View Poll Results: Which should be the start date: 455, at the start of Dagor Bragollach, when all the Noldor princes were still alive and strong, or 468, when the Union of Maedhros was formed, the time of Húrin and Túrin, for a harder and closer to lore campaign?

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    Thanks for the kind of release date, and is your sig of the kinslaying?

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    Yes it is. Squeaks made it for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JorisofHolland View Post
    We're aiming for a first release this year (which means it's at least 6 months of work, probably more).
    That would be awesome. If you need any play testers just let me know I got a lot of free time and would be happy to make detailed lists of bugs and such.
    Anyways Best of luck with development.

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    Yeah I wouldn't mind to do this Job, too.


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    Who could say no?

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    I have to go to page three to find this.
    boo.
    keep up the good work!


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    Do not worry, work is progressing, although slowly lately, but it's still progressing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earl of Memory View Post
    Do not worry, work is progressing, although slowly lately, but it's still progressing.

    Good to know

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    stay tuned guys, we dont post here so that we can preview a lot of stuff at once

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassakias View Post
    stay tuned guys, we dont post here so that we can preview a lot of stuff at once

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassakias View Post
    stay tuned guys, we dont post here so that we can preview a lot of stuff at once
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    Hi, just stumbled upon a lore fact that is often overlooked.
    It's the detail that the heaviest armoured units of elves should not be noldor as it's mostly perceived but the sindar. At least should the sindars heaviest units have equal AC as the naugrim and those noldor whom is considered to have bought dwarven mail armours - Sons of Fëanor most likely, see Silm. chapt. 20 Nirnaeth Arnoediad for example.

    Do not propagate that you should do either way with your current plans or rooster [Doriaths anint on page 1 ATM anyway]. Just thought it could be a treat and fun variety that if you'll already give them from light nandor units to heavier infantry/archers/cavlary, to acctually give them of the very best good AC for generals or special elite units

    Their smithcraft indeed the Sindar soon learned of them; yet in the tempering of steel alone of all crafts the Dwarves were never outmatched even by the Noldor, and in the making of mail of linked rings, which was first contrived by the smiths of Belegost, their work had no rival.
    At this time therefore the Sindar were well-armed, and they drove off all creatures of evil, and had peace again; but Thingol's armouries were stored with axes and with spears and swords, and tall helms, and long coats of bright mail; for the hauberks of the Dwarves were so fashioned that they rusted not but shone ever as if they were new-burnished. And that proved well for Thingol in the time that was to come. - Silmarillion, Of the Sindar

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    Don't worry, nothing is overlooked. Both the Noldor and the Sindar will have their light and heavily armoured units, always according to lore.

    Also, indeed the roster isn't in the first page, but the next preview will be of Doriath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellin Athinaios View Post
    Don't worry, nothing is overlooked. Both the Noldor and the Sindar will have their light and heavily armoured units, always according to lore.
    For the Sindar elite AOR units we had planned epic armour, IIRC. I even planned to mention their Dwarven-armour in the description, so really nothing (or at least, not much) is overlook

    Also, indeed the roster isn't in the first page, but the next preview will be of Doriath.
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    Awesome

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    About the above quote regarding the Sindar, while their mail was certainly made by the Dwarves, there are a few less obvious things to consider that i think tip the heavy armor balance towards the Noldor. First of all, armor, like weapons, requires some experience to use properly. In general the Sindar of Doriath did not have the level of martial experience that their Noldorin Cousins did, as they did not fight in any of the major battles after the arrival of the Noldor. In comparison, the Armies of the Noldor saw much action over the years of the siege of Angband, and even more after the Battle of Unnumbered Tears. Second, don't forget that when the Noldor first arrived, they were armed with weapons and armor that had been forged in valinor, many at the hands of Feanor and those under him. In addition, while the dwarves may be better at the working of metal, The Elves are able to create objects imbued with power, such as their weapons that glow when servants of Morgoth are near, or the rings of power.

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    @ UmbraPhoenix
    True, my thought was never that sindar should have better defence nor for sure shield points, just armor points. If the sindar mail armor is made by naugrim and is made of steel it's better than noldors home made - period. And even if they didn't fight as much as noldor those who had a dwarven armor could probably still grow accustomed enough to their armours, after some hundred years, that they could use them at peak performance.

    That has nothing to do with how good they was with weapons, nor the quality of such weapons. Even if sindar have better weapons they still cant be better soldiers than their cousins - with the exeption of Thingol himself - as they had not seen the light of the Trees or Valinor as the noldor had Apperently that counted for a lot, according to mr T.
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    the sindar, IMO, had plenty of experience fighting with the orcs of morgoth, even before the girdle was errected. they were in constant war before and after the arrival of the noldor, so they should have some compat experience, maybe more than the noldor, who had spent a long time in peace in Aman

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    Yes, there was some fighting borne by the Sindar of Doriath before the arrival of the Noldor, but recall that until Morgoth returned there was no organized evil in Belerian, and the arrival of the Noldor was not that long after the return of Morgoth. Also, i will concede Ngugi that the mail of the Sindar would be better if it was crafted by the dwarves, but nowhere does it say that the dwarves exceeded the skill of the Noldor in the forging of weapons.

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    Never propsed such, though I'm quite convinced that the average weapon of each race is made out of steel and naugrim made better steel. Magic weapons was perhaps common among the elves but do not know if it was so, so I'm compelled to belive most was ordinary weapons.
    Then the average elven made weapon should be made by a steel of less quality than naugrims.

    Still, a well made weapon is consisted out of more than the material, the skill in process is of essence.
    Dwarves was no beginners in this skill, they been fighting and been in war for longer time than both sindar or noldor [as noted in Of the Sindar, Silmarillion].
    Noldor should been better at makeing weapons, as Tolkien tells us only about dwarven superiority at mails, but does this mean that the average noldor weapon was better than the average dwarven or just that the best possible (magic) weapons was made by the elves?
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    One dwarven weapon of steel are named (as I can remember atm): Angrist who could cut steel but there is also the knife of Azagâl as cut Glaurung - non said to be magical, both awesome anyway.

    Everybody will make up their own minds but I myself belive that average weapons made by the war-experienced dwarven smiths with the best possible steel was better than the average elven weapons at that time.

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