Far_Loyalty > 0 Affects Far_Loyalty -1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_nobility1 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait Disobedient >= 1 and FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 Affects Obedient 1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_nobility2 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait Obedient >= 1 and FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_nobility_that_went_gray WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait Disobedient >= 1 and FactionType slave Affects Obedient 1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_nobility3 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait Locked >= 1 and FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 Affects Locked -1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cleanup_the_nobility4 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait Locked >= 1 and Trait Disobedient < 2 Affects Locked -1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger lock_up_self_in_town WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and EndedInSettlement and Trait Disobedient >= 2 ;must be full blown traitor... not just disobedient. Disob. is the warning level. and not Trait Locked > 0 Affects Locked 1 Chance 100 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check_bad_odds_penalty WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and not WonBattle and not WasAttacker and not IsFactionLeader and BattleSuccess >= average and I_ConflictType Normal and BattleOdds < 0.7 Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 100 **************************************************************************************************** *********************************unter 100% aber 50 und mehr *************************************** **************************************************************************************************** ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cLose_authority_1 WhenToTest GovernorCityRiots Condition IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority > 1 and Trait Authority_career > 0 and FactionIsLocal Affects Authority_career -1 Chance 95 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger sGain_authority_2 WhenToTest GeneralCaptureSettlement Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career < 1 Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 90 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger bGain_authority_1 WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career < 1 and not Trait noaction = 1 and I_ConflictType Normal and WonBattle and I_BattleEnemyArmyNumberOfUnits > 4 Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 90 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check2_good_odds_bonus WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and WonBattle and not IsFactionLeader and I_ConflictType Normal and BattleOdds >= 1.5 Affects ContentGeneral 1 Chance 90 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger sGain_authority_1 WhenToTest GeneralCaptureSettlement Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career = 1 and not Trait noaction = 1 Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 75 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger bLose_authority_1 WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority > 1 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career > 0 and not WonBattle and FactionIsLocal Affects Authority_career -1 Chance 75 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check9 WhenToTest BrotherAdopted Condition not IsFactionHeir Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 75 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger king_redeems_his_honor ;The King fights a major battle to redeem his authority WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and WonBattle and I_BattleEnemyArmyNumberOfUnits > 9 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1 and BattleSuccess >= clear Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 75 ;it might not work... ;------------------------------------------ Trigger king_screws_his_honor ;The King really screws up! WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and FactionIsLocal ;players only and not WonBattle and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 75 ;ouch ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check8 WhenToTest GeneralPrisonersRansomedCaptor ;chivlrous characters do NOT like to execute Condition RansomType execute and NumCapturedSoldiers > 40 and Attribute Chivalry >= 4 and not IsFactionLeader Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 66 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger King_pardons ;The King may pardon the general if he comes to court or piss him off worse WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait Disobedient = 1 and Trait IDisobedient = 0 and DistanceCapital <= 1 ;he's in the capitol Affects Disobedient -1 Chance 66 Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 20 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger King_pardonsI ;The King may pardon the general if he comes to court or piss him off worse WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait IDisobedient = 1 and Trait Disobedient = 0 and DistanceCapital <= 1 ;he's in the capitol Affects IDisobedient -1 Chance 66 Affects