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    Quote Originally Posted by Eisberg View Post
    to Atabeg,Qarama,Karo and Vardan Sparapet-> once again those posts will be deletet, and dont start this discussion here again....
    you should have done this in the beginning instead of attacking an other member.

    Now on topic:


    Ejmiatsin is the spiritual centre of Armenia and the seat of the Catholicos of All Armenians, the head of the Holy Armenian Apostolic Church.
    Historically, the focal point of the city is the Etchmiadzin Cathedral, the oldest church in the world. It was originally built by Saint Gregory the Illuminator as a vaulted basilica in 301-303, when Armenia was the only country in the world the state religion of which was Christianity.
    The city originated as Vardkesavan or Vardgesavan in the 4th or 3rd century BC. King Vagharsh (117-140) had the name changed to Vagharshapat (Armenian: Վաղարշապատ), which still persists as the official appellation of the city. The original name, as preserved by Byzantine historian, Procopius ("Persian Wars"), was Valashabad--"Valash/Balash city" (named after Balash/Valash/Valarsh, a Parthian prince of Armenia). The name evolved into its later form by the shift in the medial L into a Gh, which is common in Armenian language. Whence the name Vagharsh-abat/apat
    Several decades later the city became the capital of Armenia and remained the country's most important city until the 4th century AD.

    Zvartnots Cathedral is a ruined seventh century circular Armenian cathedral built by order of the Catholicos Nerses the Builder from 641-653. It is located about 15 kilometers west of Yerevan, at the edge of the town of Echmiadzin, in the Armenian province of Armavir.
    Zvartnots was built at a time when much of Armenia was found under Byzantine control and during the early invasions of Armenia by the Muslim Arabs. Construction of the cathedral began in 642 under the guidance of Catholicos Nerses III (nicknamed Shinogh or the Builder), who built the majestic cathedral dedicated to St. Grigor at the place where a meeting between king Trdat III and Gregory the Illuminator was supposed to have taken place. According to the medieval Armenian historian Movses Kaghankatvatsi, the cathedral was consecrated in 653.[1] From 653 to 659, Nerses was in Tayk and the construction of the cathedral continued under Anastas Akarratsi. Following the Arab occupation of Dvin and the intensifying wars between the Byzantine and Arab armies on the former's eastern borders, Nerses transferred the patriarchal palace of the Catholicos from Dvin to Zvartnots.



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    this is how the church would have looked like


    Bana or Banak is a ruined medieval Christian cathedral in the Erzurum Province, northeastern Turkey, in what had formerly been a historical Armeno-Georgian marchland known to Armenians as Tayk and to Georgians as Tao.

    Modeled after the Armenian cathedral of Zvartnots (near Yerevan, Armenia), Bana is a large tetraconch design, surrounded by a near-rotunda polygonal ambulatory and marked with a cylindrical drum. It was probably built by the Armenian catholicos Nerses III, the sponsor of Zvartnots, in the 7th century when the area was part of the Armenian principality of Tayk. After the area passed on to Georgian control in the 8th century (as part of Tao-Klarjeti), the church was reconstructed by the Georgian ruler Adarnase IV at some point between 881 and 923, and emerged in written records in the 11th century Georgian chronicles. Henceforth, it was used as a royal cathedral by the Georgian Bagratid dynasty until the Ottoman conquest of the area in the 16th century. The former cathedral was converted into a fortress by the Ottoman army during the Crimean War in the 1850s and was almost completely ruined during the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-78


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    A hypothetical reconstruction of Bana by the Russian architect Anatoly Kalgin, 1907

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    What's with the Krak de Chevaliers?? Will it be in 3.0??

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    Default Re: BROKEN CRESCENT: Unique buildings

    There were obviously quite a few mosques, churches, minarets and tombs during the time frame of the mod. Those which have survived to nowadays are obviously very important architectural and historical landmarks, but this alone does not make them unique.

    What I see here are plenty of submissions of ruined and semi-preserved structures, but no explanation on how they could actually have an importance relating to gameplay. For example, I can see how the Bana Cathedral could be important in that it could give an authority bonus to a Georgian ruler, who is crowned there. Perhaps it can be tied to the succession scripts for Georgia.

