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    Introduction

    This thread should keep you informed about the new titles and offices system and the special rules of certain titles.

    In general you can appoint new counts and dukes by sending a character who not is holding any titles into the respective settlement and keep him there for two turns. Bishops can be appointed by creating a priest in the respective settlement or sent an unmarried character with the trait "Bastard".

    Both, holders of worldly titles and non-priest characters with a bishop's title get a "feudal bonus" in certain provinces. This is: +1 Law, +5% Tax, +1 Defence, 25% Discount on Recruitment Costs


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    Rex Romanorum. This title is held by the elected German King (litteraly "King of the Romans").
    In case the king "misbehaves" the German lords might also elect a counter-king with the same title. The existence of a counter-king will trigger a civil war between both that can only be solved by the death of one of the two holders.

    The Rex Romanorum gets his feudal bonus in Köln, Mainz, Worms, Würzburg, Nürnberg, Augsburg and Strassburg.

    Imperator Augustus. When no civil war is going on the king can make a Romzug and acquire the title of Emperor after coronation by the pope (or by an anti-pope).

    Being emperor crowned allows for appointing bishops in Brandenburg, Lübeck and Stettin even when not holding the said provinces, provided no one has done so so far (sent a suitable character into the respective province).

    The emperor might also make the High Duke of Poland a king provided both are allied and the Duke is not already a king. He might also do so for the Duke of Bohemia (not yet implemented).

    As the most important right, a crowned emperor can call for the election of another Rex Romanorum as his successor: When no civil war is going on and the faction heir of the emperor's faction is the son of a former emperor himself, this heir will acquire the title Rex Romanorum and will succeed the emperor without a new election taking place after the death of the emperor.

    Iron Crown of Lombardy. This title can be acquired in Milan (province) provided you are allied to the faction that holds Milan.

    Crown of Burgundy. This title will be held by the Emperor when Besancon is held by a German faction.


    Archoffices
    Archoffices are tied to certain titles that every German faction can acquire:

    Archeseneschal (Erztruchsess/Archidapifer) The Duke of Upper Lorraine
    Archemarshall (Erzmarschall/Archimareschallus) The Duke of Swabia
    Archechamberlain (Erzkämmerer/Archicamerarius) The Duke of Bavaria
    Archecupbearer (Erzmundschenk/Archipincerna) The Duke of Bohemia

    Archecancellor for Germany (Archicancellarius per Germaniam) The Archbishop of Mainz
    Archecancellor for Italy (Archicancellarius per Italiam) The Archbishop of Cologne
    Archecancellor for Burgundy (Archicancellarius per Galliam) The Archbishop of Trier

    Each gives +2 Authority, +2 Popularity; otherwise these are honoric offices only. They can only be acquired when no civil war is going on.


    Other Imperial Offices
    Vice-Chancellor. The emperor might appoint bishops (i.e. generals with a clerical title) vice-chancellor when no civil war is going on. This would also apply to bishops of other German factions. +1 Law, +5% Tax, +1 Authority, +1 Popularity, +2 Loyalty.

    Reichsmarschall. The factional marshal of an emperor (see below) holds the title of a Reichsmarschall, giving him additionally +1 Command, +1 Authority, +1 Popularity.

    Gubernator Imperii
    . When the emperor is doing his Romzug, his faction heir will acquire this tile; +1 Law, +1 Command, +5% Tax.


    Factional Offices
    Each imperial faction leader (that is the German factions, Milan and Bohemia) might appoint officials for his court. These offices are held by lifelong appointement and become hereditary. The number of offices available depends on the number of settlements held.

    Cancellarius. (always) This office can only be held by a general with a clerical title. +1 Authority, +1 Popularity, +5% Tax, +1 Law, +2 Loyalty

    Marescallus. (always) +1 Authority, +1 Popularity, +2 Command, +2 Loyalty

    Dapifer. (Seneschal/Truchseß), hold 5 or more settlements. +1 Authority, +1 Popularity, +1 Farming, +1 Command, +2 Loyalty

    Camerarius. (Chamberlain/Kämmerer) hold 10 or more settlements. +1 Authority, +1 Popularity, +1 Farming, +5% Tax, +2 Loyalty

