CA to announce new TW game at E3

[emperor77]

Rome 2 would've been a lot more awesome, but i guess they want to continue their new tradition of releasing games of unambitious and small scale, they say that the land STILL FEELS HUUUGE!!!! but it will never feel like you're conquering the world.

[St Naffatun]

I don't understand some of you guys. Why are you so ignorant when it comes to asian history. The Roman period is great, I have to admit but just give Shogun 2 a chance. The samurai's are awesome. After all they have a warrior code, something that romans didn't have.

I think a lot of old school TW players will think "If they fight like men in the game np, if there's guns forget it". The demo will decide...

[emperor77]

I think i'm still gonna get Shogun 2 tho, i just love feudal Japan.

[charles the hammer]

We are not ignorant of asian history we just do not care. I find it uninteresting I know some asian history and to me it is just boring.

[Drowsy]

I think a lot of old school TW players will think "If they fight like men in the game np, if there's guns forget it". The demo will decide...

Not per se, but after having bought ETW and NTW, most definitely Could be awesome though when introduced in the later stages of the era's development, but like you said...

[Duffo]

Maybe it's good that Rome2 will come later (if it comes) as then there are supercomputers wich can handle 100 000 battles! Just wondering...

[Fabricus]

If Rome 2 ever comes, I want there to be less battles but more decisive battles, lets say you defeat the enemy army and instead of taking the enemies kingdom city by city with siege take it by destroying their armies in the field. There is so mucy room for a better game for Classical Roman timeframe.

On another note, thinking about Shogun II, I do like Japanese history, and Samurai are cool, no doubt about that, but the hero things worries me...that just sounds stupid. But if they make the game modable, a realism mod could be made...anyway, I was really expecting Rome total war II...sigh, and instead of the gladius, I have to ready the katana. Its just hard to switch gears so fast.

[Emperor Domitianus]

I was basing my post on things you have said previously in this thread, which suggest you only know about roman history. Numerous times you have said empires and cultures created by the mongols, the chines, the japanese and numerous other nations have had basically no affect on how the world has turned out. You constantly say that other cultures are stupid and show no respect for them, i understand you are a big fan of roman history, but there is no need to be so disrespectful to everything else in existence. You also seem to imply that nothing happened anywhere in the world other than rome, which suggests a limited knowledge of other areas of history. And stop double/triple posting.

Probably you misanderstood my words.
I didn't mean nothing happened or other cultures are worthless as I stated that other TW games have alot to deal with more varieties of cultures especially Rome.
Our western civilization is the result of what happened in Europe starting from Roman age and later.
Sorry if I double post. It happens as while I am answering another post appear.

Dude ETW was a horrible game I mean I am no fan of gunpowder era but the game was just bad. NTW was good considering I did not like it but that was because I do not like gunpowder era that much but NTW was a decent to good game ETW was a terrible cruel joke.

Probably I find ETW/NTW better because I bought all additions by CA. However aside by this I think ETW/NTW is good as I like muskets and I like the new engine more. I think that they have achieved a good engine.

I think a lot of old school TW players will think "If they fight like men in the game np, if there's guns forget it". The demo will decide...

A demo for sure will give us more clues. However I doubt it will convince me to buy shogun.

[SMoVader]

I think it's a good idea tbh, Shogun was always a bit too basic for me after I had started on MTW and I do like Japanese culture so I really hope they make a good game out of this . I didn't even bother buying ETW or NTW after trying ETW at a friend's place and reading about them both, I'll await reviews on this new game but for now I'm eagerly waiting for RS2 .

[emperor77]

...but for now I'm eagerly waiting for RS2 .

Indeed

[DarthLazy]

Our western civilization is the result of what happened in Europe starting from Roman age and later.
Sorry if I double post. It happens as while I am answering another post appear.

Your european knowledge is the result of countless inventions of the chinese and the knowledge of the Romans and Greeks being safeguarded and developed beyond imagination by the arabs in the 7th-15th centuries only to be destroyed by Mogol invaders. Bias makes up 90% of your arguments now. Read up on other civs before commenting on them. I get it that you want Rome 2 . Its ok I also preferred a Rome 2. But to say that every other culture beside Rome is insignificant and that the chinese and aztecs were next to nothing is pure Nazi Racism. I do not know if your actual intentions were rascist or not, im no mind reader, but the way you presented it it looke for sure that you were hitlers reincarnation.

[Killerbee]

Shogun 2 is gooood

[Drusus]

Your european knowledge is the result of countless inventions of the chinese and the knowledge of the Romans and Greeks being safeguarded and developed beyond imagination by the arabs in the 7th-15th centuries only to be destroyed by Mogol invaders. Bias makes up 90% of your arguments now. Read up on other civs before commenting on them. I get it that you want Rome 2 . Its ok I also preferred a Rome 2. But to say that every other culture beside Rome is insignificant and that the chinese and aztecs were next to nothing is pure Nazi Racism. I do not know if your actual intentions were rascist or not, im no mind reader, but the way you presented it it looke for sure that you were hitlers reincarnation.

