Star Wars the Old Republic - Official Thread

[Knight of Heaven]

Just my opinion, but why pick a class with a lightsaber if you're not going to stab people in the face with it? What's fun about standing back and shooting lightning at everybody?

He is a sith sorcerer its good points are force powers and not very good at close combat, for that you can chose Sith warrior i think the way the classes and their caracteristics are distributed, gives for a very fun gameplay.
I remember Kotor been the same, with consulars. diferent classes diferent gameplays and diferent game experiences, im more then ok with that.

[grinder]

I was including KOTOR in the category of media in which we've seen Star Wars armor, and even in KOTOR, which takes place in the same time-frame roughly, the armor is not WoW-y. This armor is clearly designed for the same audience that thinks huge shoulderpads and massive swords are cool.

1. Well, guys with over the top armor, shoulder pads and swords is exactly what ancient Sith, whom the Sith from TOR are clearly related to and are based on, where. In fact they prefered ridiculous fantasy-swords over lightsabers.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_sword
Plus, the shoulder pads while big (and not even all are), are nowhere near WoW-dimension
So not everything you find bad, is necessarily WoWs fault. As much as you would like this to be the case.

2. The TOR era is not like the KotOR era at all. The Sith are a totally different thing.
In KotOR, Revan and Malak ruled unchallenged (and mostly as military commanders), with some dark jedi as elite-troops and the rest was a fairly common, streamlined and effective military machine.
In TOR the Sith have an Emperor, a council, many different splinter factions, who often hate each other with a passion, and are far more interested in self-portrayal, and showing off their wealth and power.
They are politicians, military leaders and governors, judges and executioners.
They are like a dark mirror image to the Republic, if the Jedi ever fell to the dark side and seized power.

Malak and Revan didn't care about luxury, wealth and comfort at all, it seems, while the Sith from TOR revel in those things (just look at the player ships). And why shouldn't they. They built their careers over years, through intrigue, bribery murder and so forth, while Revan, in the first place, didn't even plan to create an Empire. He stumbled upon the Star Forge, in his search of a way to save the galaxy from the Mandalorians, so he used it, and his Empire kinda "happened along the way".

[Stavroforos]

1. Well, guys with over the top armor, shoulder pads and swords is exactly what ancient Sith, whom the Sith from TOR are clearly related to and are based on, where. In fact they prefered ridiculous fantasy-swords over lightsabers.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_sword
Plus, the shoulder pads while big (and not even all are), are nowhere near WoW-dimension
So not everything you find bad, is necessarily WoWs fault. As much as you would like this to be the case.

2. The TOR era is not like the KotOR era at all. The Sith are a totally different thing.
In KotOR, Revan and Malak ruled unchallenged (and mostly as military commanders), with some dark jedi as elite-troops and the rest was a fairly common, streamlined and effective military machine.
In TOR the Sith have an Emperor, a council, many different splinter factions, who often hate each other with a passion, and are far more interested in self-portrayal, and showing off their wealth and power.
They are politicians, military leaders and governors, judges and executioners.
They are like a dark mirror image to the Republic, if the Jedi ever fell to the dark side and seized power.

Malak and Revan didn't care about luxury, wealth and comfort at all, it seems, while the Sith from TOR revel in those things (just look at the player ships). And why shouldn't they. They built their careers over years, through intrigue, bribery murder and so forth, while Revan, in the first place, didn't even plan to create an Empire. He stumbled upon the Star Forge, in his search of a way to save the galaxy from the Mandalorians, so he used it, and his Empire kinda "happened along the way".

It seems to me that you are justifying what is almost blindingly obvious, that the armor and art direction of TOR has been marketed to appeal to the same type of people who enjoy WoW art and armor. Cartoony? Yes. Over the top? Yes. Ridiculous? Yes.

Also, I have nothing against WoW, considering I played until recently. Out of 10 tiers of armor for 5+ classes, I can't say that there were ever more than 2 or 3 sets which I actually liked and thought looked good. But considering TOR seems to be aimed at replicating WoW and thus appealing to the same kind of gamers, I am not surpirsed that the armor is as lame as has been shown so far.

[Darth Ravenous]

Just my opinion, but why pick a class with a lightsaber if you're not going to stab people in the face with it? What's fun about standing back and shooting lightning at everybody?

You have to admit that Malak with his red jammies and Nihilus with his Scream/Clown mask have a certain silliness about them. And Ragnos... Well his shoulder-pads and rich, ornate robe... aren't those exactly the things you are complaining about?
Perhaps they should consider "over-clothing" like in Lotr Online. So you can wear black, hooded robes, over whatever actual equipment, and feel cool and darky amongst the other millions of Sith Inquisitors wearing black, hooded robes...

