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    Default [FAILED][Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

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    Hi all,

    I would like to apply to become a citizen of this great forum. Since I have joined TWC, I have been involved in helping the TWC Multiplayer communities, which is my primary focus here.

    I would like to become a citizen so I can continue to contribute to the MP community here at TWC. It is a thriving community here I like to assist. I have written a MP guide for the RTW and ETW/NTW Mutilplayer sub-forums, and gave advice to many of the new TWC MP players on this forum. With the help of |Sith|Count_Max and FearofNC, we basically brought at least a dozen, if not more, popular or new MP players to the MP sub-forums here. We help change the environment of the MP arena here.


    Not only did I contribute by doing tournaments and such, but I have brought in several top MP players to the sub-forums here, like I stated above, with the help of the above who are named. They would have not otherwise show up on this forum if it wasn’t for us. I been helping to bring the MP community into the spotlight here at TWC. I have written several ES articles and SS articles relating to TW Multiplayer and my work has been highly praise by the late Calvin, Viking Prince, Armatus and Y2Day. I strive to do my best on this forum.


    I also have made a Interactive History sub-forum to this forum, with being a active mafia player and I also take part in a few of the Alliance games hosted here. I have been in several good debates in Garb’s Fight club, made several popular threads in the D&D and am a former writer for the ES and SS publications.

    On a final note, my goal always was and will be to help the MP community here at TWC to grow/. I hope I can become a citizen so I can contribute further and so I can inspire the TWC MP community to do more also.




    Thank you for your time,

    [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88

    Contributions:

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=310036
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=310616
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=331083


    A RTW and ETW MP guide + a successful 8 man RTW MP tournament.




    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=322238
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=319155
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=324743
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=302270
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=216306
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=225009

    Wikipedia:
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Selifator[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/GAHzette_Players_of_the_Month[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/TA_Awards[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Krook[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Darth_Max[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Xavier_Dragnesi[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Tomisama_Bio[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Ambush_at_Bizen[/URL]
    http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Siege_of_Okazaki[/URL]


    ES issues:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=253592
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=222243
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=229741
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=244359
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=326039
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=340979
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=333260
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=333260




    SS Articles:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=263207
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=314009
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=325013
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=334141





    Debates:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=247264
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=225532
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=215376
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...53#post6560653
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...69#post6595169
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=301822
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=314894
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=347423

    Sub-Forum:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=1135

    Stories:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=252239
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=254559
    (Submission #3, The Surprise)


    + I got a silver quill.


    Patron : Carl von Döbeln

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    Greetings CdeC members, long time no see. I would like to patronize the member [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 to the rank of Citizen of TWC. Judging from my own conversations with him he is a nice guy with a good attitude and judging from his rather vast contributions in the multiplayer community here on TWC and in the ES and SS magazines i think he deserves to be awarded with the rank of Citizen. He has listed his main contributions in his own paragraph above/below.

    Judge him fairly, please.




    ~ Carl




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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    NO

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    tell me where this no comes from




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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    ~Contributions haven't changed much since his previous attempts
    ~Attitude is not that of a citizen. He's racist, etc.
    ~His debates are awful
    ~Etc.

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    i thought it was the same guy i've seen around the forums.

    why would we include this as an example in his paragraph?

    That Africa isn't really getting better. South Africa might be, since they are already mostly civilized, but the other nations still living like they are in the 1800's
    But he likes to debate in the Fight Club which is a good thing. Even though his debates there are somewhat limited.

    Anyone got a heads up on the MP and ES sides?




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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    When I moderated the MP fora he was one of the top troublemakers.

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    I've gone through his preview attempt. Can anyone see any improvement? I am not gonna say yes on his debate and wiki contributions. His debating is mediocre at best. Some of his posts in the D & D i have seen have been questionable. His wiki links are broken. Some of his ES articles linked above must have taken some effort so thats good.

    Does he still cause trouble in the MP forums? Who should i ask?

    He mentions Viking Prince as an admirer of his work, would like to know what he thinks about this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio View Post
    ~Contributions haven't changed much since his previous attempts
    ~Attitude is not that of a citizen. He's racist, etc.
    ~His debates are awful
    ~Etc.
    This will be No from me for the same reasons.
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    I agree with Legio, a no from me.

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    I liked his attitude in writing for the ES. He started out wanting to help promote MP. I agree that he will not rise in rank based upon D&D. As to the actual politics in the MP, I am clueless.

    I have not had time to review the previous application and any contributions since then. I will need some time to get it together.
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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    The content present in his ES articles was always good from my experience, though the presentation and grammar needed serious editing at times to produce the publicly visible product, and the approach could come off as self-involved. I'll have to look at his other contributions, but behavioral concerns are still prevalent.

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    Nein.




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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    Since Heinz doesn't like him, and Heinz is a hippie, this means I should... like him. So a Da from me comrades.

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    Quote Originally Posted by Legio View Post
    ~Contributions haven't changed much since his previous attempts
    ~Attitude is not that of a citizen. He's racist, etc.
    ~His debates are awful
    ~Etc.
    Have to agree on this.

    As well as his contributions to the editorials, from what i have seen he has done some interviews with members but the questions are almost always the same. It even looks like they are standard questions the only thing that is different in each interview is the answer.
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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    Contributions ---- Debates


    I will thank him for his work with an Abstain.
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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    I think most of the concerns are still with attitude more than anything else; he's always been pleasant to me, but it's clear this doesn't extend to the MP area all the time. The other problem is that he has quantity but not quality. He lists two guides and a tournament, but both guides are actually copies of one another with minor changes if any, and the tournament included 8 people and progressed rather haphazardly. He also has contributions to the publications, but again the problem of content being intrinsically good but lacking in quality and readability is present. I suspect there's a language barrier involved.

    As always, I've liked his vigor, but disliked his approach. The MP culture in some respects seems to espouse the things we don't want to see in a Citizen, which may be the root of the problem(1 2). I don't want to make sweeping assertions, but the feeling I get is that, like many multiplayer communities, there's a lot of trash talking and not a whole lot of community building. Hopefully this can change, but when there's as many threads making fun of new players as trying to help them, and boasting or disparaging comments are commonplace, it certainly doesn't put off well.

    With the MP restructure to consolidate it, he may be able to help that along. If he would try to counteract the MP culture of trash talking and boasting by being a model participant, I could see him becoming a Citizen in the future. For the time being, I'm still not sure about eligibility.

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    I do not apologise for rebelling. I am not sorry.

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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    He is on the right track. As AL observed, the issue is more attitude than contributions. Though it will not matter this time, I will still cast a rebelious vote in the affirmative and wish him luck in a future application.
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    Default Re: [Citizen] [IMP]AntiWarmanCake88 ( Patron : Carl von Döbeln)

    I actually like him. I want to see him contribute more and I will tackle Heinz naked for the yes.

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