Constantine Campaign Information

[MathiasOfAthens]

Ok I have added those characters you suggested along with their wives and children that I found off of Wiki.

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

Great! this mod looks like it will be a complete success. Good luck!

[Asnus]

In the Mountain region of Northern Spain are the Vascones et Catabri

Why this? Did they played any role in 407?

[MathiasOfAthens]

Nothing serious but they were there.

[Asnus]

But to be a faction? Or be independent? And the Cantabri in the IV century?

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

vascones et catabri... you mean the basques?

[MathiasOfAthens]

Bump

Update to first post. Redesigned the map excluded most of spain. New faction list and more.

Map is prob 90 percent complete. Just need to fix some mountains that look funky.

Rest that needs to be done is the units. Midnight will be porting units from the upcoming Britannia campaign as well as create some new units. So that shouldnt take too long the new factions just need about 5-8 units each.

[Vannius]

Hi Mathias, I just would like to ask you what is that settlement on the map in the land of Quadi called Nitria? Where did you find that name? Im asking because Nitra is a town in Slovakia with quite rich history, but I have never heart that it existed also in the Roman period (that does not mean that it didnt exist). I just would like to know what was your source of information about this settlement, if you dont mind.

And one suggestion. I dont know much about the settlements of Danubian Lowland in "Roman Slovakia" but there is one which was known by Ptolemy too. According to Ptolemy in the land of Quadi was settlement called Leukaristos. From the Roman epigraphic source we know that in the winter 179/180, during the Marcomannic wars, unit of 855 soldiers from Aquincum (Legio II Adiutrix) was garrisoned here under the command of lagatus Marcus Valerius Maximianus. The name of Laugaritio is mentioned also on the stele from Zana (Diana Veteranorum) in Algeria.

If the Nitria from your map is really present Nitra, Laugaritio shoud be approximately hundred kilometres to the north...

It is just a suggestion in the case that you didnt know about Laugaritio and you would like to include the settlement which is historicaly recorded in three sources (minimally).

Good Luck with this submod

[MathiasOfAthens]

Took me a long time to research these names up there. I found place names from google maps then checked wiki for its history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitra#History
Inhabited for 6,000 years,[2] Nitra has been a city of extraordinary historic importance. A large Celtic settlement was founded in the 4th century BCE in the locality Martinský vrch. Nitra is later (396 CE) mentioned in connection to the Germanic tribe of Quadi, as their possible capital.

Above the history section is a topic on the origin of the name and I choose Nitria as the best for the time. But I could be wrong. The name according to wiki derives from Nitrahwa, a german name. Since the Quadi were East Germanic that might be the best name for this time period. Do you agree?

Is Leukaristos on the map though... I mean does the map extend that far north?

[Vannius]

Took me a long time to research these names up there. I found place names from google maps then checked wiki for its history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitra#History
Inhabited for 6,000 years,[2] Nitra has been a city of extraordinary historic importance. A large Celtic settlement was founded in the 4th century BCE in the locality Martinský vrch. Nitra is later (396 CE) mentioned in connection to the Germanic tribe of Quadi, as their possible capital.

Above the history section is a topic on the origin of the name and I choose Nitria as the best for the time. But I could be wrong. The name according to wiki derives from Nitrahwa, a german name. Since the Quadi were East Germanic that might be the best name for this time period. Do you agree?

Is Leukaristos on the map though... I mean does the map extend that far north?

Im not sure because there are some mountains missing (or they are not so high on the map?) so there are no orientation points which I could know...

But if the Ostrau on your map is modern Ostrava in Czech republic, I would say that Leukaristos is definitelly in the scope of this map...



And may I ask you whats the name of the easternmost city on the picture? It should be somewhere in Slovakia too... AND (I really dont want to mess up your work but Im trying to help) what is Posonium? It looks like it is in the area of Bratislava (Slovak capital)...

I agree about Nitra, It was the heart of early states in the territory of Slovakia... so it is highly possible it was an important center also in Roman period.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Its Bratislava. Possonium is the latin name for it and prob the name used at the time. The names in different languages are all pretty close to each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratislava#Names
The Slavs arrived in the 5-6th century but its not clear on when the name changed.

I do the mountains soon and get a picture of them... havnt touched them that much over here but I noticed a few from maps. I also switched Ostrava for Brunn modern Brno. I did a little looking on Wiki and it mentions several names for the city. Also describes how the name could have originated from a Celtic origin. So I thought the land might of been inhabited at this time... Can you think of a better name than Brunn though.

I put Leukaristos in and change the name of Nitria to the German name.

[Vannius]

Its Bratislava. Possonium is the latin name for it and prob the name used at the time. The names in different languages are all pretty close to each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratislava#Names
The Slavs arrived in the 5-6th century but its not clear on when the name changed.

I do the mountains soon and get a picture of them... havnt touched them that much over here but I noticed a few from maps. I also switched Ostrava for Brunn modern Brno. I did a little looking on Wiki and it mentions several names for the city. Also describes how the name could have originated from a Celtic origin. So I thought the land might of been inhabited at this time... Can you think of a better name than Brunn though.

I put Leukaristos in and change the name of Nitria to the German name.

Im not sure if Brno was important settlement (in wiki I have found that there were found some celtic artefacts) but I can try to find in other czech sites if there is some information...

About Bratislava, Im really afraid Possonium is rather medieval name. I have never heart about Bratislava as a city in ancient times though its location was quite important. We know about settlement Gerulata on the roman side of Danube (only ancient settlement in Slovakia, which was directly a part of Roman Empire and now it is a part of Bratislava). If you wish I can give you some more information about this I have a few books at home. It was probably the minor fort dependent on the Carnuntum, but there was also a village or just some kind oh settlement near the military camp.