    Buticularius. (Cup-Bearer/Mundschenk), hold 15 or more settlements. +1 Authority, +1 Popularity, +5% Trade, -1 Unrest, +2 Loyalty


    Suggested roleplaying
    As emperor your foremost task will be to ensure peace and security within the Empire. You should never support a duke attacking another one, and of course you should not promote such an behaviour by attacking your subjects yourself. Whenever internal peace is threatened by one of your dukes you should not hesitate to support the attacked duke(s) with troops. On the other hand, this is Germany and not Sicily where rebellious lords would be drowned and sawed. So, offer and accept forgiveness whenever possible. But in case a duke simply "wouldn't listen" you shouldn't hesitate either to confiscate his duchy and replace him with a more faithfull person.

    Defending the Empire is your second most important task. While the might of the Empire should not be used to support the "private wars" of the German duchies with foreign rulers, having other people crossing the imperial borders in arms cannot be tolerated, leave alone keeping them in possession of German lands.

    The lands across the Elbe (Lübeck, Brandenburg and Stettin) are legally part of the Empire, so punishing the rebellious Slavs in those regions is urgent and should not be left to the neighbouring dukes. Attacking the other Slavic realms (Poland, Bohemia and Hungary) in return is not acceptable behaviour. These are your vassals, and as long as they pay due respect leave them alone.

    All of Italy, save for the city of Venice, is part of your empire. While allowing Milan some limited liberty, as long as it is staying faithful, would be all right; the pope flying his banners from all towers between Arno and Tiber, in return, is not. The Donation of Pepin only granted him with Rome and the surrounding lands, and not with all of central Italy. Even more offensive would be that Norman kingdom, by grace of the pope, in southern Italy.

    The monarchs in England and France, and all those other petty kings in Europe you should not bother yourself with. As long as they respect the diginitas imperii leave them alone; you have more urgent tasks. One of them would be to place yourself ahead of the new crusading movement. It is evident that such an enterprise can only be headed by one person: the king of kings of western Christianity.


    Herzogtum Franken
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    Dux in Francia. This is the title of Franken's faction leader. It can only be acquired by a member of the House of Franken, that is by Heinrich IV and his family. Once this house died out, the duchy is considered extinct, and future faction leaders will not have any specific title.

    Local bonus is given in Würzburg, Mainz and Frankfurt.


    Comes Palatinus Reni, the Count Palatine of the Rhine. This title can be acquired, and the local bonus is given, in Mainz.

    Lantgravius de Thuringia, the Landgraf of Thüringen. This title can be acquired in Frankfurt, the local bonus is granted in Frankfurt and Magdeburg.

    Suggested Roleplaying
    The Franks consider themselves as the Reichsvolk. As such your task would be to ensure that the imperial crown is always held by one of your people, in particular as long as the Duchy is held by the Salians. Otherwise, once this mighty family died, difficult times will be ahead.


    Herzogtum Bayern
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    Dux Bawarie, the Duke of Bavaria. This title is held by the faction leader of Bayern. Other factions can create that title upon conquest of Passau. The bonus is given in Nürnberg and Passau.

    Marchio de Voheburch, the Markgraf of Vohburg (Nordgau). This title is tied to Nürnberg. The Vohburgers have sided with Heinrich IV, therefore this province is held by Franken on game start.

    Comes de Tyrol, the Count of Tirol. This title is tied to Innsbruck. Albert von Tirol has sided with the Imperial party, and the province is held by Swabia on game start.

    Dux de Carinthia, the Duke of Kärnten. This title can be acquired in Graz (not for faction Austria). The Eppensteiner dukes have sided with the emperor and the province is held by rebels on game start.

    Comes Veronensis, the Count of Verona. This is de jure a part of the Duchy of Bavaria, but as another Eppensteiner possession held by rebels on game start. The local bonus is given in Verona and Görz.


    Suggested Roleplaying
    Comparing this list of legal vassals with the provinces you actually hold should give you enough to do. While the imperial crown is out of reach for now, it is mandatory to restore the Duchy of Bavaria in its old glory.

    Austria is a fief of yours. As long as the Babenbergers stay faithfull you should leave them alone. In case of rebellion you might decide to replace them with one of your relatives.

    As a member of the House of Welf your ambitions should also not be limited to Germany: You hold claims on all Italian possessions of the Welfs as well. This is not just Lombardy, but basically most of northern Italy down to Ancona.