    I'd rather we focus on this, rather than on petty arguments about who built what and who destroyed what.

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    Gelati monastery near Kutaisi
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelati_Monastery




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    Guys, this is not a discussion thread.

    This is not a question thread, too. Any question should go into 'Questions and suggestions' thread.

    We are not sure which of those buildings will be in 3.0. But we wouldn't like to limit the choice only to the group of mosques, churches, other temples and mausoleums. If you know any magnificent secular buildings - post them, too.

    Krak de Chevaliers will be represented by permanent stone fort, most likely, but we'll see.

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    Metekhi in Tbilisi


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    And Bagrati Cathedral in Kutaisi

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    The historical fate of Tatar People, its culture, arising and development of Kazan - the capital of Tatarstan - are intertwining with the history of Volga Bulgaria, Golden Horde, Kazan Khanate, Russian State.
    Volga Bulgaria


    "Black Chamber" Mosque in Bolgar
    (XIV century) Volga Bulgaria - the feudal state formed on the verge of IX-X centuries in Middle Volga region. The main population was bulgars - immigrants from Azov region, who conquered the native Finno-Ugrians and Turkish-speaking tribes. The largest towns Bolgar and Buljar in area and population surpassed London, Paris, Kiev, Novgorod and Vladimir of that time.
    Volga Bulgaria exported to Middle Asia, China, Vizantium, Russia the fur, timber, leather footwear, arms and other handmade goods. The capital of Volga Bulgaria town Bolgar in X-XIV centuries was built of stone and brick. Already the public water supply was here. Nowadays remained the ruins of "The Black Chamber" Mosque, Minor Minaret, Khan's Tomb, Northern Mausoleum, Cathedral Mosque.
    Khan's Tomb (Eastern Mausoleum)

    Smaller Minaret Bulgars were the pagans. In 922 the Embassy from Baghdad came to Bulgaria and the congress of Bulgarian tribes adopted Islam as the state religion. The ancient Turkish written language was substituted by the Arabic one. (In 1928 the Arabic alphabet was substituted by the Latin one; in 1938 the contemporary Tatar alphabet on the basis of Cyrillic alphabet was adopted).
    In the beginning of the X century there were schools in Bulgarian villages.
    Bulgars had their own scientists and poets. Jakub ibn-Nogman who wrote "The History of Bulgaria" lived in the first half of XII century. The scholar Burchan ibn-Bulgari wrote the book on rhetoric and medicine. The poem by Kul-Gali "Tale about Yusuf" (XIII century) was well known far from Bulgaria and greatly influenced the development of Bulgarian and Tatar literature.
    "Shamahil" wall panel
    with the text from the Holy Koran

    Velvet "kalfak" headdress
    worked with gold embroidery The characteristic elements of Bulgaria culture were the jewellery of gold, silver, bronze, copper; pottery with engraved ornament; metal open-work decorations; bronze locks in the form of animals; leather goods; clothes decorated with beads and silver.


    Kazan Khanate


    Woman's traditional dress In the XIII century Volga Bulgaria suffered from the mongol Batu-Khan aggression. In 1236 Bulgaria was conquered and annexed to Golden Horde. Golden Horde was the largest medieval state of Eurasia, the heart of rich civilization, represented by classic symbiosis of prior nomadic and new city cultures. The true masterpieces of medieval Tatar literature were created here.
    After the final downfall of Golden Horde in the third-fourth decades of the XV century in its vast area were formed separate Tatar states. They include Kazan Khanate (1445) situated in the northern boundaries of Volga Bulgaria from the river Sura in the west to the river Belaya in the east. Kazan became the capital of Kazan Khanate. The XV century and the first half of the XVI century was the period of prosperity of Kazan Khanate and its capital.
    "Cap of Kazan" (Khan's Crown)
    (XV-XVI century)