IDisobedient 1 Chance 20 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Near_Loyalty_trigger ;AI OK for this one WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and not IsFactionHeir and not IsFactionLeader and DistanceCapital < 45 and Trait Near_Loyalty < 6 and Trait Far_Loyalty < 1 and Trait Disobedient < 1 and not FactionType mongols and not FactionType timurids Affects Near_Loyalty 1 Chance 66 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Far_Loyalty_trigger WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and not IsOnCrusade and not IsOnJihad and not IsFactionHeir ;so send your King or his son on Crusade- not some noble! Once the crusade ends if you want to hold the region... need someone loyal. and not IsFactionLeader and FactionIsLocal and DistanceCapital > 100 and Trait Far_Loyalty < 14 and Trait Near_Loyalty < 1 and Trait Loyal < 3 and not FactionType mongols and not FactionType timurids Affects Far_Loyalty 1 Chance 66 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check8_extermination WhenToTest ExterminatePopulation Condition Attribute Chivalry >= 4 and not IsFactionLeader Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 50 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger bGain_authority_2 WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career = 1 and not Trait noaction = 1 and I_ConflictType Normal and WonBattle and I_BattleEnemyArmyNumberOfUnits > 8 Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 50 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger sGain_authority_3 WhenToTest GeneralCaptureSettlement Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career = 2 Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 50 **************************************************************************************************** ********************************* unter 50% aber 10 und mehr *************************************** **************************************************************************************************** ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Civilwarender ;will end in roughly 5 turns more or so- so about 7 years (14 turns) is maximum average length of a civil war. WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles = 12 and IsFactionLeader Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -12 Chance 33 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Loyalstarta WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1 and IsGeneral and Trait Disobedient = 0 ;as this is the initial step- no returning back... and Trait Obedient = 0 and Trait IDisobedient = 0 and Attribute Loyalty > 3 and not IsFactionLeader Affects Obedient 1 Chance 30 ;tended this way ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Far_Loyalty_trigger_lose ;losing bad loyalty as closer WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and not IsOnCrusade and not IsOnJihad and not IsFactionHeir ;so send your King or his son on Crusade- not some nameless noble! Once the crusade ends if you want to hold the region... need someone loyal. and not IsFactionLeader and FactionIsLocal and DistanceCapital < 75 and Trait Far_Loyalty > 0 and not FactionType mongols and not FactionType timurids and Trait Disobedient < 1 ;so not going down traitor route Affects Far_Loyalty -1 Chance 25 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger bGain_authority_3 WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career = 2 and not Trait noaction = 1 and I_ConflictType Normal and WonBattle and I_BattleEnemyArmyNumberOfUnits > 12 Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 25 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Authority_Loss_Over_Time WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles > 1 Affects Loseauthority 1 Chance 20 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Rebelstarta WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1 and IsGeneral and Attribute Loyalty <= 3 and Trait Disobedient = 0 and Trait Obedient = 0 and Trait IDisobedient = 0 and not IsFactionLeader Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 20 ;tended this way ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cGain_authority_4 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and Trait Authority_career < 1 and not Trait noaction = 1 and GovernorTaxLevel > tax_high Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 20 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check3 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionExcommunicated and not IsFactionLeader and IsGeneral and Attribute Piety > 4 Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 20 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Loyalstart WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1 and IsGeneral and Trait Disobedient = 0 ;as this is the initial step- no returning... and Trait Obedient = 0 and Trait IDisobedient = 0 and not IsFactionLeader Affects Obedient 1 Chance 15 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Loyalend WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 2 and IsGeneral and Trait Obedient = 1 and not Trait Disobedient >= 1 Affects Obedient 1 Chance 15 ;eventually you WILL gain it it's just a matter of time... ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Rebelstart WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 1 and IsGeneral and Trait Disobedient = 0 and Trait Obedient = 0 and Trait IDisobedient = 0 and not IsFactionLeader Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 15 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Rebelend WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionLeaderTrait Offensive_To_Nobles >= 2 and IsGeneral and Trait Disobedient = 1 and not Trait Obedient >= 1 Affects Disobedient 1 Chance 15 ;eventually you WILL gain it it's just a matter of time... Trigger king_risks_his_honor ;The King is taking chances... a player ought to know better... WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and WasAttacker and FactionIsLocal ;players only and not WonBattle and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 2 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger King_administrates_his_way_out ;The King is trying to reverse things WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1 and DistanceCapital <= 2 ;he's working in the capitol and Attribute Authority >= 5 ;has to have some. Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check10_mutually_chivalrous WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and not IsFactionLeader and Attribute Chivalry >= 3 and FactionLeaderAttribute Chivalry >= 3 Affects ContentGeneral 1 Chance 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check11_not_mutually_chivalrous WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and not IsFactionLeader and Attribute Chivalry >= 3 and FactionLeaderAttribute Chivalry <= -3 Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check12_mutually_chivalrous WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and not IsFactionLeader and Attribute Chivalry <= -3 and FactionLeaderAttribute Chivalry >= 3 Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Near_Loyalty_trigger_lose ;Losing GOOD LOYALTY FIRST WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and not IsFactionHeir and not IsFactionLeader and DistanceCapital > 100 and Trait Near_Loyalty > 0 and not FactionType mongols and not FactionType timurids Affects Near_Loyalty -1 Chance 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check5 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition EndedInSettlement and not GovernorBuildingExists >= stone_wall and not GovernorBuildingExists >= castle and Attribute Command > 3 and DistanceCapital > 50 and not IsFactionLeader Affects DiscontentGeneral 1 Chance 10 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cGain_authority_1 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Authority_career < 1 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and not Trait noaction = 1 and GovernorTaxLevel >= tax_normal Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 10 **************************************************************************************************** ********************************* weniger als 10% ************************************************** **************************************************************************************************** ;------------------------------------------ Trigger IRebelgo WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral and Trait IDisobedient = 1 ;CAN be reversed when at level 1 by sending to capital Affects IDisobedient 1 Chance 8 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger king_faced_dishonor ;The King should be better prepared... WhenToTest PostBattle Condition IsGeneral and IsFactionLeader and not WasAttacker ;defending and FactionIsLocal ;players only and not WonBattle and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 2 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 5 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger weaker_King_administrates_his_way_out ;The King is trying to reverse things WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 1 and DistanceCapital <= 2 ;he's working in the capitol and Attribute Authority < 5 Affects Offensive_To_Nobles -1 Chance 5 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger cGain_authority_2 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsFactionLeader and Attribute Authority < 8 and Trait Authority_career = 1 and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles < 1 and not Trait noaction = 1 and GovernorTaxLevel >= tax_normal Affects Authority_career 1 Chance 5 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger Disgust_with_King's_Religiona ;The King is not looking out for the salvation of our souls WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition FactionExcommunicated and IsFactionLeader and Trait Offensive_To_Nobles = 0 and CharacterReligion catholic and Attribute Piety <= 5 ;so it isn't just a political thing the Pope is perpetrating but truly, disgustingly, a deserved Excommunication! and FactionIsLocal ;AI has a lesser chance Affects Offensive_To_Nobles 1 Chance 5 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check6 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition EndedInSettlement and GovernorBuildingExists >= large_stone_wall and Attribute Command > 4 and not IsFactionLeader Affects ContentGeneral 1 Chance 5 ;------------------------------------------ Trigger loyalty_check7 WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition EndedInSettlement and GovernorBuildingExists >= fortress and Attribute Command < 6 and not IsFactionLeader Affects ContentGeneral 1 Chance 5

