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Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
This. At first I thought RTW and M2's 3d "living" map felt off. But then after playing it, I found it to be one of the biggest improvements. It vastly expanded strategic gameplay.Originally Posted by garudamon11
EDIT: whoops. NOT this. Having read the thread, I actually agree with CA's idea. If it retains the functionality of the 3d map but looks like a stylised STW1 map, that would be fine. It would have a more "Im in ur throne roomz, makin mah stratageez" feel too it.
Last edited by MaximiIian; June 16, 2010 at 02:41 PM.
Pig tail Sock
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
No I get you i just prefer the realistic look.
And yeah the amount of people who don't get it is amazing.
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
Yes.
I assume what we’re talking about here is taking the E:TW map and re-skinning it so it looks like a map instead of “real” life terrain (perhaps with contour lines for elevation). I am very much in favor of that, mostly for the atmosphere it gives. I don’t want to be God. I want to be the faction leader in a tent or war room, standing over a map with army tokens to move around. I feel more responsible for the results under that atmosphere. It feels older too… no spy satellites.
I also like picking up army and dropping tokens more than seeing them walk under their own power. On default settings they walk far too slowly, and after I push spacebar (which needs to be a better-documented feature, since you can’t live without it) they go too fast to do anything for the atmosphere. Besides, those tokens (the general or ship) are far too stylized for the realistic look of the map.
Dotted lines showing an army’s recent movement would be handy too. They’d add to the long-term campaign feeling.
In practical terms, province borders and ownership colors work much better on stylized maps. Passes and chokepoints could be made more obvious (they don’t get enough use!). Big province names will also help orient us, especially on maps we aren’t familiar with. I remember more province names from the original Shogun than Rome, even though I was more familiar with the Roman era before playing. You could add news buttons, summaries, and other information to a stylized map itself without it looking out of place.
I hope that helps.
Domesticus
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
YES
I would love that. And also the old token-style of your armies and ships. Mainly because of the same reason carlisimo wrote in the post above mine. btw. +rep to carlisimo - those are all very good points.
AND TO MAKE THINGS ONCE AGAIN CLEAR - only the graphics would go old school - 3D improvements are still present!
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Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
Yes.
I havn't played STW or the original MTW, so an updated stylised 3D map sounds very interesting and different. I'm all for it. Carlisimo, you bring up some excellent points and I totally agree with you.
Senator
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
I think I'd prefer a stylistic map. The maps of NTW and ETW looked lacking I thought
Campidoctor
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
I could go with either, so long as it looked cool and clearly displayed all the information you needed.
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Campidoctor
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
NO WAY!!!! And yes, I know what CA means. But I love the NTW map and would hate to see them divert from making beautiful maps like that.
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Vicarius
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
I want the 3D maps but less vast and with less micro-mangement needed. Also what I REALLY would like is to be able to see my army like a little black cloud of ants on the campaign map instead of a giant titan representing them.
Evan
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
Yes to a old-school stylized map!
For three reasons;
1. Decisive battles which have a consequence, ie the loss or gain of a castle and province.
2. Gets rid of aimless stacks wandering around with no objectives fighting in pointless skirmishes.
3. Remember in Shogun and Medieval when your allies would help you in battles when they were in adjacent provinces?
Spirit Cleric
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
If the location on the map has absolutely zero relevance to what the battle looks like, then I would support this, under the condition that there are separate battle and siege maps. The former could involve defeating the occupying army, and then besieging the castle (which would receive a number of hastily raised levies), and the latter could either be the result of the former, or the defender could choose to withdraw in to the castle with all of his forces intact which would initiate the siege battle. Of course there could be modifiers, like if you choose the withdrawal option then there could be a chance of an ambush, or if you have a (#) star general then if you choose to withdraw then it could result in perhaps ambushing the oncoming army. If a return to the 2D map system was implemented then CA would need to consider adding variables to jazz it up a bit, but overall I agree with the idea. The AI would actually be able to comprehend it effectively rather than the countless number of options and modifiers it has to consider on the fully 3D map of the previous incarnations of TW.
If they were being really ambitious then they could make it possible to toggle between the 2D and 3D map when starting up a new campaign (although not possible to change once the game has begun).
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
"If we (CA) found a way to preserve all the functionality and features of the 3D style campaign maps (ETW / NTW) and designed a new stylistic map with a more iconic look (STW / MTW) would you be in favor?"
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Tiro
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
NO
Spirit Cleric
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
In which case, I support it then.
Protector Domesticus
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
2d map? Lol. Even if 75% of the hardcore (fans, what else?) would want it, CA wouldn't make it anyway. 2d in the 3d decade...
[Col] RO Citizen
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
It could still be 3d, but it would look fake (like a map or model in a general’s war room) rather than looking like a landscape painting or satellite image. Maybe like a paper map with toy mountains, bridges, fortresses, and army markers sitting on top of it. Those would give it a 3d look. Or you could push up the raised areas, as if you had started with the ETW map and re-skinned it to look like paper (with contour lines and stuff).
The question is basically, do you want a war room look, or a God’s-eye-view? Which feels more appropriate?
Vicarius Provinciae
Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
The simple fact is, the AI in previous TW games has been too dumb for a 3D map. Hopefully this time it will be better, but we have hoped that for every new TW game...
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Board-game style was so Imperial Glory...
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Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?
NO NO NO NO NO!~!
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