EU vs US

[removeduser_4536284751384]

if a real full scale convetional war broke out between the US and someone with a decent army, most of the US navy would be destroyed quite fast. They're all big lumbering surface ships. Just look what happened hte Brits in the falklands. Many ships lost to only a small number of exocets.

Their submarines would probably be fine though.

EDIT: The first 2 pages of this thread, including this post, are merged from other threads.

[Farnan]

if a real full scale convetional war broke out between the US and someone with a decent army, most of the US navy would be destroyed quite fast. They're all big lumbering surface ships. Just look what happened hte Brits in the falklands. Many ships lost to only a small number of exocets.

Their submarines would probably be fine though.

Am I the only one that sees a problem with that?

And think his whole statement is pretty stupid? Especially as the British Naval Task Force was no where near as powerful as a Carrier Strike Group.

[torongill]

Am I the only one that sees a problem with that?

And think his whole statement is pretty stupid? Especially as the British Naval Task Force was no where near as powerful as a Carrier Strike Group.

apparently decent army means one that is equipped with the best ASMs Russia has, has a strike aicraft/bomber fleet capable of carrying them and the fighter fleet that is capable of piercing the CAP.

[Farnan]

apparently decent army means one that is equipped with the best ASMs Russia has, has a strike aicraft/bomber fleet capable of carrying them and the fighter fleet that is capable of piercing the CAP.

And knowing all this we decided only to send one out of our 11 CSGs...

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Am I the only one that sees a problem with that?

And think his whole statement is pretty stupid? Especially as the British Naval Task Force was no where near as powerful as a Carrier Strike Group.

if they went to war with a coalition of Eu nations they would be slaughtered

of course that is never going to happen, but if it did, they would be. Not that that EU coaltition could ever invade the US, but they would destroy the US military

[Farnan]

Afghanistan is landlocked, so where do the ships go?

Planes can fly a large distance. And its not only allied shipping that goes into and out of Pakistan...

Ireland: No, not really. No one but the US even has super carriers. There is no EU defence structure anyways.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Ireland: No, not really. No one but the US even has super carriers. There is no EU defence structure anyways.

if the USA decided to invade some country in Western Europe, for whatever reason, they would be slaughtered. The combined army of all EU nations it twice as large as the USA, and I bet their frontline forces are even more than twice as large. If you combine all the air forces of EU nations they have 3,523 fighters, vs 2,132 US fighters. The US army and marine corps combined have 5,970 tanks, all EU ground forces combined have 6,775. Note that all tanks operated by the EU and US can penetrate each other in one hit, unless they hit the turret front. Of course, US tank crew are probably better. The US navy has 11 aircraft carriers, combined EU navies have 7, although they are smaller and worse. Of course the combined EU military has better anti ship capabilities.

Of course the armies that would slaughter the US can only really operate in Europe due to lack of the huge logistal support base that the US has.

[justicar5]

Ireland: No, not really. No one but the US even has super carriers. There is no EU defence structure anyways.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles...rcraft_carrier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Queen_Elizabeth_(CVF)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Prince_of_Wales_(CVF)


They do have the most, but saying only is pushing definitions a bit.

[Farnan]

if the USA decided to invade some country in Western Europe, for whatever reason, they would be slaughtered. The combined army of all EU nations it twice as large as the USA, and I bet their frontline forces are even more than twice as large. If you combine all the air forces of EU nations they have 3,523 fighters, vs 2,132 US fighters. The US army and marine corps combined have 5,970 tanks, all EU ground forces combined have 6,775. Note that all tanks operated by the EU and US can penetrate each other in one hit, unless they hit the turret front. Of course, US tank crew are probably better. The US navy has 11 aircraft carriers, combined EU navies have 7, although they are smaller and worse. Of course the combined EU military has better anti ship capabilities.

Of course the armies that would slaughter the US can only really operate in Europe due to lack of the huge logistal support base that the US has.

As I said in the other thread, the US has more like 2,900+ fighters. That 2,132 number is less than in the USAF alone.

Justicar: Those are not super carriers. The Charles De Gaulle is a medium carrier, the Queen Elizabeth isn't built yet nor is the Prince of Wales.

[Heinz Guderian]

They all sink the same way Farnan. Downwards

[Farnan]

They all sink the same way Farnan. Downwards

Don't make us steal credit for another intelligence coup, like capturing the enigma machine. We will do it...

[removeduser_4536284751384]

As I said in the other thread, the US has more like 2,900+ fighters. That 2,132 number is less than in the USAF alone.

oh right including the novy

well I imagine most of those will be dead when all the us carriers anywhere near europe are simultaneously sunk, but assuming they aren't, they won't make much of a difference, european missiles are far better

US would not be able to beat the combined EU military

[Heinz Guderian]

Ok lets not do this EU vs US thing

[justicar5]

oh right including the novy

well I imagine most of those will be dead when all the us carriers anywhere near europe are simultaneously sunk, but assuming they aren't, they won't make much of a difference, european missiles are far better

US would not be able to beat the combined EU military

Not a forgone conclusion, the home field advantage would favour the EU (Shorter supply lines for a start, but a Carrier Battle Group is a massivly powerful force, and the US has 11, also our subs aren't invisile, they can be sunk by well equiped and well trained ASW teams.

[Farnan]

Yea, let's not assume that Hogwarts is real and the British can use magic to sink the US Navy simountaneously.

[justicar5]

Yea, let's not assume that Hogwarts is real and the British can use magic to sink the US Navy simountaneously.

LOL, the Royal NAvy dies have better torpedoes than the american navy mind (The Spearfish) Capable oif 80 knots (yes Eighty.) With a 300kg warhead. Compared the the MK 48 (55 knots with a 295kg warhead) WE WIN TOP TRUMPS

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Yea, let's not assume that Hogwarts is real and the British can use magic to sink the US Navy simountaneously.

Britain has quite bad anti-ship capabilities. It would be France.

I would like to see a carrier battle group resist 1,000 anti-ship missiles (Yes, France alone has enough anti-ship missiles to do that to all 11 carrier battle groups and then some. Italy, Sweden, Britain and Norway could also do it). Currently they can only counter a maximum of 100 effectively with aegis and CIWS. Of course, only a small number of those could destroy a warship in one hit, but with so many, they would make it through, and if they didn't that many hits from the smaller missiles would knock out a us warship.

[Farnan]

LOL, the Royal NAvy dies have better torpedoes than the american navy mind (The Spearfish) Capable oif 80 knots (yes Eighty.) With a 300kg warhead. Compared the the MK 48 (55 knots with a 295kg warhead) WE WIN TOP TRUMPS

Its not about the size of the torpedo but how you use it.

Again Ireland, we'll assuming magic doesn't exist and the Paris School of Wizardy and Witchcraft doesn't exist.

[Dr. Croccer]

if they went to war with a coalition of Eu nations they would be slaughtered

of course that is never going to happen, but if it did, they would be. Not that that EU coaltition could ever invade the US, but they would destroy the US military

The EU has 7 carriers, the US 12. In terms of navy and air the US has a massive advantage over the EU. The EU has a lot of military potential, and in theory could become military superior to the US.

[torongill]

LOL, the Royal NAvy dies have better torpedoes than the american navy mind (The Spearfish) Capable oif 80 knots (yes Eighty.) With a 300kg warhead. Compared the the MK 48 (55 knots with a 295kg warhead) WE WIN TOP TRUMPS

Come again?