How to add an existing unit to another faction

[Killheart901]

7 lancers
1 4
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod0.mesh 121
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod1.mesh 900
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod2.mesh 2500
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod3.mesh 6400
1
7 england ( Was france)
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_france.texture
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_normal.texture
40 unit_sprites/france_Gendarmes_sprite.spr
1
7 england ( Was france)
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_diff.texture
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_norm.texture 0
1
5 Horse
13 MTW2_HR_Lance
18 MTW2_HR_Non_Shield 1
21 MTW2_HR_Lance_Primary 1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

I finally got the Lancers unit to appear for england w/ the right unit card, and france doesnt have it. Yay!! but now I'm getting two problems.

1) When i add the line of code ( [io] file_first = true ) to my medieval2.preference file and launch the game, everything works. But after i exit the game, the line of code is gone. Do i have to reinput the line everytime i wanna play the game???

2) The Lancers are w/ england, but they have no riders! they are just riderless horses. How do i fix that??

[irishron]

After you edit the .cfg, set it to read-only.

[Ishan]

Firstly don't double post.

For
1)After setting the changes in your .cfg save the file and right click it and select properties. After that check read only type. Then your changes won't be lost.

2)As for second problem don't know it should work but you also have to check the ownership of that mount type is also given to england.
As for entry use this:-

7 lancers 
1 4 
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod0.mesh 121 
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod1.mesh 900 
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod2.mesh 2500 
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod3.mesh 6400 
2
6 france 
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_france.texture 
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_normal.texture 
40 unit_sprites/france_Gendarmes_sprite.spr 
7 england
81 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_england.texture 
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_normal.texture 
44 unit_sprites/england_Demi_Lancers_sprite.spr 
2
6 france 
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_diff.texture 
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_norm.texture 0  
7 england
60 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_england_diff.texture 
60 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_england_norm.texture 0
1 
5 Horse 
13 MTW2_HR_Lance 
18 MTW2_HR_Non_Shield 1 
21 MTW2_HR_Lance_Primary 1 
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary 
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

[Killheart901]

The only problem i have left is that the lancers for england dont have any riders. Where can i check to see if england has ownership of that mount and how do i change it if they dont??

[Gigantus]

EDU entry:

type Lancers
dictionary Lancers ; Lancers
category cavalry
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_cavalry
banner holy crusade_cavalry
soldier Lancers, 32, 0, 1
mount armoured horse
mount_effect elephant -4, camel -4

then proceed in the modeldb as you did with the soldier. check descr_mount for the proper spelling of the name of the mount.

Invisible rider:
Does this texture exist?

80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_france.texture
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_normal.texture

[Killheart901]

This is wats in my modeldb,

20 mount_armoured_horse
1.12 3
73 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/mount_armoured_horse_lod0.mesh 121
73 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/mount_armoured_horse_lod1.mesh 1225
73 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/mount_armoured_horse_lod2.mesh 10000
15
7 england
91 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_england.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
52 unit_sprites/england_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
8 scotland
92 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_scotland.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
53 unit_sprites/scotland_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
6 france
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_france.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
51 unit_sprites/france_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
3 hre
87 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_hre.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
48 unit_sprites/hre_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
7 denmark
91 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_denmark.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
52 unit_sprites/denmark_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
5 spain
89 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_spain.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
50 unit_sprites/spain_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
8 portugal
92 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_portugal.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
53 unit_sprites/portugal_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
5 milan
89 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_milan.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
50 unit_sprites/milan_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
6 venice
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_venice.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
51 unit_sprites/venice_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
12 papal_states
96 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_papal_states.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
57 unit_sprites/papal_states_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
6 sicily
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_sicily.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
51 unit_sprites/sicily_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
6 poland
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_poland.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
51 unit_sprites/poland_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
7 hungary
91 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_hungary.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
52 unit_sprites/hungary_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
5 slave
91 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_denmark.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
50 unit_sprites/slave_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr
4 merc
91 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_denmark.texture
90 unit_models/Mounts/European_Armoured_Horse/textures/european_armoured_horse_normal.texture
49 unit_sprites/merc_Mount_Armoured_Horse_sprite.spr 0 1
5 Horse
14 fs_heavy_horse 0
0 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0

[Gigantus]

Did you change the modeldb entry for the 'lancer' as Ishan has suggested?

