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    Default Can we be civil and avoid the word Jap here please?

    Gosh folks, I know it's not a big deal for 99.99% of you, especially since the people of Japan are not known as a big market for PC strategy games, but honestly the word "Jap" is horribly racist to a Japanese American. The word "Jap" was used as a pejorative especially during WW2, and there were ridiculous cartoons that were created that persisted until the early seventies. Japs were rounded up and placed into internment camps i.e. concentration camps during WW2, and many of the sons of internees fought in WW2 since they were patriotic Americans.

    I've heard the rationale that people are saying jap as an abbreviation of Japanese, just as Brit is used for the British. Sorry, I won't buy it, and even so, it's really really rude. It's not funny anymore.

    For people who know me personally, I'm pretty easy going, but it is tiresome when I see this in 2010 especially written by very intelligent folks who play these cerebral games.

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    Kinda like calling a swede a swede?
    I've no problem with that, what's the big deal? you are japanese, why hide it?

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    Japs...

    THE TERM JAP WAS INVENTED BY A ING MORON IN MADISON STREET USING A CARTONISHED JAPANESE IN A POOR ATTEMP TO SELL CHEAP FILTHY SOAP !!!!!

    THE JAPANESE SOLDIER HAS BEEN FIGHTING SINCE YOU WERE USING DIPPERS!!!!!


    THE JAPANESE SOLDIER IS A RUTHLESS, FIERCE FEARLESS SOLDIER THAT WILL NOT DISCARD THE OPORTUNITY TO DIE IF HE CAN TAKE AS MANY OF YOU WITH HIM !!!!!!!!!

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    I'm hiding it with a name like Nakandakari and posting 100 Japanese items to the this forum in the last three days? What?

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    Default Re: Can we be civil and avoid the word Jap here please?

    well, isn't it like calling a Swede a Swede?

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    lol.. Seriously, you should try to grow a thicker skin. If you're already offended by that, no telling what damage will be done to you in the real world.

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    Some of the cartoons persisted in being on television even during my childhood.


    Is Swede a pejorative term? It's not a word I've ever used.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

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    Calling a Japanese person a 'Jap' is akin to a Brit calling a Pakistani or anyone from the Indian sub continent a '' or a Black man a 'N' word. It is just not acceptable in this day and age.

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    Default Re: Can we be civil and avoid the word Jap here please?

    "Is Swede a pejorative term?"

    No, it is who we are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg View Post
    "Is Swede a pejorative term?"

    No, it is who we are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_people

    It is a bit different, as Swedes were a northern German ancient tribe that lived in the modern parts of Sweden..But there isn't anything such as <<Japs>> people...


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    Quote Originally Posted by KaRoU23 View Post
    But there isn't anything such as <<Japs>> people...
    Sure there are. They are the Japanese.

    Seriously, what are you getting worked up about? When you start finding abbreviations offensive, what's next? Not even to mention the fact that the vast majority of the people that use it on the forum here mean no offensive by it (because it's a flippin' abbreviation!!). An abbreviation can only hurt you if you let it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggreenfellow View Post
    Sure there are. They are the Japanese.

    Seriously, what are you getting worked up about? When you start finding abbreviations offensive, what's next? Not even to mention the fact that the vast majority of the people that use it on the forum here mean no offensive by it (because it's a flippin' abbreviation!!). An abbreviation can only hurt you if you let it..
    Umm I'm 47 years old. Your words don't hurt me, they're crass. If I said something that was pejorative against a entire group of people, I'd hope that someone would bring it to my attention. Clearly from the wiki article, Europeans just use the word, and mean nothing by it. Doesn't matter, it's just rude, and in a forum of intelligent folks, I hoped that we could have a discussion, without people telling me to just get over it. Sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggreenfellow View Post
    Sure there are. They are the Japanese.