@ Developers & all users please confirm my datas if possible!

Step2 Filter gathered informations by relevance
Traits = unsolved
Triggers = unsolved

Note:
Eng: All Triggers with a chance of affect below 5% were igrnored!
De: Alle Auslöser mit einer Wahrscheinlichkeit von unter 5% wurden von mir ignoriert!

Step2 filter infos

Mod for M2TW "Regions & Provinces" ver.3.38 ENG: While playing this great mod, raised some problems in my HRE campaign. Thats why i now try to find out how the LOYALTY-SYSTEM works. Nearly 1/3 of my Generals got rebels, that sucks! The purpose of this file is to solve these kind of problems. DE: Beim Spielen des HHR sind arge Probleme mit der Loyalität einiger Generäle aufgetreten. Diese Datei soll dazu dienen herauszufinden, was genau alles die Loyalität beeinflusst! Step2 filtering gathered infos ********* LOYALTY SYSTEM ********* Trait AuthorityCareer Characters family Level Gauth1 Threshold 1 Effect Authority 2 Level Gauth2 Threshold 2 Effect Authority 4 Level Gauth3 Threshold 3 Effect Authority 6 Trait Loseauthority Characters family Level auth1 Threshold 1 Effect Unrest 1 Level auth2 Threshold 2 Effect Unrest 2 Level auth3 Threshold 3 Effect Unrest 4 Level auth4 Threshold 4 Effect Unrest 6 Level auth5 Threshold 5 Effect Unrest 8 Level auth6 Threshold 6 Effect Unrest 10 Level auth7 Threshold 7 Effect Unrest 12 Level auth8 Threshold 8 Effect Unrest 14 Level auth9 Threshold 9 Effect Unrest 16 Trait Near_Loyalty Characters family AntiTraits Far_Loyalty Level Trusted Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Trusted1 Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 2 Effect TroopMorale 1 Level Trusted2 Threshold 6 Effect Loyalty 3 Effect TroopMorale 1 Trigger Near_Loyalty WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral, not leader or heir, and DistanceCapital < 45, Trait Near_Loyalty < 6, Trait Far_Loyalty < 1, Trait Disobedient < 1, and not mongols or timurids Affects Near_Loyalty 1 Chance 66 Trait Far_Loyalty Characters family AntiTraits Near_Loyalty Level Tempted Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect TroopMorale -1 Level Tempted1 Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect TroopMorale -2 Level Tempted2 Threshold 7 Effect Loyalty -4 Effect TroopMorale 2 Effect PersonalSecurity 1 Level Tempted3 Threshold 11 Effect Loyalty -6 Effect TroopMorale 3 Effect PersonalSecurity 2 Trigger Far_Loyalty WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral, not On Crusade, not on Jihad, no leader or heir, players faction only, and DistanceCapital > 100, , Trait Far_Loyalty < 14, Trait Near_Loyalty < 1, Trait Loyal < 3, and not mongols or timurids Affects Far_Loyalty 1 Chance 66 Hint: so send your King or his son on Crusade- not some noble! Once the crusade ends if you want to hold the region... need someone loyal. Trait Obedient Characters family AntiTraits Disobedient Level Obedient1 Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 2 Level Obedient2 Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty 4 Effect Command 1 Trait Disobedient Characters family AntiTraits Obedient Level Disob1 Threshold 1 Effect Command -2 Effect TroopMorale -2 Effect Unrest 2 Effect Law -5 Effect TaxCllctn -10 Effect Trading -10 Level Disobdnt2 Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -10 Effect Law -200 Effect Unrest 250 Effect TaxCllctn -50 Effect Trading -10 Effect LocalPopularity -10 Effect MvmntPnts -15 Trait IDisobedient Characters family Ungehorsam Level IDsbdnt1 Threshold 1 Effect Command -2 Effect TroopMorale -2 Effect Unrest 2 Effect Law -5 Effect TaxCllctn -10 Effect Trading -10 Level IDsbdnt2 Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -10 Effect Law -200 Effect Unrest 250 Effect TxCllctn -50 Effect Trading -10 Effect LocalPopularity -10 Effect MovementPoints -15 Trait Locked Characters family Level Locked Threshold 1 Effect MovementPoints -25 Trait ExRebel Characters family AntiTraits Gregarious Level Rebelled Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Level Rebelious Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -2 Level Turncoat Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -3 Trait Stripped Characters family Level Stripped Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect TroopMorale -2 Level Str.again Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -4 Effect TroopMorale 2 Effect Command 1 Trait Off_To_Nobles Characters family Level Off1 Threshold 1 Effect LocalPop -1 Level Off2 Threshold 2 Effect LocalPopularity -2 Trait Hates_Father Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 AntiTraits Loves_Father Level Hatedad1 Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Level Hatedad2 Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -2 Trait Royal_Blood_"counts for every faction/ gilt für jede Seite" Characters family Level Royal_Blood_"FACTION" Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Trait Ryl_Relation_HRE Characters family Level Royal_Relation_HRE Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Trait HouseMember Characters family Level HouseMember Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level ImpHMmbr Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty 1 Effect Authority 1 Trait grlpower Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 Level grlp1 Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -2 Level grlp2 Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty -3 Trait Loves_Father Characters family NoGoingBackLevel 1 AntiTraits Hates_Father Level Lovedad1 Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Lovedad2 Threshold 3 Effect Loyalty 2 Trait Poulains Characters family ExcludeCultures middle_eastern, mesoamerican, greek Level Poulains Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty -1 Trait Clergy_Edu Characters family Level Novice Threshold 1 Effect Piety 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Ordintn Threshold 2 Effect Piety 3 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect TroopMorale 2 Effect Law 1 Effect BattleSurgery 10 Trait Castle_Edu Characters family Level Squire Threshold 1 Effect MovementPoints 5 Effect Loyalty 1 Trait Cap_Edu Characters family Level Paige Threshold 1 Effect Law 1 Effect Loyalty 1

