Identify that Tank/Ship/Plane/Artillery etc

[Nik]

The light cruiser Belgrano?

A Brooklyn class cruiser built in the naval build-up before the war, served in mainly in the pacific. Christened the USS Phoenix
Was moored in Pearl Harbor at the 7th of december, but escaped damage and was part of the panic respond of the US Navy in finding the japanese carrier force, luckily for this unit they never found anything.
Participated in the Battle of Surigao strait under Adm Oldenforf and was part of the force the sunk the Yamashiro.
Was sold after the war to argentinia and modernised .
In the Falkland wars, the Belgrano was sunk outside the british exclusion zone by HMS Conqueror with the loss of 323 crew members (700 were saved). She formed the center of a Task Force that was intended as the southern pincer (the northern pincer to be made by the sole (pre-RN) carrier of the argentine fleet.
Both the argentine and the english navies agreed that the sinking was legal, as the exclusion zone was mainly intended to keep third party ships out of the immideate combat zone, but any military ship was a legal target.

[Darkhorse]

Correct she was the only large warship that survived unhit in Pearl in '41. To be sunk in '82 in the Falklands War. She was outside the 200 mile excusion zone the British had set up but HMS Conqueror suck her in fear of losing track of the vessel after getting permission from London. This was deemed legal post war, and one of the many many arguements over the sinking was that the Argentines shouldn't have expected the British to stay inside the excusion zone (which was only a token measure). Belgrano's destroyer escorts didnt come in to pick up survivors in fear of being sunk themselves. this is the only time where a nuclear submarine has sunk another vessel. and one of only 3 times a ship has been sunk by submarine since the Second World War.

Your turn

[Nik]

What about this beauty?

[OTZ]

Almost looks like a D VIII...but I'm pretty sure the tail is wrong for it.

[Leonidas The Lion]

Morane-Saulnier Type L?

[OTZ]

Morane-Saulnier Type L?

Indeed!

Good choice of picture Nik - deceptive!

[Nik]

Gratulations to Leonidas, though historical background is still missing.
To fill that in, it was the first airplane of WWI that could shoot through its propeller. It did not have yet a synchronisation gear of Schneider or Fokker (interrupting the fire when the propeller blade is in the way), but an armored propeller with an additional wedge shape on the back side of the blade to deflect the mg-ammo even better.
The project was pushed forwared by Roland Garros, who even had the first version installed on his pale. He was shot down behind german lines in 1915 and the plane captured by german troops before he could destroy it. Anthony Fokker used that as an inspiration for his synchronisation gear, leading to the Fokker Scare of 1915/16.

The picture I used is from the captured plane, painted with german insignias.

[Leonidas The Lion]

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[Darkhorse]

37mm Pak 36. Lightweight Infantry AT gun which in the late 30's rivalled the British 2pdr and Czech Scoda 47mm for the title of the best AT gun in service. It was essentially a carridge mounted gun similar to the gun on the early Panzer III. the gun was pretty obselencant by 1940, and struggled to breah the armour of even the lighter French and British tank models. The gun was light, which kept it in service as a infantry fire support gun. It was also mounted on halftracks and aircraft. Its service life was extended by the development of a 50mm shaped charge rocket projectile which sloted over the barrel and was fired using a blank round. Late war, it was used once again by AT units to illuminate targets at night.

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EDIT: someone guessed before me

37mm Pak 36. Lightweight Infantry AT gun which in the late 30's rivalled the British 2pdr and Czech Scoda 47mm for the title of the best AT gun in service.

It's much weaker than a 2 pounder, the 2 pounder was the best light gun of the war despite being only 40 mm. It outclassed the Czech 47 mm.

[Leonidas The Lion]

37mm Pak 36. Lightweight Infantry AT gun which in the late 30's rivalled the British 2pdr and Czech Scoda 47mm for the title of the best AT gun in service. It was essentially a carridge mounted gun similar to the gun on the early Panzer III. the gun was pretty obselencant by 1940, and struggled to breah the armour of even the lighter French and British tank models. The gun was light, which kept it in service as a infantry fire support gun. It was also mounted on halftracks and aircraft. Its service life was extended by the development of a 50mm shaped charge rocket projectile which sloted over the barrel and was fired using a blank round. Late war, it was used once again by AT units to illuminate targets at night.

Correct.

[GeneralL]

Nice!

I actually read it in "Barbarossa: The First 7 Days" by Will Fowler...a single KV-2 tank stopped the 6th Panzer division in Riga for two days. It's probably here too:

http://www.wio.ru/tank/ww2tank.htm

This site is trying to claim that a handfull of KV and T-34 tanks did manage to stop two German armoured divisons, equiped with Tiger and Tiger II tanks ....

[Darkhorse]

Once again, at work so I cant use a picture. Sorry.

