How would America be without African-American population?

[Armenum]

If from the beginning, black slaves from Africa weren't brought, how would the USA look in the present day? Would it be as successful? As large?

[Jaketh]

there would be alot less crime, but also alot of the great inventions like Peanut butter would never had come about, and a world without peanut butter is a sad world

[HansDuet]

Not to mention significantly smaller population.

[Jaketh]

Not to mention significantly smaller population.

how many are there? like 80 million or something along those lines

[Poach]

According to http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet...ectID=15233308

Around the 40 million mark in '08. Unless I read it wrong, and in honesty I gave it a quick viewing.

[Jaketh]

36,701,103 out of 304,000,000, is quite alot, holy crap there is 198,942,886 white people in the USA out of 3 million, didnt think there was that large a percentage of whites

[6644kp]

36,701,103 out of 304,000,000, is quite alot, holy crap there is 198,942,886 white people in the USA out of 3 million, didnt think there was that large a percentage of whites

Well I read in wiki that is you put your race as 'Muslim' you are automatically categorized as white. And im pretty sure there are some other things such as with Hispanics that have made the number seem bigger than it really is.

[Ulf]

Without the black slaves to power it's agricultural economy, America wouldn't be much of a country at all. I would argue that without the cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc. that black slaves produced prior to the revolution, the American colonies would have never felt it capable to win independence from Britain militarily.

@Jaketh, George Washington Carver did not invent Peanut Butter. in 1884 a patent was issued to a Canadian for something like peanut butter and in 1897 J.H. Kellogg (of Kellogg cereals) was issued another patent for something he called "nut-butter".

[Jaketh]

Without the black slaves to power it's agricultural economy, America wouldn't be much of a country at all. I would argue that without the cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc. that black slaves produced prior to the revolution, the American colonies would have never felt it capable to win independence from Britain militarily.

@Jaketh, George Washington Carver did not invent Peanut Butter. in 1884 a patent was issued to a Canadian for something like peanut butter and in 1897 J.H. Kellogg (of Kellogg cereals) was issued another patent for something he called "nut-butter".

all the lies ive been told over the years....

[Georgy Zhukov]

Without the black slaves to power it's agricultural economy, America wouldn't be much of a country at all. I would argue that without the cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc. that black slaves produced prior to the revolution, the American colonies would have never felt it capable to win independence from Britain militarily.

Indentured Servants.

If there was no alternative to Indentured Servants, then things like Bacon's Rebellion wouldn't have as much of an effect in deterring the colonists from hiring indentured Servants since they would be the only mass cheap labor force.

[C-Rob]

all the lies ive been told over the years....

well, it's pretty much everything you can do with peanuts EXCEPT use it on bread.


Anyway, meh, I don't know. Jazz would take a massive hit and might not even exist.

[Hus]

Aside from Caucasian sniping and racial joking in society, without black slaves the British and US economies wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful.

[Enemy of the State]

I can't imagine what popular music would sound like without jazz and blues.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Without the black slaves to power it's agricultural economy, America wouldn't be much of a country at all. I would argue that without the cotton, sugar, tobacco, etc. that black slaves produced prior to the revolution, the American colonies would have never felt it capable to win independence from Britain militarily.

You clearly don't have a great understanding of economics if you think slavery can improve an economy in any way. The USA would have boomed faster without slaves.

Aside from Caucasian sniping and racial joking in society, without black slaves the British and US economies wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful.

They'd be more powerful. No more riots over industrialisation; there is work for everyone.

[Dr. Croccer]

America's economy would be based even more on serfdom, rather than slavery. There would probably have been legislation discriminating against contracted labourers and those with little to no property, instead of race-based legislation.

[Copperknickers II]

there would be alot less crime, but also alot of the great inventions like Peanut butter would never had come about, and a world without peanut butter is a sad world

Don't be ridiculous. Black people do not commit crime more than white people. People who have been exploited as slave labour, then exploited as underpaid urban workers, then left for dead in ghettos as the factories closed and subjected all the time to vehement hatred and race prejudice, those are the people who commit crimes. Without the slaves, it is difficult to tell what America would be like. Look at other British colonies like Australia and New Zealand where there was not so much of a slave population, they seem to have done OK for themselves and with the massive resources that America offers, I doubt it would have been less significant. Except of course that the Civil War wouldn't have happened, which was pretty much what created the USA we know today.

Anyway, there would not be less crime, the industrial working classes of Scotland suffered a similar fate to the African-Americans in the 40s and 50s, and they provide a perfectly adequate amount of crime and poverty for our needs, despite the fact they are the purest bred natives in the country.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

NO RICK JAMES, BEEATCH!

[Captain Arrrgh!]

double post

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Don't be ridiculous. Black people do not commit crime more than white people.

Yes they do. What sort of argument is that.

You've gone "they don't - but they are poor, and poor people do". That's the point. A higher percentage of poor people are black than other wealth classes. Nobody is being racist here.