Ummm no Malak's red armor looks nothing as silly as ANYTHING TOR has had so far, Nilihil's mask doesn't have anything silly about it's just a mask there is nothing destorted to make it look over the top and I have not seen any TOR pics of sith wearing masks. And about Ragnos yes he has shoulder pads but they don't look like the cartoon style of TOR was my point, I mean if they want shoulder pads in the game why not make the look appealing.

P.S.

1. Well, guys with over the top armor, shoulder pads and swords is exactly what ancient Sith, whom the Sith from TOR are clearly related to and are based on, where. In fact they prefered ridiculous fantasy-swords over lightsabers.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_sword
Plus, the shoulder pads while big (and not even all are), are nowhere near WoW-dimension
So not everything you find bad, is necessarily WoWs fault. As much as you would like this to be the case.

2. The TOR era is not like the KotOR era at all. The Sith are a totally different thing.
In KotOR, Revan and Malak ruled unchallenged (and mostly as military commanders), with some dark jedi as elite-troops and the rest was a fairly common, streamlined and effective military machine.
In TOR the Sith have an Emperor, a council, many different splinter factions, who often hate each other with a passion, and are far more interested in self-portrayal, and showing off their wealth and power.
They are politicians, military leaders and governors, judges and executioners.
They are like a dark mirror image to the Republic, if the Jedi ever fell to the dark side and seized power.

Malak and Revan didn't care about luxury, wealth and comfort at all, it seems, while the Sith from TOR revel in those things (just look at the player ships). And why shouldn't they. They built their careers over years, through intrigue, bribery murder and so forth, while Revan, in the first place, didn't even plan to create an Empire. He stumbled upon the Star Forge, in his search of a way to save the galaxy from the Mandalorians, so he used it, and his Empire kinda "happened along the way".

There is nothing wrong about adding spikes or shoulder pads but do not be so bold as to say any of the pics shown are as cartoonish as TOR.

[grinder]

It seems to me that you are justifying what is almost blindingly obvious, that the armor and art direction of TOR has been marketed to appeal to the same type of people who enjoy WoW art and armor. Cartoony? Yes. Over the top? Yes. Ridiculous? Yes.

Why is it, that those criticism can only, fully be applied to the sith warrior, and especially the sith inquisitor?
Are the other classes not designed to appeal to WoW-Players? Where are shoulder-pads on the smuggler? The consular? The jedi knight?
(Bounty hunter and Soldier have pads as well, though more in the fashion Boba Fett and stromtroopers wore them. Actually protective stuff)
They are prominent on those two classes. And I still think this is because they present a foreign culture, that came back to the known galaxy and likes, for whatever reason, ridiculous over the top stuff.
It's the way Bioware has chosen to discriminate the sith from the jedi/republic. I don't think there is much more to it.
As I said multiple times, I am no fan of some of the shown armor either. I just think it:

a) is a matter of tastes
b) does not matter that much, if armor design will be the game's biggest issue I'll be glad
c) is, to a good portion, due to random, mismatching armor pieces thrown together from different questing locations

I think this is more honest then what other companies did. Like choosing some perfect replica of a Warcraft 2/3 grunt's armor, equipping a bunch of orc with it for preview shots, and thus pretending horde faction would have fitting armor throughout the game. (yeah I can criticize Blizzard as well!)

There is nothing wrong about adding spikes or shoulder pads but do not be so bold as to say any of the pics shown are as cartoonish as TOR.

Yadda, yadda... MARKA RAGNOS HORNS! They look soooo WoW druid style!

[Stavroforos]

I don't mind with armor necessarily being over the top, as there are many examples in history as well of over the top armor. I am not a fan of the way it is being shown in TOR, though, as it just seems ridiculous and something which wouldn't be worn. I mean, what the hell is with the smuggler's cowboy hat?!?

[grinder]

I guess because it has a certain "outlaw" look about it? I don't know I kinda like it. Also, you can disable headwear, if you don't like it (wish that where possible in KotOR, that game had some hellish headwear designs ).

[Stavroforos]

I guess because it has a certain "outlaw" look about it? I don't know I kinda like it. Also, you can disable headwear, if you don't like it (wish that where possible in KotOR, that game had some hellish headwear designs ).

I only disabled headwear so people could see my cool hairstyle.

[grinder]

I only disabled headwear so people could see my cool hairstyle.

Fair enough.

Hey, would you mind to watch this: looking out for any armor and summarize what you think of them?
I didn't pay attention before, when watching this particular video, but I think they are overall much better, then some of the prominent "anti-examples".
It almost gives me the hope, that some of the worse pictures (they are pretty old) are outdated.
Perhaps it will be, over all, better, than we might think. Bad examples stick to the mind after all...