    Interior of the main prayer hall
    of Azimov Mosque The main population of Kazan Khanate consisted of descendants of bulgars and new-comers kipchako-tatars. Their culture, religion and written language were adopted from Volga Bulgaria and Golden Horde. In the period of Kazan Khanate and other Khanates (Crimean, Kasimov's, Siberian and Astrakhan) the formation of the Tatar Nationality was finished.
    As a result of armed conflicts, fires and rebuilding, among architectural constructions of Kazan Khanate Epoch only Suyumbika Tower (Khan's Mosque) and Nuraliev Mosque reserved on Kremlin territory.
    According some of Tatar legends, Suyumbika Tower was erected at the tomb of Kazan Khan Safa-Girey by his wife - Queen Suyumbika. Today it is one of the "falling" towers (deviation from axis is 194 cm).
    Suyumbika Tower



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    What about the armenian church on Argtamar it is the seat of the Catholicos of until 1895

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    What about giving us some pictures and description of the church?

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    Akh, Tamar" (Oh, Tamar"
    Akdamar Island (also known as Akhtamar, and Aght'amar; Turkish: Akdamar Adası; Armenian: Աղթամար, Armenian pronunciation: [ɑχtʰɑmɑr]) is the second by size of four islands in Lake Van in the South of the Armenian Highlands in Turkey (sometimes called Eastern Anatolia region), about 0.7 km2 in size, situated about 3 km from the shoreline. At the western end of the island a hard, grey, limestone cliff rises 80 m above the lake's level (1,912 m above sea level). The island declines to the east to a level site where a spring provides ample water. It is home to a tenth century Armenian church, known as the Cathedral Church of the Holy Cross (915-921), and was the seat of an Armenian Catholicos from 1116 to 1895.

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    What about the Prophet's Mosque in Medina?

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    And the Ark of the Covenant in Axum in Ethiopia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_...y_Mary_of_Zion ?

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    I am kind of late to this but I still would like to ask: will the unique buildings show up in siege battles? It looks very strange to have cities with gigantic empty holes where the unique buildings are. If you can't place them on actual battle maps maybe it's better not to add more.

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    More representative Persian architecture please.

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    Vardzia...

    Rocky architectural ensemble of Vardzia is a unique monument of old Georgian culture. Vardzia is located 300 kilometers away from state capital, in historical region of Georgia, called Meskhet-Javakheti. 13 storey complex spreads over 500 meters on the left side bank of the river Mtkvari.
    Builders of the ensemble were King George III and his daughter, female king Tamar. The criteria for choosing the place for such construction were its attractive living and convenient defense conditions. Construction began in 12th century and fifth stage of its construction ended in 15th century, which was building a new altar.


    http://meskheti-sights.ge.iatp.net/vardzia_eng.htm



    The Cave City of Vardzia (Georgian: ვარძია) is a cave monastery dug into the side of the Erusheli mountain in southern Georgia near Aspindza on the left bank of the Mtkvari River. It was founded by Queen Tamar in 1185.

    The monastery was constructed as protection from the Mongols. and consisted of over six thousand apartments in a thirteen story complex. The city included a church, a throne room, and a complex irrigation system watering terraced farmlands. The only access to the complex was through some well hidden tunnels near the Mtkvari river.

    An earthquake in Samtskhe destroyed approximately two thirds of the city in 1283, exposing the caves to outside view and collapsing the irrigation system.

    The church was reinforced and an externally visible bell tower added during the reign of Beka Jakheli in the thirteenth century.

    Persians commanded by Shah Tahmasp I raided the monastery in 1551, capturing all important icons and effectively ending the life of the monastery.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vardzia






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    Quote Originally Posted by Maison View Post
    How would it will be with the Krak de Chevaliers??

    I agree. The most famous crusaders castle should be included in BC.

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    Though it may be obvious- the church of St George in Lalibela in Eithiopia, although it was being built about this time....

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    Mount Athos, the Hagion Oros(Holy Mountain). Chalkidike peninsula, Greece.

    At the time of the mod it had around 20 monasteries and was an independent monastic state with the protection of the Romans. Most notable is the Great Lavra.






    It was a center for Orthodox faith and peopled by greeks, bulgarians, rus, serbians and franks. If you ever move your map just a taaaaaaad west it could be included.
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