Step3 evaluate Infos

Step3 evaluate Infos

Trait Near_Loyalty Characters family AntiTraits Far_Loyalty Level Trusted Threshold 1 Effect Loyalty 1 Level Trusted1 Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty 2 Effect TroopMorale 1 Level Trusted2 Threshold 6 Effect Loyalty 3 Effect TroopMorale 1 Trigger Near_Loyalty WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral, not leader or heir, and DistanceCapital < 45, Trait Near_Loyalty < 6, Trait Far_Loyalty < 1, Trait Disobedient < 1, and not mongols or timurids Affects Near_Loyalty 1 Chance 66 Trait Far_Loyalty Characters family AntiTraits Near_Loyalty Level Tempted Threshold 2 Effect Loyalty -1 Effect TroopMorale -1 Level Tempted1 Threshold 4 Effect Loyalty -2 Effect TroopMorale -2 Level Tempted2 Threshold 7 Effect Loyalty -4 Effect TroopMorale 2 Effect PersonalSecurity 1 Level Tempted3 Threshold 11 Effect Loyalty -6 Effect TroopMorale 3 Effect PersonalSecurity 2 Trigger Far_Loyalty WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd Condition IsGeneral, not On Crusade, not on Jihad, no leader or heir, players faction only, and DistanceCapital > 100, , Trait Far_Loyalty < 14, Trait Near_Loyalty < 1, Trait Loyal < 3, and not mongols or timurids Affects Far_Loyalty 1 Chance 66 Hint: so send your King or his son on Crusade- not some noble! Once the crusade ends if you want to hold the region... need someone loyal.

Step4 concentrate & presentate infos

Step4 concentrate & presentate infos

Loyalty distance effect Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Keep all your new generals in between a distance of 45 titles to the capital, until they get the trait "Dutiful"! Then u will be safe and aviod penalty of the Far_distance_trait! If its urgency u can send the general away behind that 45 titles border if he own the trait "Has the King's eye", but not farther than 100 titles to the capital. Another protection against the Far_distance_trait loyalty penalty (a slightly one) is, if the general own a loyalty of higher than "3". But then, keep an eye on his loyalty every turn and send him back if its goes down to 3!!! CONCLUSION LOYALTY DISTANCE EFFECT: Trait "Dutiful" or "King's right hand" means SAFE! Trait "Has the King's eye" and "Loyalty 4" means OK for a while but ATTENTION!!!

[irishron]

Thank you for the kind words.

Loyalty is frustrating for everyone including me. I have three rebel family members right now. REDrake yanked out a portion that never did work. What is left I haven't had a chance to find out how much is in the traits and ancillaries and how much is CA's hardcode. Distance to capital plays a big role.

[Saxman]

Ok then, i will try to create a guide editing my 1st post here.

[irishron]

You're on. Thank you.

[Gigantus]

Toning down this loyalty thing will make the whole game more enjoyable.
I once played Spain, my king had level 6 or 7 in authority, no-one left the Peninsula and still had half my generals revolting. The first time I forgot to crown my new king in time, but the next time wasn't much better.

[irishron]

Take the lines out of the EDA where they have to go home to be crowned should help some.

I have noticed getting rebelling Generals back to the Capital to get them loyal, again, is not working.

[Gigantus]

I have noticed getting rebelling Generals back to the Capital to get them loyal, again, is not working.

That was the most frustrating: 20 turns to get from the Iberian East coast to the capital and nothing happens.