[Razvus]

http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/527

so true. but that's the same with mmo's in general.

also, after seeing that 10min thing on Tatooine... it's not just Wow, it's a mash of all MMo's out there atm. It was the same feeling I got when I tried Rift. The only difference would be that I would give a bit more of a damn about this lore, and it will be well polished.

[Darth Ravenous]

Fair enough.

Hey, would you mind to watch this: looking out for any armor and summarize what you think of them?
I didn't pay attention before, when watching this particular video, but I think they are overall much better, then some of the prominent "anti-examples".
It almost gives me the hope, that some of the worse pictures (they are pretty old) are outdated.
Perhaps it will be, over all, better, than we might think. Bad examples stick to the mind after all...

In the council room everyone looks normal, in the encounter everyone except the bounty hunter looks ok and his right shoulder pad looks like it is hovering off his body, the lady right after him with the *pets* actually looks quite well, during the duel the sith spikes are ok but the tube they are attached to looks to big and he has a flotation tube around his waist, the 2 ladies look ok the tank and the smuggler, the boba fett guy looks ok as well, no real problems after that until the jedi and twilek part because once again the shoulder pads look like they're hovering off his armor which is weird, no further problems after that though some even look cool.

[The Edain]

In the council room everyone looks normal, in the encounter everyone except the bounty hunter looks ok and his right shoulder pad looks like it is hovering off his body, the lady right after him with the *pets* actually looks quite well, during the duel the sith spikes are ok but the tube they are attached to looks to big and he has a flotation tube around his waist, the 2 ladies look ok the tank and the smuggler, the boba fett guy looks ok as well, no real problems after that until the jedi and twilek part because once again the shoulder pads look like they're hovering off his armor which is weird, no further problems after that though some even look cool.

Basically some minor graphical bugs But, I saw a interview with one of the devs during E3 and he said the team are now in full polish mode so those will most likely be corrected. Also they are all trying to playing through it before the character wipe and the next build thats produced

[grinder]

In the council room everyone looks normal, in the encounter everyone except the bounty hunter looks ok and his right shoulder pad looks like it is hovering off his body, the lady right after him with the *pets* actually looks quite well, during the duel the sith spikes are ok but the tube they are attached to looks to big and he has a flotation tube around his waist, the 2 ladies look ok the tank and the smuggler, the boba fett guy looks ok as well, no real problems after that until the jedi and twilek part because once again the shoulder pads look like they're hovering off his armor which is weird, no further problems after that though some even look cool.

Pretty much what I thought as well. I think overall armors will be decent enough (with some standing out in both directions). For the good guys I am actually positive that most will look really good. You can't do much wrong with brown/beige colored robes after all.

[thespaniard]

I like the eastern style of clothing worn by the lightside but omg the sith warrior looks like hes a ficken medieval knight and no thats not a good thing he looks completely retarded I would have played sith warrior if not for his armor. Now im torn between sith operative or jedi warrior

[eregost]

Just my opinion, but why pick a class with a lightsaber if you're not going to stab people in the face with it? What's fun about standing back and shooting lightning at everybody?

It's a caster class, based off Palpatine. I don't get your point, should the Sith Inquisitor be empty handed? Force heavy Jedi/Sith still carry lightsabers.

[Darth Ravenous]

I like the eastern style of clothing worn by the lightside but omg the sith warrior looks like hes a ficken medieval knight and no thats not a good thing he looks completely retarded I would have played sith warrior if not for his armor. Now im torn between sith operative or jedi warrior

Actually your quite wrong, most sith of this era did look like knights of old it's just that the cartoony graphics pull them off wrong. However they are getting better as you can see in SOME outfits from the video above.

[Hotspur]

It's a caster class, based off Palpatine. I don't get your point, should the Sith Inquisitor be empty handed? Force heavy Jedi/Sith still carry lightsabers.

My point is that shooting lightning looks less fun than the righteous fury of lightsaber combat.

[eregost]

My point is that shooting lightning looks less fun than the righteous fury of lightsaber combat.

That's your opinon. Other people disagree. That's why you have this thing called 'options' so you can choose to deliver righteous fury of lightsaber combat if you want to.

[thespaniard]

at 0:53 that is the only decent looking sith warrior outfit ive seen so far but he still looks much more like a pilot than a sith warrior

[Hotspur]

That's your opinon. Other people disagree. That's why you have this thing called 'options' so you can choose to deliver righteous fury of lightsaber combat if you want to.

I thought I made that obvious. Let me illustrate:

Just my opinion, but why pick a class with a lightsaber if you're not going to stab people in the face with it? What's fun about standing back and shooting lightning at everybody?

I know, reading is hard.