Fire Attacks

[CerealGuy]

As i read the article that buildings could catch on fire
so does this mean they will implement fire attacks?

I mean
you would set archers arrows on fire and hope the ground,buildings,or Camp would catch on fire
Adding the ability wouldnt be that hard i think all you have to do is add the ability for archers to attack the ground or buildings when fire arrows are turned on
It would also add more strategy into the game like you do a night attack on an enemy so the enemy is inside their Maku? Camp. your archers close in and fire at it ,the camp catches on fire and units scramble to put out fire or Units would catch on fire causing severe confusion and morale damage

the chance of the fire depends on the season,wether,and conditions on the battlefield
ie. if the ground is waterlogged the fire wouldn't probably catch
and the way the fire spreads depends on the direction on the Wind and the strength on the Winds
This way it cant be overused and their could be consequences like the wind changes unexpendently and your own troops catch on fire causeing severe losses



What are your ideas on the Subject

[Elmar]

Voted "Fire attacks never happend in this Era"
Now, I know they probably did happen. But they weren't the norm. Yet in RTW and MTW2 it was fire arrows per default. Which is just silly. In a typical battle normal arrows would be used, fire arrows being too unwieldy and not having a big benefit.

[Sol Invictus]

I hate fire arrows and never use them.

[CerealGuy]

I hate fire arrows and never use them.

but the point is to find a good historical use for them

and they actully were usefull in MedII and Rome they were great demoralizers,set seige equipment on fire,and pierced armor

[Ryan Industries]

stop playing dynasty warriors

[Sol Invictus]

I just don't feel the need to try and find a historically based reason to use them. I don't think they really fit the way I like to play so I simply don't use them. I think of them as I do the Skirmisher Stakes, something to be ignored or modded out if possible. Now I do think they will be useful in naval battles but I will wait and see how that all shakes out.

[ediko]

I remember how stupid I was when I was using them all the time. One time I found myself wasting 2 archer units ammo trying to kill like 30 spearmen (didn't want to waste my other troops). They killed like 2 or 3 of them. After I disabled the fire arrows everyone got killed in seconds.

Back on topic though. I actually thought of this myself. I would like buildings and ground catching on fire, burning the troops sounded a bit silly though. Do you really think men will just stand there and get burned? It could work like they rout and return to your command when safe. Burning settlements to the ground would be great too. I can already imagine a burning town catching on fire... the scene would be really cool and the building should be destroyed on the strategic map too.

[CerealGuy]

burning the troops sounded a bit silly though. Do you really think men will just stand there and get burned? It.

No but a fire could spread pretty fast esp if the defenders of the castle soaked the ground in some type of oil
the men could catch on fire when the fire surrounds the troops or the tent could catch on fire or even hit by a fire arrow there is tons of thins that could happen so that troops could catch on fire plus it would look pretty cool

also for Rome and MedII fire arrows work best when your archers are in the front line becaue when your swords or pikemen are in front the accuracy goes down ALOT
Or when your enemy crowds around the gates fire arrows come in handy
fire arrows worked best when the enemy was in tight formation and your archers could shoot straight

[ediko]

Well when it happens fast its OK. I mean who would stay in a perfect line waiting to get burned by that fire that is slowly getting to you? Other than that yeah. I agree with all of this and I always wanted something like this in previous TW titles. It was really cool in medieval 2 when my artillery was missing and those buildings got damaged and destroyed. I always thought how could it would be if the fire spread!

[Ayleid]

As i read the article that buildings could catch on fire
so does this mean they will implement fire attacks?

I mean
you would set archers arrows on fire and hope the ground,buildings,or Camp would catch on fire
Adding the ability wouldnt be that hard i think all you have to do is add the ability for archers to attack the ground or buildings when fire arrows are turned on
It would also add more strategy into the game like you do a night attack on an enemy so the enemy is inside their Maku? Camp. your archers close in and fire at it ,the camp catches on fire and units scramble to put out fire or Units would catch on fire causing severe confusion and morale damage

What are your ideas on the Subject

I agree with this part of your idea. There should be a new option available, along with night attacks, to implement a 'raid' on a stationary enemy army. It would obviously be only available to those characters with a trait along the lines of 'can conduct fire attacks'.