[Bowden]

That was the most frustrating: 20 turns to get from the Iberian East coast to the capital and nothing happens.

Character movement should indeed be increased (like I've done)

[irishron]

That was the most frustrating: 20 turns to get from the Iberian East coast to the capital and nothing happens.

Is it a traits/ancillary thing, king not crowned thing, or just bad CA code?

If you wish, before the next patch, take the capital lines out of the king/crown ancillaries. If not, I will.
I hate getting the FH across the map and short of console cheats never get him home in time to get crowned when he becomes king.

The last campaign before crashing, got to 1151, a lot of kings being crowned and princesses coming of age announcements but no regents.

[Gigantus]

Character movement should indeed be increased (like I've done)

Movement point increase will not solve the problem in this case - the characters were given traits to reduce their movement close to zero.

In general increased movement points leads to increased 'Turn around' time in the later stages of the game, due to the increased path finding calculations.

[Saxman]

Is it a traits/ancillary thing, king not crowned thing, or just bad CA code?

If you wish, before the next patch, take the capital lines out of the king/crown ancillaries. If not, I will.
I hate getting the FH across the map and short of console cheats never get him home in time to get crowned when he becomes king.

The last campaign before crashing, got to 1151, a lot of kings being crowned and princesses coming of age announcements but no regents.

Its not caused by CA hardcode stuff. Also an increase of movement points will not be adaquate to me.

For the crown problem my sugesstion is. Just to add cities like Rome and Jerusalem (Madrid, Alexandria, Byzanz) to get crowned there if a local cardinal is present in that city.

[Bowden]

How about (to get crowned):

Either
- FactionLeader visits Capital (for at least 1 turn)
or
- Priest w/Archbishop of the Realm Anc visits FactionLeader (for at least 1 turn)

[irishron]

How about (to get crowned):

Either
- FactionLeader visits Capital (for at least 1 turn)

Anguin to Kiev or Tbilisi is too far.

or
- Priest w/Archbishop of the Realm Anc visits FactionLeader (for at least 1 turn)

I don't see the Muslim equivilant getting there from Cairo if the Fatimid Faction Leader is marching through Brittania.

[Bowden]

Anguin to Kiev or Tbilisi is too far.


I don't see the Muslim equivilant getting there from Cairo if the Fatimid Faction Leader is marching through Brittania.

Well then don't have your heir somewhere distant and/or remote when your faction leader is at his late 50s.

[irishron]

Well then don't have your heir somewhere distant and/or remote when your faction leader is at his late 50s.

The settlement line for the crown ancillary is already in there. By the time I get to the starting FL's grandkids, the ancillary does not seem to fire right concernig Gereal's loyalty, though, so I commented them out so he could be crowned "on the road". Generals' loyalty tied to this ancillary is still not working as planned.

With the settlement as the place to get crowned, I have had the new FL home in the next move, and still aint happening.

[danny X]

After being disillusioned by loyalty, i've done abit of searching and figuring out and have a spoiler for people who are abit annoyed with their generals going rebel.

i've been playing as genoa, my capital is genoa and my faction leader is in genoa. i had a family member (fl's younger brother) in marseille (next town down), who had his loyalty at full, i'd also transferred him some loyalty ancillaries. but he still manages to rebel for some unknown reason. so i thought i would narrow these rebel inspiring traits down!!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

remove_trait "General's Name" Disobedient 2
this will remove "Rebel!"
IDisobedient 2
this will remove "Rebel!", slightly different worded one, but the first one i think is the more common one
Offensive_To_Nobles 2
use this one on your faction leader to remove "Inspires civil war"

give_trait "Generals Name" Obedient 2
this will give your generals "Royalist", which should keep them loyal to king and country!!

i hope this helps some people out there and doesn't offend too many!!
i also hope the spoiler thingy works!

[irishron]

I've had the faction heir go rebel too many times.

I have also found out the forgive trait does not work for some reason when the rebel generals and family members get back to the capital.

I have also had faction heir as rebel become faction leader and two turns later still rebel.

I wish I had the answers.

If your console commands work, all the better for those that wish to. Thank you.