This vehicle is the most produced armoured vehicle in history. It was in service with every single nation involved in the 2WW. Allied and Axis. It was extremely popular with all users, and could go literally almost anywhere. Its offical title was almost never used, but was named after the weapons it carried. Most famously, a pair of light machine guns. Alhough, other variants had flamethrowers, heavier machine guns, mortars and AA cannon. It also towed the 17 pdr. IT was also often used as a tracked "portee system" for the 2 pdr, 25 pdr and 6pdr guns.

This site is trying to claim that a handfull of KV and T-34 tanks did manage to stop two German armoured divisons, equiped with Tiger and Tiger II tanks ....

Stranger things have happened. Looking at you Major Cain.

[OTZ]

Once again, at work so I cant use a picture. Sorry.

This vehicle is the most produced armoured vehicle in history. It was in service with every single nation involved in the 2WW. Allied and Axis. It was extremely popular with all users, and could go literally almost anywhere. Its offical title was almost never used, but was named after the weapons it carried. Most famously, a pair of light machine guns. Alhough, other variants had flamethrowers, heavier machine guns, mortars and AA cannon. It also towed the 17 pdr. IT was also often used as a tracked "portee system" for the 2 pdr, 25 pdr and 6pdr guns.

That would be the Universal (or Bren Gun) carrier!

I'll forgo my turn, as I to am at work. I have a few obsucre tank pics to post from home tonight!

[Darkhorse]

That would be correct

[Lysimachus]

This site is trying to claim that a handfull of KV and T-34 tanks did manage to stop two German armoured divisons, equiped with Tiger and Tiger II tanks ....

I have to admit, that link is quite hard to believe. Firstly, it's Russian (you can even see the bias in the language used,), and secondly the claims just seem impossible to believe. It states the following (regarding Sirota's example):

"The Germans were forced to use such trick: 50(!) tanks immitated an attack, so it became possible to set another 88mm flak, which managed to eliminate the tank after two days it held up the advance of the entire 6th Panzer Division."

Suffice to say, I think it would be impossible for one tank to hold up an entire tank division, considering the sheer number of troops. I'm under the impression that the basis of the story is true, just that the facts were intentionally botched up to exaggerate the events around it. Then later on in the same story, it states:

"By the Germans' accounts, the crew could have escaped easily several times before the final attack, but the heroes always chooses own fate..."

Which is typical of Russian "heroic" language. No matter how stubborn soldiers may have been, i'm pretty sure that the men in the tank would have withdrawn if they could have due to the sheer hopelessness of the situation and that other factors prevented such an action taking place. I took a brief look at the section on Wikipedia recalling this story and it seems to offer a more non-biased view of things, stating that at the Dubysa river, a single KV-2 tank pinned down elements of 6th Panzer Division (not the entire division) and that once it ran out of ammunition the crew abandoned the tank and withdrew. The apparent German view of events claims that the tank was a KV-1 and that after destroying a number of anti-tank guns, their crews and an 88mm gun, another one was deployed which was able to knock the crew unconscious upon which after regaining it they were killed by an exploding grenade.

I'm not saying that your link is incorrect (though a KV tank holding up an entire division is a logical fallacy in itself, and I suspect it has exaggerated a few factors) and that the Wiki is right, just that we need to take both with a pinch of salt, since extraordinary claims like this need to be dealt with carefully.

This vehicle is the most produced armoured vehicle in history. It was in service with every single nation involved in the 2WW. Allied and Axis. It was extremely popular with all users, and could go literally almost anywhere. Its offical title was almost never used, but was named after the weapons it carried. Most famously, a pair of light machine guns. Alhough, other variants had flamethrowers, heavier machine guns, mortars and AA cannon. It also towed the 17 pdr. IT was also often used as a tracked "portee system" for the 2 pdr, 25 pdr and 6pdr guns.

Universal Carrier?

EDIT - Argh, too late.

[AnthoniusII]

Allright guys you know a lot about WWII.
Can i add a quiz?
"I faught in two fronts". I lost in both of them under the ennemy's superiority.
I was the 1st plane of a Kamikaze asault against an other plane in the entire WWII." Who am I?

[Numenor]

PZL p7 i supose?

Adopted by the Polish Air Force in 1933 as its basic fighter; it was one of the first all-metal monoplane fighters to be mass-produced with state-of-the-art construction. However, by the end of the decade, the P.7 was obsolete and was replaced in Polish service by its follow-up design, the PZL P.11c. (if i'm correct)

edit: or p11, they are very look alike.

[Leonidas The Lion]

thats the PZL P.24 was manufactured in Poland but never used there.

The event you are referring to is when Marinos Mitralexis rammed into the tail of an Italian bomber, he then ended up crash landing and arresting the Italian crew with his pistol.

[Numenor]

crap almost had it ;_;