Nominee: Nole4694
Patron: the Black Prince
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i like
He just recently joined the Silver Shield. I must admit I didn't really look into his time spent here on TWC as Armatus proposed him to join. He seems like a nice enough guy but his application looks a little thin.
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If he is now a part of the SS, then a few issues will hopefully help fatten the thin resume. To be honest -- the local moderation is impossible to assess.
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I'm going to have to do a double take on this member. Based on tBP's high standards as instanced by previous applications, I have to assume that looking deeper will show me the light. That will have to wait a few days, for now I'm on the fence and would abstain.
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he's a stellar local mod from what i hear from my local mod dawgs. i been out to tha corner store, runnin on es that i robbed b4
wearin tha that i robbed em 4
i aint even alarmed at all
my heart is pure
AND SO IS THIS CANDIDATE'S
Polite and well mannered, I will randomly look at his posts as the RPG and the moderation isnt something that gets my immediate yes, its gonna be according to his posting quality.
Well, if I, Belisarius, the Black Prince, and you all agree on something, I really don't think there can be any further discussion.
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@VP, your post seems to be saying, the local moderation is impossible to assess, so I'm looking to see what else he has. That's hardly fair, his work is still a contribution, even if its hard to measure in terms of no. of articles published or something similar.
But this isn't about local moderation. I've said before and stand by the fact that simply being a local mod shouldn't qualify someone by themselves. Afterall, local moderation is mostly about giving project managers (be they mods or content or whatever) the ability to manage their sub-fora.
This application is about project management, leading, running and organising a sucessfull community project, in this case, an RPG. That I deem, is well worthy of citizenship.
he also coded for the mod of GSTK
@tBP -- I have not decided yet. I am concerned that I see less here than is expected. I do not doubt you are impressed or you would not be patronizing the member.
Maybe I am not familiar with the level of work involved in administering the RPG, but I still need something to hang my hat on as clear contributions. I have been a bit busy with other matters on TWC as well -- hopefully I will have some more time in the next few days to take a closer look.
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Isn't running an RPG itself a contribution? Project management is the same regardless of whether it is the sort that I do with the Podcasts, or that he does with the RPG.
I have of course abstained, the fact that I act as this member's patron is my own resounding yes to his application.
His contributions to the mod seem rather small in comparison to other members but they are there.
Running an RPG is a contribution but it's on the lower levels for me and he didn't run the RPG on his own there is still Raglan,carl and some others.
If he would have contributed some articles for the SS that would have helped his case for me but for now i will be voting no but only a small no.
If he doesn't pass this time he probably will next time i am sure of that as his attitude is in the right direction.
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It wasn't the easiest decision I've ever made, but he has done enough to sway me to a yes.
Though I must assert my firm belief that a post in gray is insidious and a clear sign of a maleficarum.
It was difficult trying to find where the running aspect comes in, there's some posts in the OOC thread in a managerial manner and a lot of roleplay posts, but it looks to me like the majority of the management is handled via PM and inter-thread. Based on this, my foreknowledge of forum-based RPG games having run a major one 5 years ago, the information provided on the various systems, the sentiment of the players of the RPG, and the volume of posts, I'm willing to give this member my approval.
Having said that, I think this is a very clear example of why assessing this is damned near impossible. With content, you read the submissions. With modding, you look at the work put in, which is in the product. With debating, you view the posts and look for anything of substance on a subject. There's other similar barometers for other contributions. But in trying to find out how the RPG is run or where the bulk of the managing takes place, I was met with a wall of threads and forums, one thread explaining dice rolls which just so happen to take place via an invisible-to-us medium, and a generally convoluted idea of how the roleplay is tied into the managed game systems.
In order to explain that this isn't a problem of mine necessarily, but a problem with the format in some respects, I'll use a popular and long-running forum RPG as an example, SimRTK. The systems used in it are very complex, and the divide is on a faction and individual level, yet the approach is simpler. There's a thread which posts the results of every 'phase', a series of threads detailing the results of each and every 'personal turn', and bunches of other similar things. It is very clear who the admins/mods are and what they're processing. And all of this uses only 7 forums plus some social groups for inter-faction discussions, and a couple of those forums aren't strictly necessary or could be combined. So when I see GSTK with 9 forums and me still with no idea about anything being centrally logged, it's no wonder I have difficulty finding evidence of the work managers do.
Moral of the story is this: the RPG sections can only cry foul about not being assessed well for Citizenship if they have practices which make their actions easily observable. I shouldn't have to learn all the nuances of the game and be actively involved just to get a synopsis of whatever it is the managers are doing in the progression. So if RPG managers and players are reading this, what you need to take from it is that the games are hard to track for people who aren't playing them. Consolidate information and make it clearer what is going on in the game, use lists if necessary. Then the people who put in the work will be obvious, since we can see what calculations have gone on and what has happened.
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The mod contributions are real, but minimal. The applicant is one of many and not one of the principals.
The administrative contributions are probably pressent, but completely impossible to assess. Again the administration is indeed spread and the applicant contribution impossible to fairly access.
I have no doubt that the applicant contributes to the success of TWC. I have no doubt that the applicant would be a fine citizen. Unfortunately, I cannot see sufficient documented contributions to justify a rise in rank at this time. My vote is a reluctant no.
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Originally Posted by Hagar_the_Horrible
This was one of the hardest decisions since I become councilor. I’ll give my thumb up for this application. I made my decision based mainly on his activity in RPG community, which I think needs to be more recognized among other TWC communities. It was very hard to evaluate his contributions, but going through all threads he created and considering his future contribution as a content stuff, makes him Citizen material.
Despite my thinking more time was needed, I congradulate the applicant and his patron for the rise in rank.
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Originally Posted by Hagar_the_Horrible