Appeal 571 - Defying Moderator

[PSIHOPAT]

As i told in the name of the topic...there are serious problems for me...and can be for many others...and all start from the point where the decisions are taken...moderators...order is maintained by they...they apply the law correct?...or just use the law for his use or for helping their friends who don't like or hate some persons?...

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I am baned for this

You have received a warning due to intentionally disruptive posting/defying moderator. This infraction is worth 6 points and will expire in three months. If you accumulate too many infraction points, your posting privileges will have to be temporarily or permanently suspended.

All warnings are centrally logged and reviewed by staff to ensure consistent application of the rules. If you have any complaint about it, you can contact any senior moderator or administrator for clarification, and they will review the infraction. If, after having appealed the infraction to Senior Staff, you still believe that the rules were incorrectly applied, you are welcome to publicly appeal to The Tribunal.

More detailed information on the appeals process can be found here..

Message:

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I warned everyone that the arguments were to stop. Everyone involved is getting 6 points and a minimum 30 day forum ban.

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Original post:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=6481494

Nothing in this world is free....keep that in mind...NOTHING!!!

For some persons...like me...some things are far more important than money...

King Kong have what he want...more or less...

My purpose is just to talk...about some things....my purpose is not to insult....

If someone feel insults...is not my fault...because this is not my intention...

..maybe is a "problem" in my culture or my mentality...but for me is impossible to see this things...

I give a simple explanation :
in this world are two type of rewards
and nothing is free
1 - rewards represented in money
2 - rewards represented in sentiments
For some persons,rewards in sentiments are more important than rewards in money....and that i told in that post.

In the post for what i am banned,i told about King Kong to be rewarded for his work,with sentimental reward...and the moderator has banned me...why?...he don't understand exactly what i say?...or he just ban be for other reasons...?...

Also...this respected moderator,has told in the topic Unique Factions from TATW...about the "hidden" weapon from ToS,who give them the power to give permanent ban to anyone...
form that reason

Any other activity that is clearly detrimental to the flow of conversation and normal activities of the boards and its users may also be deleted, and responsible users may be penalized at the discretion of the Senior Moderators.

But Tos say clear

And what about the "permaban"?
The permaban is reserved for cases of spambots and posting porn.

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Also..another some weird things
This moderator has warned me,not in with the reason in ToS but because someone has requested that and finally banned me because he see extreme obscene content in a picture with nothing obscene

Dear PSIHOPAT,

You have been banned from the following forum:
Third Age: Total War

Release: December 12, 2009 01:32 PM
Reason:
At the request of the TATW team you have been banned from their forum for 48 hours.

-Sqυιd

Than he say about something disrupting as a reason for ban

Just because you don't like the real reason does not make it any less true.

I don't like the answer because don't exist any real reason for such punishment.

It is just an abuse of power from peoples who has formed an alliance against me who,also,they are far to be models for comportment,because many reports from me show exactly who they are,when they make personal references,insults,encouraging personal attacks of others, or just ignoring persons who always have pleasure and tendency for things in this direction.

You ignored what I told you. You were a disruptive poster in their threads, the mod leaders finally decided they had had enough of your posting and asked for the two day forum ban. In case this isn't clear, it is their mod and their mod forums, and if they feel you are being too disruptive and ask for a forum ban moderation staff will generally grant it.

Reason for ban is for one of this pictures

I'm not sure why you'd think that picture of the African woman would be appropriate to post on this site but it isn't. Please post within the ToS in the future thanks.

Thanks,

Squid

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If you have any questions about a moderator's enforcement of the forum rules, please feel free to contact any senior moderator or administrator.

Original Post: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=6446965

TATW team is free to think about some suggestions

Suggestion for half/troll because they are inspired from african culture...and african warriors paint his body when they go to war...

this stile of painting the body can be pretty scary
http://img3.photographersdirect.com/.../pd2398566.jpg

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://img1.photographersdirect.com/.../pd1010715.jpg

Many reports are made by me for continual harass of many many persons against me,and some moderators has encouraged this attitude with their comments or with their indifference for this turbulent persons.

