A important discover about melee bug.( And a solution)

**pajomife** · March 20, 2010, 01:54 PM

When I try to make a movie to promote my mod, I use columns and others fancy things,when I note the enemies close, I quickly place my troops. But a strange thing happens. Yes the melee bug comes back. I never noted it in this game and in Empire just a few times. Then I try a normal battle as I use to play,with the formations set in the beginning ,and no bug.

So,I reach to a conclusion,to prevent it, we should place the troops at the start, and made few strange movements ,at least close the enemy troops.

Buged

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**♔GrinningManiac♔** · March 20, 2010, 03:43 PM

Interesting

However, it would be ill-advised to make movies with the AI, as, though sturdy, it is prone for not doing what you want

**pajomife** · March 20, 2010, 04:39 PM

This was coincidence, Im justing put the columns in two lines and march untill I reach the combat front, but when I align they just in front of the english army , the enemy simple dont stop walking, and when they reach the charge distance ,they charged. I only note this now because in normal game or testing my mod I use the start deployment to engage in combat, with few tactical changes.
In Napoleon this bug is almost irrelevant , but in Empire could be moded to reduce it.

**♔Dignan♔** · April 01, 2010, 06:33 AM

Have you created a mod for this? If I'm understanding you correctly, your mod forces the AI units to deploy in column formation? Is that correct? Does it lessen melee bug?

**BruceR** · April 01, 2010, 08:03 AM

What he's saying is if you set up and advance your forces the way the computer "expects" you to, the BAI will act more intelligently. If you set up or advance in an unorthodox way, the BAI acts less intelligently. It's a data point to be sure, but that wouldn't be a particularly surprising observation for any kind of human-AI interaction.

**~~metenojo~~** · April 01, 2010, 04:44 PM

I think that the AI acts like a mirror, but the melee bug is barley noted in Napoleon, if we dont make a weird movement the AI acts very well.

**Kubrick** · April 01, 2010, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by metenojo

I think that the AI acts like a mirror, but the melee bug is barley noted in Napoleon, if we dont make a weird movement the AI acts very well.

I beg to differ, I use my normal tactic of placing Line Infantry and Grenadiers hand in hand and in front of them a row of skirmishers to harass advancing enemy Lines while Cavalry tries to flank. However, halfway the battlefield I halt my infantry to wait for the advancing enemy and shoot them.

I expect the enemy to stop once in range and take the first shot, then to return fire and once shot a couple of times, flank or charge. Instead they don't stop, they keep moving, some doing a very thin Fire and Advance which obviously fails and then they still charge.

The entire AI code is messed up and I hope a good mod to fix the AI will come out soon, or is one out already?

**Frederf** · April 01, 2010, 05:49 PM

The actual AI mechanics are hardcoded. Mods can't change the laws by which the AI operates, but instead can fiddle with the stats so the AI mechanics work better. It always makes me go cross-eyed when a mod advertises "BAI fix" since that's like saying you fixed the laws of physics by making the car lighter.

**pajomife** · April 01, 2010, 06:13 PM

There are some files in mods who change some distances, like the charge stance to cavalry or infantry,with some more tweaks we can really change the game,I give you a example, if you reduce a lot the cavalry speed when they walk, this will prevent to reach the attack point much before the infantry and it prevents they charge alone.

**cpdwane** · April 02, 2010, 08:27 AM

I've always found that the best way to get rid of the melee bug is to put the unit sizes on normal. Yes, the units are smaller so the battles are less realistic, but it does get rid of the melee bug every single time.