    Historically the Welfs had been able to hold the Duchy of Saxony as well (before being crashed by the Staufers)...


    Markgrafschaft Österreich
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    Marchio Austrie, the Markgraf of Österreich. This title is held by the faction leader of Österreich and can be acquired by other factions in Wien. The local bonus is given in Melk additionally.

    Marchio Styriensis, the Markgraf of Steiermark. This title can be acquired by faction Österreich exclusivly in Graz.


    Suggested Roleplaying
    Before the Habsburger took over, Austria was of rather limited meaning. As ruler over a border march you need to keep an eye on Hungary, or anyone else coming up the Danube. The Babenbergers also were rather active crusaders. May be your true destiny is to be found somewhere else...


    Herzogtum Schwaben
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    Dux Suevorum, the Duke of Swabia. This title is held by the faction leader of Herzogtum Schwaben, and can be created by other factions in Augsburg. The local bonus is given in Augsburg and Zürich.

    Lantgravius Alsatie, the Landgrave of Alsace. This title is tied to Straßburg.

    Comes Kyburgensis, the Count of Kyburg. This title is tied to Zürich. At game start the south of the Duchy of Swabia is held by the Rheinfelder counter-duke, and that way a part of Burgundy.


    Suggested Roleplaying
    The House of Staufen is relativly new to the higher political scene in Germany, but did rise within two generations from obscurity to highest power. As long as the crown is held by the Salians you should remain faithfull to the imperial house, but once you spot an opportunity to do so grasp it. Under no circumstances you should accept a Saxon king. The Staufian imperial politics was always focused on Italy, but also harboured some far reaching plans for the Holy Lands...

    Another opportunity for roleplaying would be the Habsburgers who start the game as your vassals in Alsac. May be, you can find them new lands in Austria?

    For the start you should concentrate on eleminating the two counter dukes in Burgundy, Berthold von Zähringen and Berthold von Rheinfelden.


    Grafschaft Burgund
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    Rektor Burgundiae, the ruler of Burgundy. This title can be acquired in Besancon (not for France and Burgundy). The local bonus is given in Besancon and Dijon. The existence of this title within your faction excludes your family members from acquiring the (French) Duke of Burgundy in Dijon.

    The faction leader of Burgundy holds this title as Comes Burgundiae (Count of Burgundy). He will acquire the title of a Dux Burgundiae (Duke of Burgundy) when his faction holds Besancon and Dijon.

    Dux de Zaeringen, the Duke of Zähringen. This title is held at game start by Berthold von Zähringen. It can be inherited by his offsprings, but not created anew once this family died out.

    The Zähringers claim possession on Swabia and Carinthia, therefore the local bonus is given in Zürich, Augsburg and Graz. One of your family members being Duke of Zähringen also excludes your other family members from acquiring the titles of a Duke of Swabia, Count of Kyburg or Duke of Carinthia. But those titles can still be inherited.

    Comes de Sabaudia, the Count of Savoie. This title is tied to Lyon.


    Suggested Roleplaying
    The Ivreas always were active supporters of the popes with strong ties to Italy in general (the majority of the Ivrea family members most likely were French speaking). They also might have been crusaders, yet that is uncertain. As royal administrators they hold "rest-Burgundy" as their personal county, well expanding into Lorraine.

    Berthold von Zähring was the head of the oppostion in the south. According to elder agreements and family ties he considered himself as the rightfull owner of Swabia and Carinthia. Historically he could have been appeaced by splitting off southern Swabia and forming an duchy of its own on the lands held by the Zähringers. But you must give in that easy.

    Finally, Berthold von Rheinfelden is the son of counter king Rudolf von Rheinfelden. Rudolf, having retreated to Saxony, left his son in charge of his own duchy (yes, also Swabia). But Berthold proofed to be rather weak leaving the war mostly to the Zähringer.


    Herzogtum Oberlothringen
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    Dux Lotharingie, the Duke of (Upper) Lorraine. This title is held by the faction leader of Oberlothringen. The feudal bonus is given in Toul and Metz. Other factions can create this title in Metz.

