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    Time: 1960s, in the midst of Mao's disastrous Cultural Revolution leading to widespread hunger and famine, the Government of the Republic of China on Taiwan create top secret plans to retake the mainland...
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    Taiwan's plan to take back mainland



    By Cindy Sui
    Taoyuan County, Taiwan


    The documents have recently been put on display for the first time

    Most people in China and Taiwan might think they know what happened after the long and bloody civil war between the Chinese Nationalist Party and the Communist Party ended in 1949.
    But recently declassified government archives have revealed a previously unknown secretive plan by Taiwan's late President Chiang Kai-shek to take back mainland China.
    Chiang and his troops had fled to Taiwan after losing the war to the Communists but, despite great obstacles, he was obsessed with the idea of taking back the land he had lost.
    According to these newly-revealed government documents, by the 1960s Chiang thought the time was right to launch a counter-attack, given the devastating famine Mao Zedong's leadership had unleashed and the possibility China would soon have a nuclear weapon.
    The US was fighting the Vietnam War then, and Chiang knew he needed US military assistance if he were to succeed so he offered to help the Americans fight the war in Vietnam in exchange for US support.
    Washington objected to Chiang's suggestions, but Chiang went ahead with his preparations anyway.
    Top secret
    The declassified information - photocopies of which went on public display in Taiwan for the first time in May - show that Chiang's planned offensive, called the Guo Guang [National Glory] Project, involved 26 operations including land invasions, special operations behind enemy lines and raids against the enemy.

    Chiang Kai-shek was obsessed with the idea of taking back mainland China

    Chiang also instructed his son Chiang Ching-kuo to come up with a plan to launch an airborne attack on southern China's Fujian and Guangdong provinces.
    All of this was top secret at the time.
    In 1965, the plans were ready. Soldiers and officers drew up their wills, while the top brass were trying to choose the most suitable "D-Day" to deploy their troops, according to the archives.
    But Beijing had discovered the plan. On 6 August 1965, two Taiwanese naval vessels assigned to transport troops on a reconnaissance mission were sunk by Communist forces. About 200 soldiers were killed.
    In November the same year, another vessel sent to drop off supplies for soldiers stationed on one of Taiwan's outlying islands was hit by Communist torpedoes, killing some 90 soldiers.
    The heavy loss of life surprised Chiang Kai-shek. He then realised China had significantly improved its naval capability. Chiang was forced to scale back and eventually abandon his plan.
    But according to Gen Huang Chih-chung, who was an army colonel at the time and was part of the planning process, Chiang never completely gave up the desire to take back China.
    "Even when he died, he was still hoping the international situation would change and that the Communists would be wiped out one day."
    Shift in focus
    The failure of Chiang's plan changed the course of Chinese and Taiwanese history.
    The Taiwanese "shifted the focus to modernising and defending Taiwan instead of preparing Taiwan to take back China," said Andrew Yang, a political scientist specialising in Taiwan-China relations at the Taipei-based Council of Advanced Policy Studies.


    Chiang's son, who later succeeded him as president, focused on maintaining peace between the mainland and Taiwan.
    Details of this chapter in history were kept secret for 44 years, and were only revealed when the tourism department in Taoyuan County managed to convince the ministry of national defence and the national library to give it access to the archives.
    "There were 26 planned operations, but the department of defence only kept documents on 10 of them. The others were all destroyed," said Hsieh Shyang-ling, a spokeswoman for the Taoyuan tourism department.
    "Chiang Kai-shek didn't want people to know. What we have access to are only some of the documents."
    It remains unclear how many soldiers died in the preparations leading up to the plan that was never actually carried out.
    "To this day, some of their families might not even know how they died," Andrew Yang said.

    Chiang even built a secret bomb shelter in case of all-out war

    The documents are now displayed in what was once a secret command centre in the scenic mountains of Taoyuan, which the tourism department opened to the public for the first time in May.
    Hundreds of tourists visit the area each day, including some Chinese tourists.
    "We feel that since this history existed, we should not hide it. We want to tell people there was this part of history," Ms Hsieh said.
    The now elderly Gen Huang said he hoped lessons could be learned from history.
    "Relations between Taiwan and China have totally changed now. I hope it will develop peacefully," he said. "There's no need for war."

    source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8183412.stm

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    Well, it is generally known that Chiang actually recieved the information of PLA shifted their force to Manchuria during the Spring of 1950, but he purposely kept it secret to US government, hoping that an involvement of PLA in Korea would force US opened an all-out war (but then, consider MacArthur failed to even accept most obvious information, he probably would just ignore Chiang advices anyway).
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    Default Re: What If the Chinese Nationalists had Attempted a Liberation of Mainland China?

    If the Chinese were in a position to oppose the Soviets at that point, what chance would Taiwan have had of retaking the mainland?

    Surely they lacked the manpower by a large margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pious Agnost View Post
    If the Chinese were in a position to oppose the Soviets at that point, what chance would Taiwan have had of retaking the mainland?

    Surely they lacked the manpower by a large margin.
    i suppose Chiang thought he could rely on Nationalist sympathizers in the mainland as well as that unit that continued operating in Yunnan/Myanmar-not to mention forcing the hands of the Americans;

    one thing's for sure; in that alternate reality, i and a lot of my friends and ex girlfriends wouldnt be alive today lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    i suppose Chiang thought he could rely on Nationalist sympathizers in the mainland as well as that unit that continued operating in Yunnan/Myanmar-not to mention forcing the hands of the Americans
    Well, Nationalist Chinese force in Burma retreated to Taiwan around mid-1950s. Not to mention most Nationalist sympathizers (with a lot of innocent civilians) were purged during Cultural Revolution.
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    Default Re: What If the Chinese Nationalists had Attempted a Liberation of Mainland China?

    Though what about people rebelling against the cultural revolution and great leap foward, I don't think that the nationalists would be able to take all of china, but I think if you get outside pro-nationalist troops involved, especially during the korean war, the twianese might of gotten a costal province or two
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    Chiang couldn't command his way out of a paper bag, during the Civil War and Sino-Japanese war he constantly spent his time wasting resources and manpower on his own personal intrigues and amassing his own powerbase.
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