On the Germanic side of Danube there were several stations (?). Remains were found in the center of the city and on the castle rock Devín which was for a long period important strategic point... Also remains of Roman station in Stupava (village) were found but this is not directly in Bratislava. So the result seems to be, that there were several settlements, but not the city. I can find some more information about this because Im not completly sure... If I will find nothing, Possonium is quite good compromise. I have doubts somebody will care about the name of settlement somewhere in the corner of the map.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Im not sure if Brno was important settlement (in wiki I have found that there were found some celtic artefacts) but I can try to find in other czech sites if there is some information...

About Bratislava, Im really afraid Possonium is rather medieval name. I have never heart about Bratislava as a city in ancient times though its location was quite important. We know about settlement Gerulata on the roman side of Danube (only ancient settlement in Slovakia, which was directly a part of Roman Empire and now it is a part of Bratislava). If you wish I can give you some more information about this I have a few books at home. It was probably the minor fort dependent on the Carnuntum, but there was also a village or just some kind oh settlement near the military camp.

On the Germanic side of Danube there were several stations (?). Remains were found in the center of the city and on the castle rock Devín which was for a long period important strategic point... Also remains of Roman station in Stupava (village) were found but this is not directly in Bratislava. So the result seems to be, that there were several settlements, but not the city. I can find some more information about this because Im not completly sure... If I will find nothing, Possonium is quite good compromise. I have doubts somebody will care about the name of settlement somewhere in the corner of the map.

I want the settlement on the opposite side of the danube... so Gerulata is out. Other than Possonium what other name would you go for. I have heard of Carnuntum before.

[Vannius]

I want the settlement on the opposite side of the danube... so Gerulata is out. Other than Possonium what other name would you go for. I have heard of Carnuntum before.

I really dont know ... I cannot just think up the name of nonexistent city , but I will try to read some articles in books which I have at home. Im now doing some research for Barbari Ante Portas so this is a part of my work this week...

And Carnuntum? You have Carnuntum already in the mod or not?

I would maybe suggest, that you dont have to include the settlement in the area of Bratislava. If yes Gerulata is not the problem i think, it is just on the other side of the river, but it was not so important and there are another important settlements like Brigetium. Brigetium is quite famous. Emperor Valentinian had died there for example and I think it was used as a base of the whole legion. It is on the Roman side of the river but I dont think this is a problem. On the map there is no settlement in the area and Possonium, in addition not important and even maybe nonexisting town, is maybe too close to Carnuntum.

On the Germanic side (in modern Slovakia) was quite large auxiliary camp called most likely Celemantia, but this one was dependend on the supplies from the Brigetium. I would definitelly include Brigetium to your map and remove Possonium, but it would be useful to see some maps before because Im not sure, if Brigetium is not too far to the east, but I doubt about this.

And what about that settlement to the east of Nitra?

[MathiasOfAthens]

I think I named that settlement Ill have to check.

Reason I want a region beyond the danube is because settlements on the Roman side shouldnt have their borders extend over the river. I want the borders to end at the river. I can remove Bratislava which by all accounts was prob just an unnamed fort or village at this time. It maybe had a total pop of 2000 at this time, idk. But it was definitely there, we know that for sure. The locals prob had a name for it but it got lost somewhere. Perhaps we can find the german name for it and take that.

If I remove it then I would just extend Nitras borders to the river line. But it be nice to include a major city today as some provincial backwater. A lot of modern day cities are on the map like Wien, Budapest, etc.


Carnuntum: From Wiki

In the 4th century, it was destroyed by Germanic invaders. Although partly restored by Valentinian I, it never regained its former importance, and Vindobona became the chief military center. Carnuntum was finally destroyed by the Hungarians in the Middle Ages.

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

Carnuntum was on the roman side of the danube in noricum

also, could you post more screenshots of gaul? that would be nice.

[MathiasOfAthens]

You asked if ATW had argentorum I believed... right? Well the focus on that mod wasnt in that area so we didnt have it. It is in this mod though.

I will post ss soon. I am getting very close to releasing a early beta of this.

BTW Vannius I have Theissholz (German name for the Slovakian town/city) for that far providence you asked about. Its a placeholder until I or anyone else can find a proper name for it. I choose that name for a reason but now I cant find the modern day city in that area. I have to search through my history for cities I read about.

[Magister Militum Flavius Aetius]

Well, The Romans simply called anything outside their borders barbaricum, or germania, so a lot of IBUR is simply called Germania

[MathiasOfAthens]

Yeah thats not completely true. There are a few maps drawn during the Roman Empire that give placenames... the locations are not always accurate though.

[Vannius]

I think I named that settlement Ill have to check.

Reason I want a region beyond the danube is because settlements on the Roman side shouldnt have their borders extend over the river. I want the borders to end at the river. I can remove Bratislava which by all accounts was prob just an unnamed fort or village at this time. It maybe had a total pop of 2000 at this time, idk. But it was definitely there, we know that for sure. The locals prob had a name for it but it got lost somewhere. Perhaps we can find the german name for it and take that.

If I remove it then I would just extend Nitras borders to the river line. But it be nice to include a major city today as some provincial backwater. A lot of modern day cities are on the map like Wien, Budapest, etc.


Carnuntum: From Wiki

As I said, in the area of modern Bratislava were few stations (or small strongly romanized or directly roman settlements) and one smaller (auxilliary) military camp with the civilian settlement. I know only one name and that is Gerulata... other names are unknown...