    Comes Wanderi Montis, the Count of Vaudémont. This title cannot be created. It can inherited the usual way. If vacant this title will be given to a member of the House of Lothringen (that is a relative of the Duke of Lorraine); but not the facion heir. The local bonus is given in Toul.

    Comes de Luccilinburg, the Count of Luxemburg. This title is tied to Trier.


    Herzogtum Niederlothringen
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    Dux Lotharingiae, the Duke of (Lower) Lorraine. The last living reprenstative of the House of Lower Lorraine is Gottfried von Buillon. When the faction leader of Niederlothringen is a member of the House of Buillon he will acquire this title. The faction leader of Niederlothringen will also hold this title when he is emperor. Otherwise the emperor can give this title to his heir, provided Köln and Antwerp are held by (any) German faction.

    Comes Boloniensis, the Count of Buillon. This title is held by Gottfried von Buillon and can be inherited in his family, but not created. The local bonus is given in Antwerp.

    Comes Brachbatensis, the Count of Brabant. This title is tied to Antwerp. In case a Count of Brabant becomes faction leader of Niederlothringen he will acquire the title of a Dux Brachbatensis (Duke of Brabant), provided this faction still holds Antwerp. This will also happen when the faction leader of Niederlothringen is a Duke of Limburg.

    Comes de Lemborch, the Count of Limburg. This title is tied to Köln. In case a Count of Limburg becomes faction leader of Niederlothringen he will acquire the title of a Dux de Lemborch (Duke of Limburg), provided this faction still holds Köln. This will also happen when the faction leader of Niederlothringen is a Duke of Brabant.

    Comes Nammucensis, the Count of Namur. This title is held by Albert von Namur and can be inherited within his family, but not created anew. The local bonus is given in Köln and Antwerp.


    Vicedux Lotharingiae
    , the Vice-Duke of (Lower-)Lorraine. This title is held by any faction leader of Niederlothringen who is neither of the Houses of Buillon, Brabant or Limburg nor emperor. This title gives +1 Law, -1 Popularity in Köln and Antwerp.

    Comes Flandrensis, the Count of Flandres. This title is tied to Bruges. The Count of Flandres also is a member of the House of Hennegau (Cambrai) and might that way acquire said title too, if not allready held in his faction.

    Comes Holtlandensis, the Count of Holland. This title is tied to Utrecht.


    Herzogtum Sachsen
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    Dux Saxonum, the Duke of Saxony. This title is held by the faction leader of Sachsen. The local bonus is given in all three starting provinces.

    Princeps Angariae, the Lord of Engern. This title is tied to Hamburg/Braunschweig. It can only be created by faction Sachsen.

    Comes in Pago Astvala, Count of Ostfalen. This title is tied to Magdeburg. It can only be created by faction Sachsen.

    Comes in Pago Westfala, Count of Westfalen. This title is tied to Münster/Bremen. It can only be created by faction Sachsen.

    Dux de Bruneswich, the Duke of Brunswick. This title can be created for all factions save for Saxony in Magdeburg. As a special feature, it will also be acquired by all sons of a Duke of Brunswick.

    Comes Holtzaciae, Count of Holstein. This title can be created for all factions save for Saxony in Hamburg/Braunschweig.


    East Elbian titles
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    Dux Magnipolensis, the Duke of Mecklenburg. This title is tied to Lübeck.

    Marchio in Branneburch, the Margrave of Brandenburg. This title is tied to Brandenburg. It is held at game start by Lothar von Stade but the province is held by the Obotrites.

    Dux Pomeranorum, the Duke of Pomerania. This title is tied to Stettin and Danzig.


    Ceské Knizectvi
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    Dux Boemie, the Duke of Bohemia. This title is held by the faction leader of Ceské Knizectvi. It can be created by other factions in Prague. The local bonus is given in Prague.

    Rex Boemie, the King of Bohemia. Not yet implemented.

    Dux Maravie, the Duke of Moravia. If vacant this title will be given to the faction heir of Ceské Knizectvi, provided this faction still owns Olmutz. Other factions can create it in Olmutz. The local bonus is given in the same province.



    Italy

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    Marchio de Longobardia, the Margrave of Lombardy. This title is held by the faction leader of Marca di Lombardia as long as this faction holds Milan. All other factions can create it in Milan. The local bonus is given there and in Genoa.