Do you have no arguments or why do you compare someone with Hitler?
I think that an asian based TW would be nice, but it should be like the mod All Under Heaven.
The mongols, chinese, Koreans and more should be involved. But in Shogun we will have only Japan.
That is the reason why I would prefer R2TW to S2TW. In R2TW the whole mediterranean world would play a majore role.

[ray243]

Again my friend, you are misanderstending my words. I am not a white supremacist nor nazist. I am not saying that the hystory of the world is not important compared to Roman-Greek. I am only saying that shogun involves only 1 people, 1 nation, 1 place. Rome as Medieval and ETW/NTW involves multiple of them so it would be more interesting.
ETW for example involves American indians which are often forgotten by hystory. ETW involves even India and the struggle against British expansionism. Medival time have struggle beetwen east and west, christinity vs Islam and eretics.
Rome have Romans, Greeks, Celts, nordic people, Phoenicians (Carthage), Egyptians, Persians just to name some.
Do you still think I am a racist? I don't think you and others understand my words.

ETW a failure? A failure becasue you can't mod it. Not modding is not a justification. ETW is a great title as NTW. Shogun was made 10 years past and so? It was the prototype for a new genre of wargames. That's all. Sincerely as it was the first this doesn't mean it's more important than other better possibilities.

If the reason you don't like a remake of Shogun Total war is because of the lack of diversity, then say it out right. So I take it that you will be open minded to a game that covers the whole of East and South Asia?

The way you express yourself and the way you dismiss the history of the non-European people simply make us think that you are some sort of ethnic supremacist.

[Emperor Domitianus]

Your european knowledge is the result of countless inventions of the chinese and the knowledge of the Romans and Greeks being safeguarded and developed beyond imagination by the arabs in the 7th-15th centuries only to be destroyed by Mogol invaders. Bias makes up 90% of your arguments now. Read up on other civs before commenting on them. I get it that you want Rome 2 . Its ok I also preferred a Rome 2. But to say that every other culture beside Rome is insignificant and that the chinese and aztecs were next to nothing is pure Nazi Racism. I do not know if your actual intentions were rascist or not, im no mind reader, but the way you presented it it looke for sure that you were hitlers reincarnation.

Well again comparing a man you don't know to a nazi or hitler is not a good behaiour. And again I am not saying other cultures are insignificant. I said that western civ has alot to thank Romans.
About the game I am not saying that japanese culture is insignificant as I stated I like it. I wanted to focus on the fact that making a game based on 16th century medieval japan would close to the game to the variety it could have had in R2TW. Shogun will be just Japan and nothing else. They will probably release a DLC with Korea or Mongols but will still be too reductive in matter of diversification.

Do you have no arguments or why do you compare someone with Hitler?
I think that an asian based TW would be nice, but it should be like the mod All Under Heaven.
The mongols, chinese, Koreans and more should be involved. But in Shogun we will have only Japan.
That is the reason why I would prefer R2TW to S2TW. In R2TW the whole mediterranean world would play a majore role.

I agree with you. It's a pity people easily compare someone to hitler so easily.
R2TW would have been better for the reason you are saying which is really at the core of my arguing.

If the reason you don't like a remake of Shogun Total war is because of the lack of diversity, then say it out right. So I take it that you will be open minded to a game that covers the whole of East and South Asia?

The way you express yourself and the way you dismiss the history of the non-European people simply make us think that you are some sort of ethnic supremacist.

People can easily think about racism as it's easier to classify someone as racist instead of reading beyond the lines. I wanted to expresse exactly what you say about lack of diversification in a game based on the 16th feudal japan during which as far as I know they didn't had contact with other nations in matter of war and ect making the game strictly based on the japanese civil war.

[Caligula Caesar]

Can we leave Hitler and the Nazis out of this, please? It is a bit silly to call someone like him a Nazi, as he is not saying all other people are stupid and should die, just that their history is not important. There is a difference. Anyone from Germany must be cringing at this thread. Oh, and there are a lot of Nationalist Regimes which are better comparable, ie "we want independance and nothing to do with them". An example close to (my) home: The Scottish National Party. Iirc they are in power in Scotland.

I'd say, though, that the utter disrespect for the history of Japan and the East is either sheer ignorance or racism, though (even if you have recently changed track somewhat). Just as Roman history is more interesting for you, Japanese history is more interesting for them, and I can't see what will turn the Japanese on about Ancient Rome, at least not on a large scale. Why should CA cater for you instead of for them? Its next game will be targeted at east Asia, and the game after that will likely be back in the west, unless they have expansions. And if R2 comes out in 3 years, hopefully by then they will have their act together again, and if Shogun 2 is a success, they will be able to hire good people for it. So perhaps you could tone down your arguments? Calling Japan a "silly island" won't help - I could call Italy a silly leg-shaped peninsular from which a silly people went around conquering the world - and they failed, in the end. The Huns from Mongolia arrived, and drove the Germans into the Roman Empire, destroying them after hundreds of years of internal strife.