    Seriously, what are you getting worked up about? When you start finding abbreviations offensive, what's next? Not even to mention the fact that the vast majority of the people that use it on the forum here mean no offensive by it (because it's a flippin' abbreviation!!). An abbreviation can only hurt you if you let it..
    I personally don't have such a great problem...

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "Jap" as an abbreviation for "Japanese" was in colloquial use in London around 1880.[3] An example of benign usage was the previous naming of Boondocks Road in Jefferson County, Texas, originally named "Jap Road" when it was built in 1905 to honor a popular local rice farmer from Japan.[4]
    Later popularized during World War II to describe those of Japanese descent, "Jap" was then commonly used in newspaper headlines to refer to the Japanese and Imperial Japan. "Jap" became a derogatory term during the war, more so than "Nip".[2] Some in the United States Marine Corps also tried to combine the word "Japs" with "Apes" to create a new description, "Japes", for the Japanese. However, this neologism never became popular.[2] Veteran and author Paul Fussell explains the usefulness of the word during the war for creating effective propaganda by saying that "Japs" "was a brisk monosyllable handy for slogans like 'Rap the Jap' or 'Let's Blast the Jap Clean Off the Map'".[2]
    In the United States and Canada, the term is now considered derogatory; Webster's Dictionary notes it is "usually disparaging".[5] In the United Kingdom it is considered derogatory, and the Oxford dictionary defines it as offensive.[6]
    In 2003, the Japanese deputy ambassador to the United Nations, Yoshiyuki Motomura, protested the North Korean ambassador's use of the term in retaliation for a Japanese diplomat's use of the term "North Korea" instead of the official name, "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".[7] In Texas, under pressure from civil rights groups, Jefferson County commissioners in 2004 decided to drop the name "Jap Road" from a 4.3-mile road near the city of Beaumont. Also in adjacent Orange County, "Jap Lane" has also been targeted by civil rights groups.[8] The road was originally named for the contributions of Kichimatsu Kishi and the farming colony he founded. And in Arizona, the state department of transportation renamed "Jap Road" near Topock, Arizona to "Bonzai Slough Road" to note the presence of Japanese agricultural workers and family-owned farms along the Colorado River there in the early 20th century.


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    Default Re: Can we be civil and avoid the word Jap here please?

    Dude just brush it off, it's just a shortened version of Japanese and has lost most of its racist stigma


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    Default Re: Can we be civil and avoid the word Jap here please?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biggreenfellow View Post
    Sure there are. They are the Japanese.

    Seriously, what are you getting worked up about? When you start finding abbreviations offensive, what's next? Not even to mention the fact that the vast majority of the people that use it on the forum here mean no offensive by it (because it's a flippin' abbreviation!!). An abbreviation can only hurt you if you let it..
    Personally, I really don't care much about the word Jap. Most people nowadays doesn't even seem to know it was a derogatory word. But the way I see it the issue is that this certain abbreviation was primarily used in a pejorative way in the past. AFAIK Brit or Swede were never used in that sense.

    A similar example; in Japan, the derogatory term for a Korean is "Chon". Chon is just a abbreviation of the word Chousen-Jin, the word for someone from Korea, but it is nonetheless equivalent to the N word for the blacks. If a politician used this word in TV, his social career would be finished even before he finish saying the word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alki View Post
    Calling a Japanese person a 'Jap' is akin to a Brit calling a Pakistani or anyone from the Indian sub continent a '' or a Black man a 'N' word. It is just not acceptable in this day and age.
    Why did you isolate this to a British person saying it? I find that more offensive than the whole thread


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    Default Re: Can we be civil and avoid the word Jap here please?

    Okay new Total War title: Mali Total War. People get excited, and just start using the N word to describe the local people. Get it now? It's offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakandakari Lobato View Post
    Okay new Total War title: Mali Total War. People get excited, and just start using the N word to describe the local people. Get it now? It's offensive.
    Not really, we would use the word Mali's short for Malinese.

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    Completely agree with the OP, it's rascist and has lots of derogative historial connotations. Stop using it.

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