Adriatic: Total War

[Vukodlak]

indeed, but unlike Genoa, Venice has one big advantage, it on the map

LOL, yeah...that helped greately in its non iclusion

[Vukodlak]

Yeah, Sorry was just making a point........... and in truth both lost their importance when Spain and Portugal openned up the Esat Indies spice route

A little off topic but...
Unlike Dubrovnik which was live and kicking all the way till an army of Napoleon's came there and annexed it to the newly established Illyrian Province of that empire.

But that just goes to prove the same point of city states being powerful only as paradigms.

[EarendilElenthol]

Good luck

[Hrobatos]

alwright here we have a small preview

CoA preview



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we had discussion about accuracy of each of CoA's but any further feedback would be appreciated

the preview has also has been added to the first post
the preview has been done by me while CoA's have been done by Glowbal, a great man, when you see him please +rep the man, he kindly helped ATW

[Csatádi]

Hungarian CoA is OK.
Wiki says the first known Croatian CoA had blue background as seen in the current CoA of Croatia. Why did you use red background? New results of research?

[Hrobatos]

wiki is wrong, this with red background is the right one for Croatia, but its well known fact among Croatian historians and amateur historians
Matko could tell you more about it

[Glowbal]

You wrote my name wrong.

Good you posted them on a black background, cause I see I messed up Sicily now (right top cornor).

[Hrobatos]

yup, sorry, i corrected it

for Sicily, I thinks its fine, if you wanna make new version just PM me, or it can stay as it is

@Csatádi, check this, there is a nice disccusion here about Croatian early CoA

[toluas]

Looking good; though I cannot comment on accuracy.

[Cvetko]

The roman empire didn't use the double-headed eagle before 1200s (I might be wrong on that) and it even bears the emblem of palaiologs dynasty in the middle, that was used after 1261 when empire became ruled by them (I am certain about that).

If I understand right, the mod starts in 1080.

Maybe a labarum or single headed eagle would be more fitting

[Glowbal]

The roman empire didn't use the double-headed eagle before 1200s (I might be wrong on that) and it even bears the emblem of palaiologs dynasty in the middle, that was used after 1261 when empire became ruled by them (I am certain about that).

If I understand right, the mod starts in 1080.

Maybe a labarum or single headed eagle would be more fitting

You mean this??

I might redo the yellow though.. Looks a bit dull. Can be way better.

[Hrobatos]

we'r really unsure how did Byzantine CoA looked in 1080, if you can find reliable info, i would be apreciated

[Constantius]

The Greek book, Istoria tis Ellinikis Simaias, clearly mentions the double headed eagle by used by Kommenos dynasty, its a symbol of fear and superstition in their native Kappadokia.The two heads represent East and West. The Eagle with Porthyr Red background was used in time of war and the Golden background used in time of peace. The Romfaia (sword) and globe were added later. The Palaiogus dynasty added the crown much later .The eagle would of looked like the one on the modern Albanian flag.

[phoenix[illusion]]

i've done research for sicily, apulia, hungary, venice and dioclea. they are quite right. (well for the sicliy and apulia was quite hard, but found some sources)

The roman empire didn't use the double-headed eagle before 1200s (I might be wrong on that) and it even bears the emblem of palaiologs dynasty in the middle, that was used after 1261 when empire became ruled by them (I am certain about that).

If I understand right, the mod starts in 1080.

Maybe a labarum or single headed eagle would be more fitting

well, i was saying that too, cause that eagle has Palaiologos' signs. and also byzantine empire didn't use red yellow scheme before palaiologos. i suggest chi-rho, cause it can't be wrong

[Cvetko]

You mean this??

I might redo the yellow though.. Looks a bit dull. Can be way better.

No, I mean like in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvE-GmHR_bE

Sorry, I didn't find a picture anywhere on the internet.

[Constantius]

As I said above I beg to differ

[Csatádi]

wiki is wrong, this with red background is the right one for Croatia, but its well known fact among Croatian historians and amateur historians
Matko could tell you more about it

Even so the current Croatian coa contains this shield with blue background. Why?

[Glowbal]

No, I mean like in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvE-GmHR_bE

Sorry, I didn't find a picture anywhere on the internet.

uhm, could you profide the seconds/minute on which I could see the symbol in that vid?
Though I rather use of a picture as that make things a lot easier.

[Cvetko]

uhm, could you profide the seconds/minute on which I could see the symbol in that vid?
Though I rather use of a picture as that make things a lot easier.

You can see the eagle on the puple flag in the video.

It is shaped roughly like the coat of arms of serbia and montenegro only with one head and without coat of arms inside.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co...Montenegro.svg

[matija191]

Even so the current Croatian coa contains this shield with blue background. Why?

because we have stupid goverment.if you can see modern croatian flag then you will notice that CoA of Ragusan republic is also wrong...