Really, really like this idea. Think about using it in lieu with an adapted agent from the Peninsula campaign from N:TW, if it is carried a long that is. You could sabotage an enemy armies movement points for a turn in a mountainous region, then ambush the enemy army with a raid.

The rest of your idea, perhaps, is not so good. No offence. Other than that, this is a really good idea! + Rep!

[CerealGuy]

The rest of your idea, perhaps, is not so good. No offence. Other than that, this is a really good idea! + Rep!

yeah i scraped the ship fire attacks

i really hope they implement it in Shogun

also i heard there would be torches so in a night supraise attack so you could set the enemy camp on fire with any infrantry but they have to get close

[Magefsx]

Fire arrows and the like are inevitable, and are definately going to happen. Slightly, but not entirely off topic:
Did the japanese have firework technology available to them at this time, cause if so perhaps we could see "firework ship/ units"- very short range and innacurate rocket ships that would essentially be fireships. I was just playing ETW and I was thinking... I should use a rocket ship to take out the entire fleet...

[bangell99]

It would probably be quite hard to implement properly.

[CerealGuy]

It would probably be quite hard to implement properly.

Probably but im sure CA or other Modders could figure it out
beecause we have seen in MedII and Rome Troops catch on Fire
and in MedII those Cow Carcasses Linger on the ground to make it a fire all you have to do is make it spread towards the wind and put the proper grapics
and in Napoleon the giant Smoke clouds would go great with the fire

also maybe you could see troops starting to sufficate from fumes from the fire

oh and +1 rep for you Nakandakari Lobato for the links

[Darth_Revan]

stop playing dynasty warriors

LOL something always involved fire in those games..

[Yojimbo]

,and pierced armor

No they didnt

[AnimaMea]

Would be good to be able to burn forests along with the men inside them... Sun Tzu recorded a battle where troops were flushed out of a forest when arrows caught it alight

[Maizel]

I don't understand the 'fire attacks never happened in this era'option.


I'm not an expert, so you might very well be right, but I'd assume they could have been used. I'm pretty sure them 16th century Japanese guy could light an arrow on fire and shoot it.

[Elmar]

I don't understand the 'fire attacks never happened in this era'option.


I'm not an expert, so you might very well be right, but I'd assume they could have been used. I'm pretty sure them 16th century Japanese guy could light an arrow on fire and shoot it.

There's a bit more to it then that.
It requires specialist equipment to light and fire such arrows. Soldiers weren't exactly carrying around Zippos, nor is it possible to easily maintain fires for an entire unit of archers to light their arrows on the battlefield, unless special preparations were made and the unit was static.

Nor were these burning arrows, or arrows simply with an oily rag tied to it. They tended to be specialist items designed for the purpose.
So yes, fire arrows were possible. Unit running around firing them at the drop of a hat were not.

[CerealGuy]

There's a bit more to it then that.
It requires specialist equipment to light and fire such arrows. Soldiers weren't exactly carrying around Zippos, nor is it possible to easily maintain fires for an entire unit of archers to light their arrows on the battlefield, unless special preparations were made and the unit was static.

Nor were these burning arrows, or arrows simply with an oily rag tied to it. They tended to be specialist items designed for the purpose.
So yes, fire arrows were possible. Unit running around firing them at the drop of a hat were not.

exactly because
Metal doesnt Burn well so they would have to A)use Wooden Arrows (ive heard of this before) B)soak the arrow in some type of Flammable Substance thats doesnt burn sooo fast that it stops burning before it even hits the ground
and im sure no one carried an extra pouch just for a type of oil or Wooden Arrows
maybe you could have a general who has the ability to conduct fire attacks or just have a fire arrow unit I dont really Care either way is fine with me