Many persons with turbulent attitude are free,and i am imprisoned now for the second time.

I request just an close analyses about this phenomenon.

[Hotspur]

If you wish to appeal your defying moderator infraction, we will proceed. Forum bans issued at the request of a local moderator lie outside the jurisdiction of the Tribunal since they did not originate with Staff.

[GrnEyedDvl]

Well first things first. The note and ban were issued for continuing the argument. The argument happened to be about you, so I can understand why you wanted to respond. But I specifically told everyone that the argument would stop. You have a total of 7 posts after my warning that just fed the argument. They were all violations of the warning I posted. The note and the ban are a result of all of the posts. I just clicked one when I issued the note as you cannot issue a note for multiple posts. Here are all of your posts.

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I will try to make tings a little bit clear here,because some persons "see" my words in "wrong light"..
I will make a small comparison...

"Someone" has told : Give me a lever and i will flip the universe (i hope to be translated right by translator)

Let's say about this person to be able to do that,but he die leaving his plans written...and in his life he can't do that because don't have necessary "tools" for that....
Than...come another person after his death,and flip the universe after his plan(idea).

Now i ask ...both deserve respect or not?...the first have idea how...and the second make that...
second without the first don't have any idea about this things,but first die before doing that...

It is right to say about first to be an idiot and second to be genius ?
My answer is this : first deserve very much respect(for idea),but also the second deserve respect for doing such "miracle"(for work)

I think both deserve respect...as humans...

Nothing in this world is free....keep that in mind...NOTHING!!!

For some persons...like me...some things are far more important than money...

King Kong have what he want...more or less...

My purpose is just to talk...about some things....my purpose is not to insult....

If someone feel insults...is not my fault...because this is not my intention...

..maybe is a "problem" in my culture or my mentality...but for me is impossible to see this things...

NO!!!

For the persons who has created this mod is a reward...not money obvious

But this reward is more important than money for they...

So...is NOT free...

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For example :

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if i give money to someone,we can think this is a free thing?

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I tell you...is NOT free...

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because i gain in exchange,some sentiments,far more important than money

How can i make something elaborated if i am an idiot ?
because this is the general belief in this place about me
and maybe i am
but i can't know that
some are right
and another not
but everything is analyzed
in my "idiotic ?!" brain

I want just freedom and peace
JUST THAT!!!

One
I do only JUST what I think is need to be done...JUST THAT!!!...ALWAYS!!!...ANYWHERE!!!!

Second
@archer9
Your quote don't say anything about no one
It is no name there
It is a phrase from another point
And you suggest something wrong
You attack me without reason

Is that correct ?!
to attack me without reason ?!

Is nothing wrong with me and you insult me when you say or suggest that.

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And...yea...is better..."give up"...
and leave me to breath fresh air
people from this place suffocate me
they take my necessary air

i want just freedom...and peace

Is too much ?
I think not.

I make always just what i want.

Nobody tell me how to think or what to make.

I leave this place for now because i have some serious "things" to do.

I hope to find this place more "warm" when i return.

Have a good day.

Also...this respected moderator,has told in the topic Unique Factions from TATW...about the "hidden" weapon from ToS,who give them the power to give permanent ban to anyone...
form that reason

It is not hidden, it is CLEARLY posted in the ToS.

But Tos say clear

Quote:
And what about the "permaban"?
The permaban is reserved for cases of spambots and posting porn.

You are NOT permabanned. You are banned from a single sub forum for 30 days. A permaban is a ban from posting in any forum, and has no end date. You are confusing the two.


As for the previous 48 hour ban from the TATW forums, as I explained to you by PM those hosted mod forums belong to the mod teams. We give them quite a bit of authority within their own forum as local moderators. They are well within their rights to ask for a forum ban if they feel someone is being disruptive.


If you really want to talk about your note for obscene content, it needs to be in its own thread.