    Comes Veronensis, the Count of Verona. This title can be created in Verona. The local bonus is given in Verona and Görz.

    Comes Parmensis, the Count of Parma. This title is tied to Parma.

    Comes Bononie, the Count of Bologna. This title is tied to Bologna.

    Marchio Tuscie, the Margave of Tuscany. This title can be created in Forence. The local bonus is given there and in Pisa. At game start is title is held by Matilda of Canossa, a princess of the Papal States.

    Dux Spolitinus, the Duke of Spoleto. This title is tied to Ancona.

    Dux Romanus, the Duke of Rome. This title can be created in Rome, save for the Papal States.

    Dux Veneticorum, the Duke of Venice. This title is tied to Venice (not used by faction Venice).

    Marchio de Corsica, the Margrave of Corsica. This title is tied to Ajaccio.


    ....more to come.....
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    Well that's nice :-) now i just need an overview over the italian-titels. congrats so far.

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    It might be an interesting idea to add the royal titles of Burgundy, Italy and Lotharingia. These titles would be held by the Emperor in 1080 (except for Lotharingia), but could be used by a duke to declare independance from Imperial rule and form his own kingdom:

    Lotharingia
    Factions: Lower Lorraine, Upper Lorraine
    City Requirements: Antwerp, Koln, Trier, Metz, Toul

    Burgundy
    Factions: Burgundy
    City Requirements: Besancon, Lyons, Dijon, Provence

    Italy
    Factions: Milan
    City Requirements: Milan, Genoa, Verona, Parma

    A duke who fufills these requirements can declare independance in any of these circumstances:
    1) The duke is under the Reichsacht.
    2) A new Emperor has just been elected (the duke can choose not to do homage)
    3) There is a Civil War in progress, and the duke is one of the candidates. They can then sign a peace with their rival, by which they will relinquish their claim to the Imperial throne, but gain the independance of their own kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser101 View Post
    Lotharingia
    Factions: Lower Lorraine, Upper Lorraine
    City Requirements: Antwerp, Koln, Trier, Metz, Toul
    This was discussed but rejected: In both Lorraines the ducal power already was very weak and both were even more fragemtating in a way that would not be possible to be displayed in the game. Therefore there should be no way for an "official" reunion.

    Burgundy
    Factions: Burgundy
    City Requirements: Besancon, Lyons, Dijon, Provence
    This would be an idea, even though the formation of an independent Burgundy happened much later. If so, Burgundy would needed to be excluded from the Reich, with no chance to ever become emperor (so best a "yes-no" event). Let's see, may be later......

    Italy
    Factions: Milan
    City Requirements: Milan, Genoa, Verona, Parma
    Yes, this is something similar I had thought about too: There was a but short periode of Italian "national emperors" before the Ottonians finally took over. The idea could be that this would be "reactivated" by the pope by crowning one of the Italian lords emperor. This could either be the FL of Sicily or of Milan or a Papal general with an Italian title.

    The requirement could be that this faction is very strong, there is no German emperor (because of a civil war going on) and both Rex Romanorum would be excommunicated; or something like that. In this case, when the FL of Milan becomes emperor, he would also hold the Crown of Italy. Let's see, may be later.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laser101 View Post
    A duke who fufills these requirements can declare independance in any of these circumstances:
    1) The duke is under the Reichsacht.
    2) A new Emperor has just been elected (the duke can choose not to do homage)
    3) There is a Civil War in progress, and the duke is one of the candidates. They can then sign a peace with their rival, by which they will relinquish their claim to the Imperial throne, but gain the independance of their own kingdom.
    Intresting idea. But I think you should have the ability to re-join the Empire, I.E. when a civil war is going on you can choose to side with one of the Emperors, or perhaps a bit more peacefull, when a new Emperor is crowned or elected. A yes/no message will give you the choice. I think it is possible to script, but would require quite a few new lines, slowing the game down. Even the undetailed idea requires many new lines. I hope the team would implent this in one of the next versions, because it would be great (the Bohemians were doing this, right?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JorisofHolland View Post
    A yes/no message will give you the choice. I think it is possible to script, but would require quite a few new lines, slowing the game down.
    I will be placing as much as possible of it into EDCT and EDA. This is not so much consuming.

