What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
so picture this;
it's early 2003 or so and Dubya Bush has finished referencing north korea as part of the 'the axis of evil'the year before, in the 2002 state of the union address:
so in the leadup to march 2003, instead of invading iraq, North korea was invaded, what would've happened?
Patricius
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Would have been in a world ofright now. Unlike taliban or Iraqi insurgents, NK could put up a pretty good fight to "exporters of democracy". There also would be a probability of nuclear strikes happening. NK leadership would strike at South Korea or concentration of US troops, they would have nothing to lose, and that would cause a lot of casualties.
hoi polloi
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Simply would not... GB Jr and his buddies might have been arrogant jerks who liked here hearing what they already believed but they were not insane and thus under no circumstance but perhaps the actual collapse of the North Korean state (and maybe civil war) could anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together decide attacking North Korea would not be a fantastic super amazing big fiasco likely to disrupt key players in the world economy, and likely bring the US into conflict with China. Aside from that considering how many dead South Koreans were likely to be involved it hard to see how the US could ever get S Korea to go along no matter how much arm twisting was involved.so in the leadup to march 2003, instead of invading iraq, North korea was invaded, what would've happened?
It not an accident by any means that the only member of the Axis of Evil to attacked was the weakest and smallest of the lot.
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Campidoctor
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
North Korea has a highly professional army, nuclear capability, an unwavering resolve, and many citizens, including women and children, receive some degree of military training, regardless if they're in the army or not.
Safe to say, it'd be an extremely difficult task of defeating NK, if not impossible. Plus, the two superpowers on that side of the globe, China and Russia, might not take very kindly to large concentrations of American troops attacking so close to home, especially considering the only invasion basis was because of Dubya's random comments.
Overall:
Training = NK > US
Technology = NK < US (really the only thing, besides numerical superiority, the Americans would have)
Power in that Area = NK > US
Resolve = NK > US
Saviors of the Japanese
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
North Koreans are better trained than the US?
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Wait you're not joking?
Wow.
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Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Originally Posted by RuleBritannia
Campidoctor
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Have you seen their army?
Protector Domesticus
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Have you seen it?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Saviors of the Japanese
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Yes.
I've seen their malnourished army that spends more time training for marching than fighting, lacks even the fuel to really train even.
Have you?
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Biarchus
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Rule Britannia is being a troll methinx.
The USA (assuming it fought NK) would pound N.Korea into the dust, no problem apart from those mountains and rough terrain and the general radicalisation of the NK trooper.
But at what cost to Japan and South Korea? All of Seoul lies within NK artillery range and Japan isn't exactly immune either. China will pose some issues as they may go to war with the USA (though I doubt the Chinese will fight once Koreana Inferior had collapsed as China isn't looking for a war, NK isn't that great an ally to fight for and China simply hasn't got the ability to fight the US in a direct head on war)
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Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Indeed
on topic though, I doubt he would have invaded North Korea although it would have probably unnerved China if they had reach the Yalu river like they did last time.
Last edited by Babur; May 01, 2010 at 05:48 PM.
Senator
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
The US only has to load the bombers with food and food-bomb the NK positions. I bet that within 2 hours NK army will march on Pyongyang, at least those soldiers that did not die of over consumption.
Same thing if NK invades SK. US and SK need to retreat only a bit behind the first Pizza house or some other fast food place and then laugh while watching NK officers trying to come up with explanation for their troops. "No comerade, this is capitalist propaganda by american pig-dogs baby eating imperialist scum. NK is best place to live, here people starve".
Ugly as the north end of a pig going south
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Saviors of the Japanese
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
As I say, if North Korea invades all we have to do is leave our food in piles, withdraw and watch the North Korean soldiers eat. Then when they run out tell them they'll get more if they surrender and offer us Lil Kim.
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Biarchus
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
@Babur: But, would China want a war with the most powerful military for a somewhat useless ally? I really don't see how and/or why they'd want to (for an extended amount of time that is). The difference between today and the 1950s was the Soviet Union equalled American power and was a firm ally of China's. Not anymore.
Although, a reunified Korea governed by Seoul would most definately be pro-Western; such a country bordering China, that would make Beijing very uneasy.
Why is it that certain people think they're above criticism and satire?
Protector Domesticus
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
The China of 2003 certainly isn't the China of today. Had the war escalated, and remained non-nuclear, what do you think the ramifications would have been? I'm thinking a large scale conflict akin to the first Korean War. Indeed, instead of Operation Iraqi Freedom and the Second Gulf War, I'm thinking we would have the Second Korean War and Operation Chinese Freedom. Hell, the propaganda would be that much easier to sell seeing as how China is indeed an unfree land. But really, what would America have to gain? There's so much to lose in such a war but not much to gain.
Then again... Iraq.
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
A nation that requires as much foreign assistance just to feed its population will not last long in a war. Let alone a US naval blockade will cut off almost all necessary supplies and oil (heh, not like they are importing now anyways other than relief supplies, so why would they start anyways) except that imported by China (not likely as China would want to stay the hell out of the whole ordeal and anyways is starting to appear to be more cordial to S Korea than N Korea). The USAF would just bomb N Korea to hell while its population starved, it wouldn't be pretty but it would get the job done. S Koreas army is quite good, and the US could have troops there is such a short period of time that there is no way the fuel and food starved N Koreans could march far into S Korea.
I mean hell look at the average size of a N Korean soldier and tell me that that army is actually equipped to fight. A war with N Korea would not spread in to some global affair with the US fighting China or Russia, no fight between superpowers is even necessarily feasible in the future (unless outright nuclear war and China and Russia and the US could care less as to go to those extremes) because no war between modern superpowers could ever be beneficial financially, especially for China, as they would only have things to lose and little to nothing to gain.
With the sheer firepower of 11 US aircraft carries arriving off N Korea in a matter of a few days, any advance would be halted almost immediately. What little industry and electical power and water supply that N Korea has would be destroyed in a couple of days. Such damage would be such an utter shock to the N Koreans, but any speculation as to the populaces' reaction is just that, speculation, and therefore we can either only guess that they will continue on in ignorance or attempt to rise up after getting such a whooping just from bombing campaigns.
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Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
But they have the T-34! USA will not stand a chanceI've seen their malnourished army that spends more time training for marching than fighting, lacks even the fuel to really train even.
Biarchus
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
O NOES!!1! TEH T-34! WHATS THE NEXT, THE DOUGLAS C-30
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Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
it wont be a picnic, that's for sure
north korean society is qutie spartan; seems their whole ountry is geared for nothing but war, and the preparation for war.
plus those bunkers in the mountains are going to be heck
Protector Domesticus
Re: What if Dubya invaded North Korea instead of Iraq?
Yeah but North Korea is united and as a united faction can actually be defeated much more easily and out in the open (unlike the current War on Terror which is mostly a counterinsurgency)
The US gets off on that
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