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    Default Re: What Napoleonic Regiment Is This?

    It are french line infantry m

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    The sharpe series loves to display every non brittish unit as a bunch of incompetent idiots regardless how insulting it is to people of other nations, blame the brittish superiority complex

    This has nothing to do with it. Cornwell himself explains that the Real Compagnie Irlandesa in the novel and hence the episode in the original post was purely an invention. He needed a reason for Sharpe to be in the area and involved in the events portrayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciabhan View Post
    This has nothing to do with it. Cornwell himself explains that the Real Compagnie Irlandesa in the novel and hence the episode in the original post was purely an invention. He needed a reason for Sharpe to be in the area and involved in the events portrayed.
    It's not just that, they refer to the crown prince of my country as silly billy and make him out as an idiot and the Dutch as useless cowards in an other episode.

    Even him heroicly getting wounded on the field of battle becomes: silly billy being shot by sharpe to save brittish lives

    The sharpe series is increadibly racist in it's portrayal of every non englishman it features, just because those they mock aren't black or northern african, doesn't make it any less insulting and racist

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    It's not just that, they refer to the crown prince of my country as silly billy and make him out as an idiot and the Dutch as useless cowards in an other episode.

    Even him heroicly getting wounded on the field of battle becomes: silly billy being shot by sharpe to save brittish lives

    The sharpe series is increadibly racist in it's portrayal of every non englishman it features, just because those they mock aren't black or northern african, doesn't make it any less insulting and racist

    He was KNOWN and RECORDED as being extremely brave but a terrible tactician, at least during his time under Wellesley. Wellesley himself says it, though he blames it on inexperience(which is likely the case). At the end of just about every novel in the Sharpe series(at least the ones I have read)Cornwell has a section that more or less tells the real history and how he had to find ways to weave Sharpe in. I never watched much of the television series but in the novels a large number of the British officers are portrayed as useless s. I doubt it has anything to do with racism or some English superiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    It's not just that, they refer to the crown prince of my country as silly billy and make him out as an idiot and the Dutch as useless cowards in an other episode.
    As much as I hate Sharpe's distortion of history (claiming that the fall of Toulouse to Wellington would force Napoleon to surrender ) you are wrong here.
    In sharpe's Waterloo, the eponymous hero states that the Dutch troops fought bravely and well. You see them rout a French battalion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    It's not just that, they refer to the crown prince of my country as silly billy and make him out as an idiot and the Dutch as useless cowards in an other episode.
    That is an historically accurate portrayal of the British attitude to the Prince of Orange and the Netherlands army after 1815 campaign, so its not something that Cornwell can be blamed for, the blame really lies at the feet of British historians of the period who coloured the events of the battle to appeal to British attitudes of superiority over their allies and enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EireEmerald View Post
    With Irish accents?
    lmao

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    Its a fictional regiment called the 'Real compania irlandesa', given to the Duke of Wellington by King Ferdinand the vii in Sharpes battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didz View Post
    However, as far as I can see there was no Light Infantry pattern shako. The clothing regulations only mention one pattern of shako issued to all infantry regiments regardless of class or distinction. Only the Highlanders and the 23rd Foot had anything different.

    We know for example that some local tailoring was done, because the 71st actually stripped the entire felt covering off their shako's and replaced it with their blue camp bonnet stretched over the frame.
    Highland regiments, wore the Kilmarnock with ostrich plumes (many 'highland' units losing their special distinctions during reforms in the period when more non-Scottish recruits were drafted in), and the 71st wore a Kilmarnock stretched to resemble the stovepipe, but with the Scottish distinct dicing band around the base - as far as I'm aware, the 71st never were ever issued stovepipes during the period. The Kilmarnock did go through some design alterations during this time - peakless and peaked versions are both documented, and also a version with a detachable peak.

    Light Infantry regiments, such as the 43rd Monmouthshire, 51st Yorkshire, 52nd Oxfordshire (I forget the others, off the top of my head) wore stovepipes throughout the period, many soldiers forming their headgear into more rounded 'sugarloaf' styles (LI wanting to look more rakish, of course!) I've seen some depictions of LI regiments adorning their shakos with short green turbans as well.

    The Rifle regiments, 95th and 60th were issued with stovepipes, with various arrangements of cords.

    As far as I know, the 23rd weren't given any special types of headwear - they had stovepipes just like everyone else on service. They may have been issued with bearskins, as they were designated as "Fusiliers", but fusiliers and guards regiments didn't wear bearskins on campaign.