Anyway, enough about Rome and ED. Shogun actually sounds quite good. I trust CA to at least make the units look good. I can't wait for pics of Samurai And I hope they make Japanese buildings and stuff. And besides, some of the things they did for their latest releases sound good, so I'm looking forward to them being implemented in a more ancient era.

The one failing is, that as ED has said, it is a limited scale with limited different cultures. I am not too familiar with Japanese history, but I think there were some differences between the North and South. But it would have been nice if they could at least expand to China and Mongolia, and maybe even India. Heck, I wouldn't have minded if the Dutch and Portuguese were represented in Malaysia and other places.

Btw, hero units could turn out well, if they are done well. There were heros in this period.

[Gromovnik]

Your european knowledge is the result of countless inventions of the chinese and the knowledge of the Romans and Greeks being safeguarded and developed beyond imagination by the arabs in the 7th-15th centuries only to be destroyed by Mogol invaders. Bias makes up 90% of your arguments now. Read up on other civs before commenting on them. I get it that you want Rome 2 . Its ok I also preferred a Rome 2. But to say that every other culture beside Rome is insignificant and that the chinese and aztecs were next to nothing is pure Nazi Racism. I do not know if your actual intentions were rascist or not, im no mind reader, but the way you presented it it looke for sure that you were hitlers reincarnation.

you know, your posts are quite racist. And BTW. Hitler wasn't into Rome at all. So maybe you could do some reading before you call people nazies based on their gaming preferences.

[ReD_OcToBeR]

Well I see this has just turned into TW Center: Total War, Beta 1.0 Calm down people, it's only a game in the end. Give your fingers a rest.

[Emperor Domitianus]

Can we leave Hitler and the Nazis out of this, please? It is a bit silly to call someone like him a Nazi, as he is not saying all other people are stupid and should die, just that their history is not important. There is a difference. Anyone from Germany must be cringing at this thread. Oh, and there are a lot of Nationalist Regimes which are better comparable, ie "we want independance and nothing to do with them". An example close to (my) home: The Scottish National Party. Iirc they are in power in Scotland.

I'd say, though, that the utter disrespect for the history of Japan and the East is either sheer ignorance or racism, though (even if you have recently changed track somewhat). Just as Roman history is more interesting for you, Japanese history is more interesting for them, and I can't see what will turn the Japanese on about Ancient Rome, at least not on a large scale. Why should CA cater for you instead of for them? Its next game will be targeted at east Asia, and the game after that will likely be back in the west, unless they have expansions. And if R2 comes out in 3 years, hopefully by then they will have their act together again, and if Shogun 2 is a success, they will be able to hire good people for it. So perhaps you could tone down your arguments? Calling Japan a "silly island" won't help - I could call Italy a silly leg-shaped peninsular from which a silly people went around conquering the world - and they failed, in the end. The Huns from Mongolia arrived, and drove the Germans into the Roman Empire, destroying them after hundreds of years of internal strife.

Anyway, enough about Rome and ED. Shogun actually sounds quite good. I trust CA to at least make the units look good. I can't wait for pics of Samurai And I hope they make Japanese buildings and stuff. And besides, some of the things they did for their latest releases sound good, so I'm looking forward to them being implemented in a more ancient era.

The one failing is, that as ED has said, it is a limited scale with limited different cultures. I am not too familiar with Japanese history, but I think there were some differences between the North and South. But it would have been nice if they could at least expand to China and Mongolia, and maybe even India. Heck, I wouldn't have minded if the Dutch and Portuguese were represented in Malaysia and other places.

Btw, hero units could turn out well, if they are done well. There were heros in this period.

I wasn't saying japan is a silly island. I was only saying the world on shogun 2 will be limited to an island instead to a continent.
Romans were more of what you just said and other the fall it was a bit different from what you said and there were other problems especially on the religious side and stupid cristian emperors who made alot of mistakes. I am not going to confront japan to Rome as they are completely different especially in the time line (more than 1000 years of difference).
I am happy you have understood that I was speaking about the too much restrictions in matter of "world" and possibilities. I don't believe that they have chosen shogun to please eastern people but I think there are other reasons.

[dcmort93]

How bout we all look at Shogun 2 as a small scale test for Rome 2. Think about it. The map is smaller and there are only 8 factions so that they can do a large small scale test of the engine for Rome 2 or something even better. I still do think that CA should do what Treyarch is doing with CoD: Black Opps and do a long open beta and do opinion polls as to what we the community actually want to see but I seriously doubt it will happen