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    Quote Originally Posted by uanime5 View Post
    It's possible that only the 65535 areas are passable, while the other 307 entries refer to impassible areas. I don't think 256 is the only impassible number because the Alps are impassible but they're all 200.
    Alps are split. 256 for areas entirely impassable and so not split.

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    Be not afraid of greatness dear campaign map researchers: some are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust upon them.

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    regions.esf research close to 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by PietroMicca View Post
    regions.esf research close to 100%
    What about these ids?

    france-0000.xml
    8| <u2>387</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    6787| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    6788| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->

    france-0001.xml
    8| <u2>388</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    192| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    193| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->

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    Quote Originally Posted by taw View Post
    What about these ids?

    france-0000.xml
    8| <u2>387</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    6787| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    6788| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->

    france-0001.xml
    8| <u2>388</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    192| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    193| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->
    I know there are still minor lacks of knowledge. We also don't know meaning of unknown float in wind map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taw View Post
    What about these ids?

    france-0000.xml
    8| <u2>387</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    6787| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    6788| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->

    france-0001.xml
    8| <u2>388</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    192| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    193| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->
    Where is this? I can't find.

    in france-0001.xml I have this

    <u2>553</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    <u2>192</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    <u2>104</u2><!-- island id (104=mainland) -->

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    It's probably regions.esf from some tutorial campaign, I use it for testing because it was smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taw View Post
    It's probably regions.esf from some tutorial campaign, I use it for testing because it was smaller.
    anyway meaning of those ids is not far from our intuition

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    There must be some people with expertise on this forum who can join PietroMicca, taw and uanime5 and help on campaign map research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taw View Post
    What about these ids?

    france-0000.xml
    8| <u2>387</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    6787| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    6788| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->

    france-0001.xml
    8| <u2>388</u2><!-- unknown1 id -->
    192| <u2>32</u2><!-- unknown2 id -->
    193| <u2>34</u2><!-- island id -->
    Now we have a complete explanation for these IDs

    for of all two definitions

    unexplorable is a land region you can't walk through
    impassable is a sea region you can't sail through

    Generally it is believed to be the contrary. I will use those definitions inside this post. We will find an agreement later.

    now a meaningful example Egypt campaign from NTW

    this is the map

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    mountains in brown
    boundaries in black
    rivers and lakes in blue and light blue

    in the following map areas using the same ID1 are highlighted with the same color

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    So areas with same ID1 are explorable or passable adjoining areas. Each other kind of areas has a different ID1.

    Now ID2

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Areas with the same ID2 are adjoining unexplorable areas. 65535 is for explorable areas.

    Finally ID3

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    ID3 is the same in adjoining impassable areas. 65535 is for passable areas.
    Last edited by PietroMicca; March 23, 2012 at 02:09 PM.

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    wow.

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    Haven not been in these forums for ages.

    Hows progress going with this is it possible to mod the Campaign Map and add new Regions.

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    Well Gentlemen more than 80000 views of this thead already. There is certainly existing much interest in matters regarding campaign map research. A well deserved compliment to the hard working researchers. Perhaps even some people from Creative Assembly visited this thread in secret. Distressing and also disgraceful that they never even gave the slightest help to the community on Campaign map modifications.

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    There are 3 IDs for each area, but there are also 3 booleans.

    The first is true for land bridges, the third for passable areas. The second is true only for 2 areas of English Channel.



    Green and orange areas are part of sea region English Channel. What these 2 areas have in common?

    Certainly the 3 IDs: 30 286 65535. So those areas are navigable. But they have also 286 as second ID. This id is typical of blocked mountain areas. Maybe this means that in these parts of french and english coast we can't land?

    PS: ID1 is normal. 30 is ID for adjoining passable sea areas in Europe.

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    for fear of sounding like a fool, I will ask the following question: How does the recent knowledge affect what you already know, and how far are you from a fully moddable campaign map?

    I feel like such a noob, only cheering you on but doing nothing

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    research situation

    regions - 99,9 % (unknown wind parameter, minor irrilevant doubts about areas IDs)
    startpos - 33,5 % (a full mess, there are holes everywhere like in a Gruyre: CAI problems in general and identification problems of IDs here and there)
    pathfinding type 1 - 62,5 % (the main problem are flags and their usage; there are also problems with boundaries IDs)
    pathfinding type 2 - 0% found a new structure of pathfinding in Peninsular War

    this structure uses a different type of long coordinates (no more short coord * 2^20), it has a different header and after a quick look it seems that it doesn't use flags. NTW uses both types of pathfinding, so there's a possibility that pathfinding type 2 is compatible also in ETW. If reading this structure is easier, we will try to use it in ETW.

    sea_grids - 70% (main problem is sea_grid_connection)
    trade_routes - 99,9% (some uncertainty about calculation of length of routes)
    poi - 10% (just an almost complete explanation of code1)

    PS: many of startpos problems are less important, because game recalculate each turn startpos data in saved game format. So hybrid modding we will solve the greatest part of our problems. We just need to know enough to make start a new campaign.
    Last edited by PietroMicca; March 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PietroMicca View Post
    research situation

    We just need to know enough to make start a new campaign.
    And it seems you're pretty far along with that! GREAT!

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    Grand work PietroMicca, uanime5 and taw. You deserve the gratitude of the whole community.
    Keep your chins up. Im absolutely sure you will be successful eventually.

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    Is there yet any discovery about the Musikk/Effect areas ? I would find it interesting if i could make a musik pack where there is culture specific musik and not theatre specific. For example british/irish/scottish musik on the british islands, special folk and classical music for the german, french, swedish and austrian areas etc.

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