[Killheart901]

7 lancers
1 4
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod0.mesh 121
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod1.mesh 900
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod2.mesh 2500
55 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/lancers_lod3.mesh 6400
2
6 france
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_france.texture
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_normal.texture
40 unit_sprites/france_Gendarmes_sprite.spr
7 england
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_france.texture
80 unit_models/_Units/LN_Gothic_RN_Plate/textures/LN_gothic_RN_plate_normal.texture
40 unit_sprites/france_Gendarmes_sprite.spr
2
6 france
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_diff.texture
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_norm.texture 0
7 england
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_diff.texture
59 unit_models/AttachmentSets/Final Heater_france_norm.texture 0
1
5 Horse
13 MTW2_HR_Lance
18 MTW2_HR_Non_Shield 1
21 MTW2_HR_Lance_Primary 1
18 MTW2_Sword_Primary
16 -0.090000004 0 0 -0.34999999 0.80000001 0.60000002

[Gigantus]

That is puzzling.

1. Ownership for england is added in the EDU? -Yes
2. Faction entry updated in modeldb? - Yes
3. Mount available for faction? - Yes
4. CFG entry (file_first) present? - Yes

Check through these points again

[Killheart901]

Yep, all those are covered....I also want to thank Gigantus, Ishan, and irishron fore bearing w/ me for like 20 posts of noobish questions and tribulations. I greatly appreciate all your help.

Anyway, all those are covered and still no riders...

[Ishan]

I think i have the idea on what maybe wrong. Put your EDU aka export_descr_unit.txt + modeldb file in a .zip folder and upload it as an attachment here and i will fix it.

[Gigantus]

Wicked formatting error? (Wordpad or something like that?)

Give him the files!! The suspense is killing me.

[Killheart901]

Here it is.....Lets all cross our fingers!

[Gigantus]

I don't see anything faulty, let's see what Ishan comes up with.

[gamer025]

I have a question: Where do we find "the battle_models.modelbd file?" I started modding retrofit mod because it's simpler to mode the EDU there without having to unpack anything. I can't find that file though. Help?

I want to add Crossbowmen to England, and then Rename them. How do I do this with what I have here? The picture is of my retrofit\data folder.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Gigantus]

You are out of luck: it's in the unit_models folder - needs unpacking.

Even then you will have a file that is hardly readable and needs converting. Here is your solution:

Creating a World – Formatted Campaign ModelDB files

[gamer025]

You are out of luck: it's in the unit_models folder - needs unpacking.

Even then you will have a file that is hardly readable and needs converting. Here is your solution:

Creating a World – Formatted Campaign ModelDB files

Dude, you ROCK!!

Now what? I want to add crossbowmen to the English and give them a shield and rename them. Is that possible or do I need GIMP or something?

Otherwise, would it be possible to give Armoured Sergeants a sword instead of a spear without having to modify the skeletons or w/e?

What I'm trying to do is turn them into swordsmen.

[Ishan]

Dude, you ROCK!!

Now what? I want to add crossbowmen to the English and give them a shield and rename them. Is that possible or do I need GIMP or something?

Otherwise, would it be possible to give Armoured Sergeants a sword instead of a spear without having to modify the skeletons or w/e?

What I'm trying to do is turn them into swordsmen.

To give them different shield use the proper name for them in the modeldb file no need for gimp there or for your own custom texture use gimp.
Rename? Then you will rename it for all the factions otherwise for different name create a new unit using the same model and textures.

[gamer025]

To give them different shield use the proper name for them in the modeldb file no need for gimp there or for your own custom texture use gimp.
Rename? Then you will rename it for all the factions otherwise for different name create a new unit using the same model and textures.

OK Then I would only be using the model and unit cards but basically create a new unit for English (and possibly French) factions. So if I want to add a shield to a crossbow man, how do I do that? I would have to change the unit name and description. Could you tell me how to do this please?

OK I'm not sure what I'm looking for here. I found this:

6 france 
72 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_france.texture 
72 unit_models/_Units/EN_Lmail_Hmail/textures/EN_Lmail_Hmail_normal.texture 
46 unit_sprites/france_Crossbowmen_ug1_sprite.spr

I'm guessing those are the regular crossbow men. I have to change them to English, and I want to add a shield. Their colours would have to change to English colours too. Is this even going to be possible? I'll have to change their name also. I'm trying to turn them into this:

[Ishan]

@gamer025
Every unit has a model and different textures for the same model depending upon the faction type.
If you want to add a shield to the crossbow unit then you have to do 3d modelling a very tedious task for a newbie.
If you want to change the existing textures and rename the unit etc that is easy.