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    Default Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    "Active weapons were swords, spears, swords, beating, sticks, bats, partisans, mace, battle-axe, bow and arrow dart.
    There are two basic types of swords that have suffered time and practice certain adjustments. The first kind are long heavy swords that were used with both hands. The other species are thin and small swords that are used with one hand and suitable for close combat.
    From the initial brief and broad, contest and dozens have corrected it in all the long and thin, sharpened on both sides and adapted more for picking than slashing.In time of Nemanjic a long heavy swords were used , great swords, which were kept with both hands at the end of the apple sword handle sword served not to drop and not to slip out of hand."

    "Two-handed swords were widespread in almost all of Europe and therefore to us. In fact, most of the archaeological finds of medieval swords from our area have just been a knight swords, which were held with two hands. In Serbia, the time came and foreign mercenaries, such as detachment of 500 cavalry under the leadership of German knights Palman. This German nobleman came to Serbia 1331, where he and his warriors faithfully served the Emperor Dusan until his death 1355. Just a year after Knight Palman entered the service of King Dusan in Prizren its capital came from Dubrovnik Macar (sword-craftsmen) Martolo with his son. The fact that in Serbia Macar came by to talk as he knew that forging a different, better swords than domestic Macari, dvoručnjake be exactly as they brought the German mercenaries. It is known that mercenaries from Spain, Italy and other countries came to fight for the Serbian rulers and even the time of Dusan's grandfather, King Milutin, but two-handed swords then were not yet widespread in southern Europe. Among the archaeological findings from our area there are plenty of swords on which there is a sign of a wolf, the German sword-craftsmen from the city Pasaule. It tells us that, in addition to domestic production, bringing swords to Serbia from these, the best of sword-craftsmen's workshops."

    Two handed sword from Bijeljina


    sign of wolf on the sword


    "we have people, the light crown, and ten times more soldiers, but weapons and military equipment is not enough, and it is expensive. It should be assault weapons: spears, swords, maces, bows and arrows. Should be great for beating swords, with two hands..."

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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    Bijeljina?isnt this in Bosnia?

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    Ho cares?
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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by matija191 View Post
    Bijeljina?isnt this in Bosnia?
    it is as much as i know

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonSRB View Post
    Ho cares?
    those who love serbian history, and wants to find more about medieval period in serbia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matija191 View Post
    Bijeljina?isnt this in Bosnia?
    it is in bosnia, but on the border with serbia, so as in medieval serbia. it is typical german sword, probably brought by german mercenaries who served tsar dusan. bosnia and serbia were in conflict under tsar dusan's rule
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    If i am not mistaken , in Krusevac history museum is one two handed sword which belongs to Serbian soldier .

    So if there were such troops in Serbian army it would be good if you guys can make it for the mod
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ampra View Post
    If i am not mistaken , in Krusevac history museum is one two handed sword which belongs to Serbian soldier .

    So if there were such troops in Serbian army it would be good if you guys can make it for the mod
    well, yes, that was my plan
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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    It would be great to see some two-handed swordsmen for serbia, would make great heavy infantry. always loved the Allamanoi in the Crusades campaign with their massive two-handed swords!

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    Will you make "Serbia faction preview" like you did for Bulgaria and Wallachia? Or is this http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=140990 it?

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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    Nah thats an old thread, I understand that many changes have been made since. Hopefully we will see a Serbian preview soon! But i think the Ottoman one will be first.

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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    what about the Sablja?
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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    what about it, its one-handed weapon not much diferent than sabre, do it can be two-handed too, but I dont think that suh were used in Balkans

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    I taught that sablja was a sabre, and almost exclusively single handed (in the Balkans).

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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    there is slight difference in appearance

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    Hm, I always taught that sabre was sablja in English.

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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    same here. My question about it (sorry i did not specify) is that is it a common weapon for the serbs/bos/bulg?
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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    and Croats and Hungarians, as well as for Turks who were around here...

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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    is it in the game?
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    Default Re: Two-handed Swords in Serbia

    Quote Originally Posted by slavic_crusader View Post
    same here. My question about it (sorry i did not specify) is that is it a common weapon for the serbs/bos/bulg?
    well, common weapons were maces, flails and swords. if you mean by origin, schiavonesca would be ser/cro/bos sword, originally made on balkans


    even in tsardoms tw, you have it in bosnian and serbian army:



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