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    Default The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    Dear All,

    This is an interesting thread.

    Please note: The question I am about to ask is hypothetical and should not be taken to indicate the direction of Shogun 2's campaign map.

    We are, however, interested in your opinions for future TW games, so:

    "If we (CA) found a way to preserve all the functionality and features of the 3D style campaign maps (ETW / NTW) and designed a new stylistic map with a more iconic look (STW / MTW) would you be in favor?"


    Please do answer yes or no, with a brief reason as to why.

    Again, this is not in relation to Shogun 2, we're just keen to hear the communities feedback for future projects. We do think you'll be excited when you see the new Shogun 2 campaign map...

    Kind regards,
    Kieran

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    NOOOOOOOO00000000. Keep the beautiful 3D maps please! The paper maps would be a step back and belong in a time when 3D maps the likes of NTW were simply not possible.
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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    NO

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    Just to be clear, no to a 2d paper map or no to a map with "all the functionality and features of the 3D style campaign maps (ETW / NTW) and designed a new stylistic map with a more iconic look (STW / MTW)".

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    I'm sorry but the 3D map is almost 10 years of totalwar evolution I do not want to see the return of the 2D maps period. So the answer is a big fat NO!

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    As I put on the yuku site:

    My answer is YES for the stylistic map. Reason is simply moddability. If the 3d maps of ETW/NTW were open to modding either by tools or just a simple tutorial then I'd say keep the 3D maps. Of course you could easily change my answer by saying that even a stylistic map would be unmoddable then my answer would be neither yes or no to a map change.

    The whole allure for me to the TW games are the replayability of the title. If I cannot mod the map or other aspects then replayability drops to zero and the game goes on the shelf after just a few weeks of play. I still have STW and RTW for the fact that they are so easily modded and I can play a virtually new game each time I mod them. ETW/NTW both are in a box and don't even know where they are now since I am now bored of the current state of them. Simple unit stat changes to units only go so far.
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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    Hm... interesting. 3d maps are good if done properly. In TW titles they're done 50/50. They don't really look that good but I don't think 2d maps would be better. Maybe if the 2d maps would make it that army's move from region to region... but then again there should be a lot of regions... not just city's and castles but fields and stuff like that. Then YES definitely. But if things stay like now then NO!

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    no way man!
    whats that kind of choice?

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    I'm not a big fan of the 3d campaign maps, though I don't think they should go back to old 2d maps exactly. It would be best to see something completely new and redesigned. I really don't like how cartoony the campaign maps have gotten. I also would like to see the terrain more clearly defined on the campaign map so that it really correlates to what you end up seeing on the battle map.

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    It's perfectly possible to make a very good mix of 2d and 3d map, of art and satellite view of the surface. The two can blend together perfectly. Nothing wrong with innovation, CA.
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    the more realistic the better, but still with a touch of TW'ism

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reiksmarshal View Post
    I'm sorry but the 3D map is almost 10 years of totalwar evolution I do not want to see the return of the 2D maps period. So the answer is a big fat NO!
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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    Quote Originally Posted by eregost View Post
    NOOOOOOOO00000000. Keep the beautiful 3D maps please! The paper maps would be a step back and belong in a time when 3D maps the likes of NTW were simply not possible.
    agreed...

    the old map were way too simple imo

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    keep the 3D maps!!

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    A modernised and revolutionised classic map look would be welcomed by me, but only as AN OPTION. I can not give up my love for the 3D maps, without a doubt.

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    I dont think you guys get it. It will still be 3D like now, just looks more stylized, like the paper map of shogun, but still 3D and all. Probably something similar as Aristeia, but a lot more stylized to the eras art/atmosphere.

    edit; i think it would be great, adds some more atmosphere to the game, instead of the boring space look
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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    100% realistic

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    Simply, No.

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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    Simply, No.
    ^ this. How are we going to use choke points, ambush points, forests etc with a 2d map?
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    Default Re: The new map: do you want an old school campaign map?

    For me, they should even go back to the risiko map.
    I've lost many campaigns with Shogun and Med1.
    Since the 3d map, CAI has just been a complete fail, a game after the other. So yes, if even this time they are not able to provide a decent AI, please go back to a simpler one.



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