    I hope the team would implent this in one of the next versions, because it would be great (the Bohemians were doing this, right?)
    The Bohemians, in our time frame, became kings due to imperial approvement; as sime kind of "reward" for military support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konny View Post
    This was discussed but rejected: In both Lorraines the ducal power already was very weak and both were even more fragemtating in a way that would not be possible to be displayed in the game. Therefore there should be no way for an "official" reunion.
    I was thinking of a reunification by force rather than diplomacy...

    Quote Originally Posted by konny View Post
    This would be an idea, even though the formation of an independent Burgundy happened much later. If so, Burgundy would needed to be excluded from the Reich, with no chance to ever become emperor (so best a "yes-no" event). Let's see, may be later......
    I was thinking more along the lines of a revival of the Carolingian Kingdom of Burgundy than a new state.
    The idea was that if Burgundy fufilled the criteria, they would be able to secede from the Empire as an independant kingdom. This of course disqualifies them from Imperial Elections.
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    Indeed very nice how about switzerland titles ?

    btw can we use it in mod Patria Libera?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IVIarkI2I View Post
    how about switzerland titles ?
    What later became the Swiss Conferderation, in our timeframe was part of the Duchy of Swabia. In 1080 this was contested between the Houses of Staufen and that of Zähringen. The result was that the southern part of Swabia later was splitt from the duchy and became the Duchy of Zähringen. When with Berthold V the last Zähringer duke died (1218) the duchy fell apart and the lands around Zürich came under control of the Counts of Kyburg. But Zürich, Bern and other towns became free Imperial Cities. After the death of the last Kyburger, Hartmann IV in 1264, this region was inherited by Rudolf von Habsburg, who already held large parts of later Switzerland and (in vain) tried to recreate the Duchy of Swabia.

    These three titels are implemente. After Rudolf's death in 1291 the Swiss Federation was founded.

    btw can we use it in mod Patria Libera?
    In case of the general system, yes why not. In case of the detailed titles I would strongly advise you to start your own researches because the situation in 1300 was seriously different than in 1080. For example, all these titles abive should not be included in your mod because their non-existence was the requirment for the Swiss Federation to develop at all.

    In both of France and England you would need a system of royal duchies, In Germany about 1/3 of the lands were held by independent prince-bishoprics etcpp. There is a reason why dHRR ends in 1250.

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    hey konny when u mentioned the hungarian titles on the other post u talked about some specific requirements to get the title. are there more like that? i ask cuz the map you linked me to reveals that there are titles in Acre and Tripoli but i havnt been able to get them after conquering the settlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pchalk View Post
    hey konny when u mentioned the hungarian titles on the other post u talked about some specific requirements to get the title. are there more like that? i ask cuz the map you linked me to reveals that there are titles in Acre and Tripoli but i havnt been able to get them after conquering the settlements.
    Acre is a secondary title of the King of Jerusalem, historically held by the heir of the Kingdom. Because we cannot define a specific heir for Jerusalem, this title can be acquired by members of the House of Jerusalem when they are somewhere in the Holy Land, and you have a King of Jerusalem in your faction.

    The same is BTW for Damascus: This title (Domius in terram Transjordanam) can only be acquired (by any general) when you have a King of Jerusalem in your faction. It also is not hereditary.

    Concerning Tripolis: there was an error report. I thought I had fixed it, but apparently didn't. I'll re-open this case in my to-do list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by konny View Post
    Acre is a secondary title of the King of Jerusalem, historically held by the heir of the Kingdom. Because we cannot define a specific heir for Jerusalem, this title can be acquired by members of the House of Jerusalem when they are somewhere in the Holy Land, and you have a King of Jerusalem in your faction.

    The same is BTW for Damascus: This title (Domius in terram Transjordanam) can only be acquired (by any general) when you have a King of Jerusalem in your faction. It also is not hereditary.

    Concerning Tripolis: there was an error report. I thought I had fixed it, but apparently didn't. I'll re-open this case in my to-do list.
    cool thanks konny, any other specific titles limited like this?

    actually count of Tripoli ended up showing up, just a little longer than usual idk

    woops i accidentally 2 posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by pchalk View Post
    cool thanks konny, any other specific titles limited like this?
    Yes, a couple.