Many persons with turbulent attitude are free,and i am imprisoned now for the second time.

Every single person involved got the same thing. Every person in that thread who contributed to the argument after I posted my warning received a 6 point note and a 30 day forum ban. I am not going to tell you how many or who, because that is none of your business. However you can already see the appeal filed by one other person, and 2 other people have posted about it in the Tribunal commentary thread. That makes you 1 out of at least 4 so you are hardly alone while others are free.

If you are going to accuse me of bias then come right out and do it. But its a baseless claim as everyone else involved knows. You, and everyone else, were ALL told to stop the argument. There is no place on TWC suitable for the type of argument that was going on, but the LAST place I want to see disruptive posting like this is inside a hosted mod forum.

[PSIHOPAT]

If you wish to appeal your defying moderator infraction, we will proceed. Forum bans issued at the request of a local moderator lie outside the jurisdiction of the Tribunal since they did not originate with Staff.

Yes i want to make appeal because i am punished without reason.
I also want to be made some justice because i was baned without reason by Sqυιd for obscene content but nothing obscene in any photo posted by me.

Well first things first. The note and ban were issued for continuing the argument. The argument happened to be about you, so I can understand why you wanted to respond. But I specifically told everyone that the argument would stop. You have a total of 7 posts after my warning that just fed the argument. They were all violations of the warning I posted. The note and the ban are a result of all of the posts. I just clicked one when I issued the note as you cannot issue a note for multiple posts. Here are all of your posts.

Continual arguments are because there is no moderator just for justice.There are many moderators who insulted,harass and ban me finally.All the time when i has trouble,moderators has encouraged this attitude,and when i told something i was banned.Why moderators don't loose his power when they apply justice without support in ToS?Why moderators don't have any punish if they write clear about the ToS to be a crap?I love Total War because i play it from long time(shogun) but is impossible for someone with another nationality and mentality to say something and live peacefully in that place.

It is not hidden, it is CLEARLY posted in the ToS.

You told that...but unfortunately i can't enter in TATW now(ban) to prove that,quoting the post.

You are NOT permabanned. You are banned from a single sub forum for 30 days. A permaban is a ban from posting in any forum, and has no end date. You are confusing the two.

I know i am not banned permanent,bu you told in your post about your power to ban everyone permanent if you "think" is a disruptive person...you told also about the the art for using the small special parts from ToS ''at the discretion of moderator"...but permanent ban is just for two situation and nothing about you told is written in any part from ToS...so...you don't know ToS,or try to "Jump" over the rules or to intimidate persons.

We give them quite a bit of authority within their own forum as local moderators. They are well within their rights to ask for a forum ban if they feel someone is being disruptive.

Is correct to give some power for some persons in their forum,but is not normal for other moderators to form alliances with some of they,who have no care/respect for ToS,who insult,encourage hostile environment,ignore harassing against someone and if the harassed person say something,he is banned because he defy moderators?Is that correct ?I think not.

[Augustus Lucifer]

Yes i want to make appeal because i am punished without reason.

Okay. Your appeal is for the infraction "Defying a Moderator". You should state in your defense then why you feel you did not defy a moderator.

Continual arguments are because there is no moderator just for justice.There are many moderators who insulted,harass and ban be finally.All the time when i was trouble,moderators has encouraged this attitude,and when i told something i was banned.Why moderators don't loose his power when they apply justice without support in ToS?

If you feel a Moderator or Local Moderator is abusing power, you are free to contact a Senior Moderator via PM and explain it to them. Rebuking moderators is not within the purview of this tribunal.

I know i am not banned permanent,bu you told that in your post,about your power to ban everyone permanent if you think is disruptive...you told also about the the art for using ''at the discretion of moderator"...but permanent ban is just for two situation and nothing about you told is not written in any part from ToS...so...you don't know ToS,or try to "Jump" over the rules or to intimidate persons.