    A number of regiments weren't issued with the new false-fronted Belgic shako till late in the period, some retaining their stovepipes even after the end of the war. The 27th wore the stovepipe at Waterloo (with their distinctive badge arrangement:
    http://www.28thglos.co.uk/28thFigure.png)

    The famous Lady Butler depiction of the 28th at Quatre Bras is misleading (or totally inaccurate, depending on how you want to describe it!) as she's dressed them in Belgics. Still, she was a woman, and women like dressing things up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaosLondon View Post
    and the 71st wore a Kilmarnock stretched to resemble the stovepipe, but with the Scottish distinct dicing band around the base
    Its worth noting that there is nothing Scottish or distinctive about the dicing around the hat band of the Kilmarnock. at least not until it became a stylized feature. The original dicing was really not dicing at all but the natural result of feeding the headband ribbon back and forth through the slits in the headband, which produced a sort of diced effect, which was then exploited by the soldiers using red ribbons. The results are constantly misdrawn by artists who do not understand what the function of the head band actually was and how the diced effect was created. For example if one looks at earlier images of scottish soldiers before the affectation became popular you can see soldiers with solid red and solid black headbands and even white, black and red dicing effects where a mixture of ribbons was used.
    Last edited by Didz; September 06, 2015 at 06:05 AM.

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    I've no idea about the origins of the dicing effect, but mentioned it as distinctly Scottish because it only appeared on 'Highland' regiments or the 71st...
    (really enjoyed your in depth stuff on Prussian recruitment in another thread Didz, amongst other stuff - lots of information no doubt painstakingly researched).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt_Col_Sharpe View Post
    Its a fictional regiment called the 'Real compania irlandesa', given to the Duke of Wellington by King Ferdinand the vii in Sharpes battle.
    Several things:

    1. That is what it does say, but Bernard Cornwell go this all wrong, King Ferdinand couldn't have given that Order, only the Juntas could, as King Ferdinand VII was basically being im-prisoned in France by Napoleon Bonaparte, along with Manuel Godoy, Queen Maria Lusia and King Carlos IV.
    2. There were no Irish Lifeguard Regiments, as the Spanish Lifeguard consisted of:
    . Guardias du Corp: Flemish, American, Italian and Spanish,
    . Carabineros Reale: Spanish,
    . Guardias Valonia: Walloon,
    . Infanteria Guardia Espanoles: Spanish,
    . Artillerie Cazadores: Spanish,
    . Guardias Alabaderos: Spanish,
    3. Irish Regiments in Spanish service wore White at this time of the War, (Except for Hibernia which wore Sky Blue), the Irish formerly wore Red before 1794,
    4. Swiss Regiments wore Blue, Guard Regiments wore Blue, Spanish and Italian Regiments wore White, and, Marines wore Blue,
    5. Only Cavalry wore Green in the Spanish Army at this time, however, very few Regiments did, (Light Infantry did often wear Green in the 1802 reforms, however these were quickly gotten rid of, due to dis-content in the Army),
    6. In other words, "Cornwell Cocked Up"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregorio Garcia de la Cuesta View Post
    6. In other words, "Cornwell Cocked Up"!
    He didn't 'cock-up' at all, in so far as he openly admits that the regiment is fictional.

    His historical note clearly states that The Royal Guard of Spain in the Napoleonic Wars consisted of four companies; the Spanish, American, Italian and Flemish companies, you have already identified as the Guardias du Corps.. He goes on to add that alas there was no Real Compania Irlandesa. Although there were three Irish Regiments in Spanish Services (de Hibernia, de Irlanda and de Ultonia.) each composed of Irish exiles or their descendants.

    So, no so much a 'cock-up' as a deliberately unhistoric plot device. Something which Cornwell uses quite often in his books, and which he is usually quite open about in his notes. In fact, the whole idea of a wandering band of men from the 95th Rifles led by a former sergeant is a bit of a stretch of imagination.

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    cornwell writes a good story, BUT he basicly writes the same one in each time period, bastard son of an english noble born of a husbandless pesant, If you want something more accurate, Brigadier Allan Mallinson is a bit better, but still has some issues, problem is, if scope is limited to a regiment, then they'll miss some of the fun, fictional regiments mean you can have the best of everything. He's good at describing battles and arms though, which is what counts. XD
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    the video is gone, but from the comments, im guessing you're talking about the Real Compania Irlandesa (Royal Irish company)

    in his book, Cornwall says in the prologue, that these were based on a real regiment, however, he omits to mention the real regiments name.

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