    I am just making similar threads on our German forum (whenever I have the time), and will afterwards continue with this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by pchalk View Post
    actually count of Tripoli ended up showing up, just a little longer than usual idk
    ok

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    Any chance you'll finish this konny? If not, I might as well add little bits and pieces as I look them up myself.
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    I'm starting a campaign as Hungary, so I'll be digging up all titles from the code anyway. To not forget stuff I'll post them here, maybe it will also be usefull to someone else.

    There seem to be two titles for every province: a Hungarian title, non-hereditary, and a 'common' title, for the other factions.

    Rex Hungariae, the King of Hungary. The Faction Leader of Hungary always holds this title. Other factions can aquire it by leaving their Faction Leader in Esztergom for one turn, as long as there is no Hungarian holder of the title (i.e. Hungary has been destroyed), and only when the title Archiepiscopus Strigoniensis, Archbishop of Esztergom, is also held within his faction. The local bonus is given in Esztergom, Pécs and Gyulafehérvár.

    Dux Tercia Pars Regni, a title always held by the Hungarian Faction heir, but never by the Faction Leader. The local bonus is given in Kassa and Várad.

    Comes Strigoniensis, the King's ruler (Ispan) of the lands around Esztergom. This title is tied to Esztergom and can only be aquired by Hungary and Byzantium. The title is not hereditary and can be given by any other character at anytime.

    Comes Comaromiensis
    , the Count of Komárom. This title is tied to Esztergom and can be created there by all faction but Hungary and Byzantium.

    Comes Baraniensis, the King's ruler (Ispan) of the lands around Pécs. This title can only be aquired by Hungary and Byzantium, is not hereditary and can be given to another character by giving him the ancillary.

    Comes Tolnensis, the Count of Tolna. This title can be created in Pécs for all factions but Hungary and Byzantium.

    Woyuoda Transsiluanus, King's ruler over Transylvania. This title can be aquired by Hungary or Byzantium, doesn't become hereditary and can be given to another character by giving him the ancillary.

    Comes Bellegratae, the Count of Transylvania. This title can be created in Gyulafehérvár but for Hungary and Byzantium.

    Comes Varadiensis, the King's ruler (Ispan) over the lands around Várad. Can only be created by Hungary and Byzantium, not hereditary and can be given to another character by giving him the ancillary.

    Comes Bihariensis, the Count of Bihar. The title is tied to Várad and cannot be created by Hungary and Byzantium.

    Dux Nitravie, the Duke of Nitra. This title is tied to Kassa.

    Rex Croatiae, the King of Croatia. It can be inherited the usual way and created on conquest of Zagreb, Zara or Ragusa (provided the title is not held by anyone, anywhere) and the bonus is given in Zagreb, Zara and Ragusa.

    Banus Croatorum, King's ruler (Ban) of Croatia. This title can be created in Zagreb, Zara and Ragusa and the bonus is given in all three provinces, provided your king holds the title Rex Croatiae. The title is not hereditary and can be given to another character by giving him the ancillary.

    And then there are the offices for Hungary.
    Agasonum Regalium Magister, the Royal Marshal. This title can be aquired by a character that is not the Faction Leader nor Heir and has at least three loyalty. Higher loyalty gives a higher chance per turn.

    Magister Tavernicorum, the Royal Treasurer. This title can be aquired only by the Royal Marshal in the same manner as the Marshal office. A character appointed Treasurer will loose the Marshal trait.

    Iudex Curiae Regiae, the judge of the Royal Court. Works like the Treasurer trait, except that it requires the character to be Treasurer already. Likewise, the office of Treasurer becomes available again once a character has been appointed Royal Judge.

    Comes Palatinus, the palatine of the Hungarian King. Works like the other offices and can only be aquired by the Royal Judge, who then looses the title of Royal Judge. This is the highest ranking office.

    And I haven't even included the Balkan titles, which you will (want to) aquire in the inevitable battle against Byzantium!
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    Ah...I admit, I love this latin way about the titles!

    "Dux Romanus"

    A lot of way I had seen "Patricius", title weared by the german emperors, or more later by the Colonna, Orsini and others.
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    Is it intentional that there is no Passau?
    The title bonus counts for Regensburg though.

    Playing as Bayern btw.
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    it is, weve only the bishops title tied to regensburg.

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