I was always thinking that many things we now perceive as Ottoman or etc
may also was Byzantine .
Example.
The parameroion
Topkapi Palace Byzantine swords?
Mameluk sword used by usa marines
Georgian swords
I was always thinking that many things we now perceive as Ottoman or etc
may also was Byzantine .
Example.
The parameroion
Topkapi Palace Byzantine swords?
Mameluk sword used by usa marines
Georgian swords
so crescent has a meaning for byzantines too then..interesting..
"Surely Allah enjoins to do justice and to adopt good behavior and to give help to relatives-neighours(whoever you can reach), and forbids shameful acts, evil deeds and oppressive attitude. He exhorts you, so that you may be mindful." Qur'an; 16:90 (this is the verse that is recited every friday in sermons during the Friday Prayer rituals)
"Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." Prophet Muhammad
The crescent with a star was an ancient symbol of the city of Byzantium. It has been found on ancient coins. The crescent on its own was associated with the goddess Artemis, or just the moon. I think it's a fairly global symbol.
When is that first picture from, Jo?
St-Mercurius circa 1295, Macedonia
Hmm it seems trying to discuss about byzantine hardware is nt so cool
I guess i should tried something about pilum or gladius or Medieval knights or etc
it is hard theme not for pop History.
If I'm not mistaken, the Byzantines adopted the paramenion from their contact with steppe peoples. (Alans, Avars, Turkomans, khazars etc. ) I don't think it was an independent Byzantine invention.
Learn about Byzantium! http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Toward-Warfare
Civitate,Ex Content Writer,Ex Curator, Ex Moderator
Proud patron of Jean=A=Luc
In Patronicum sub Celsius
Last edited by maerd2003; March 18, 2010 at 01:23 PM.
"Surely Allah enjoins to do justice and to adopt good behavior and to give help to relatives-neighours(whoever you can reach), and forbids shameful acts, evil deeds and oppressive attitude. He exhorts you, so that you may be mindful." Qur'an; 16:90 (this is the verse that is recited every friday in sermons during the Friday Prayer rituals)
"Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, curtails their rights, burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment." Prophet Muhammad
Hmm interesting but doesn't the crescent and star is goes all way back to Sumerians and Phonicians ?
Last edited by HeroSK; March 18, 2010 at 01:37 PM.
We're commonly told that curved sabers were preferred on horseback or in combat because you could slash better with them. I have to disagree. When you are riding a horse at full gallop and you strike someone in the face, back or chest, little will it matter if the blade is curved or not, that person is dead. I think the real advantage of a saber is that you can use your free hand to press against the flat end of the saber and have more control in close quarter combat. The curve conforms better with the natural curve of the body.
"Mors Certa, Hora Incerta."
"We are a brave people of a warrior race, descendants of the illustrious Romans, who made the world tremor. And in this way we will make it known to the whole world that we are true Romans and their descendants, and our name will never die and we will make proud the memories of our parents." ~ Despot Voda 1561
"The emperor Trajan, after conquering this country, divided it among his soldiers and made it into a Roman colony, so that these Romanians are descendants, as it is said, of these ancient colonists, and they preserve the name of the Romans." ~ 1532, Francesco della Valle Secretary of Aloisio Gritti, a natural son to Doge
I tend to agree with the opinion that on the horseback if you have a saber you can use it mostly to slash not to thrust, so the curved shape it's beter. Because there is a distance between a horseman and his opponent (on horse or on foot) you can't use the thrust movement, also you don't have enough stability on saddle to make a thrust.
For thrust horseman used long weapons like lances.
Nowone noticed that the Saint wears a kazaka armour
in greek you know what kazaka means - vest καζακα
cloth in combine with chainmail
The easiest way to distinguish between an Ottoman kilij and other types of curved swords is the weight distribution. Most traditional kilij-type weapons are heavily weighted at the tip. For once wiki has a useful bit of information:
Even earlier Turco-Mongol swords show this kind of weighting, which is possibly a Chinese influence. The idea here is that Turco-Mongol peoples took Chinese swords and merely lightened them to use them on horseback, as well as requiring fewer raw materials to produce. It's still mostly speculation, though, and some speculate that the influence was in the reverse direction (i.e., from Turco-Mongol peoples to the Chinese).
Last edited by Crimson Scythe; March 19, 2010 at 06:27 PM.
Son of SétantaProtected by the Legion of RahlProud corporal in the house of God Emperor Nicholas
The Armenian Issue
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/group.php?groupid=1930I am a spark, soon to become a flame, and grow into an inferno...
In tribute to concerned friends:
- You know nothing Jon Snow.
Samples from the Turkish Cuisine by white-wolf