He is not referring to a permanent ban from all forums, but a permanent ban from the Third Age forums. This can be instituted by any Moderator or Local Moderator of those forums if they feel a member is disruptive, and is a privilege afforded to mod teams who are given charge of their domain. It is well within his rights to issue such a ban if he deems it necessary.

Is correct to give some power for some persons in their forum,but is not normal for other moderators to form alliances with some of they,who have no care/respect for ToS,who insult,encourage hostile environment,ignore harassing against someone and if the harassed person say something,he is banned because he defy moderators?Is that correct ?I think not.

The tribunal is not concerned with the Local Moderator situation or otherwise in the Third Age forums, so I'd suggest you focus on why you feel you didn't defy the moderation warning, which is what this appeal is about.

[PSIHOPAT]

Okay. Your appeal is for the infraction "Defying a Moderator". You should state in your defense then why you feel you did not defy a moderator.

What is need to explain?
Is all clear.

I explained in post one and another explanations can be found in post #3 where is spoiler.

[Hotspur]

Can we have the official infraction, please?

[PSIHOPAT]

This is considered infraction but i am warned in first message and than banned in second but without reason written...so...i suppose to be ban for defying moderator ...but also,i can be wrong in suppose...or maybe,is no need for reason for baning someone.

First

You have received a warning due to intentionally disruptive posting/defying moderator. This infraction is worth 6 points and will expire in three months. If you accumulate too many infraction points, your posting privileges will have to be temporarily or permanently suspended.

All warnings are centrally logged and reviewed by staff to ensure consistent application of the rules. If you have any complaint about it, you can contact any senior moderator or administrator for clarification, and they will review the infraction. If, after having appealed the infraction to Senior Staff, you still believe that the rules were incorrectly applied, you are welcome to publicly appeal to The Tribunal.

More detailed information on the appeals process can be found here..

Message:

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I warned everyone that the arguments were to stop. Everyone involved is getting 6 points and a minimum 30 day forum ban.

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Original post:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=6481494

Nothing in this world is free....keep that in mind...NOTHING!!!

For some persons...like me...some things are far more important than money...

King Kong have what he want...more or less...

My purpose is just to talk...about some things....my purpose is not to insult....

If someone feel insults...is not my fault...because this is not my intention...

..maybe is a "problem" in my culture or my mentality...but for me is impossible to see this things...

Second

Dear PSIHOPAT,

You have been banned from the following forum:
Third Age: Total War

Release: January 20, 2010 10:08 AM
Reason:


-GrnEyedDvl

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Edit:

He is not referring to a permanent ban from all forums, but a permanent ban from the Third Age forums. This can be instituted by any Moderator or Local Moderator of those forums if they feel a member is disruptive, and is a privilege afforded to mod teams who are given charge of their domain. It is well within his rights to issue such a ban if he deems it necessary.

Hmmm....this message worried me,because there are many moderators who hate me and you told about they to have all rights to ban me permanent.

Also if the permanent ban have no support written in ToS and to be respected by any persons...but is from "how they feel"....than....hard times for people who ignite some "special feelings" in the hearts/minds of some moderators...no mater what they made in all their existance in this place...to be an example or not...eh...that it seem to be less important...
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Edit 2

If you feel a Moderator or Local Moderator is abusing power, you are free to contact a Senior Moderator via PM and explain it to them.

But...also...what i can make if a senior moderator ban me without any real reason found in Tos ?
I have already one of this problem with Squid who has banned me for a photography who appear for he as obscene but nothing obscene in that photo.He say me he saw nipples(but i don't) and is enough to ban me for that.

[Augustus Lucifer]

Hmmm....this message worried me,because there are many moderators who hate me and you told about they to have all rights to ban me permanent.

Also if the permanent ban have no support written in ToS and to be respected by any persons...but is from "how they feel"....than....hard times for people who ignite some "special feelings" in the hearts/minds of some moderators...no mater what they made in all their existance in this place...to be an example or not...eh...that it seem to be less important...

But...also...what i can make if a senior moderator ban me without any real reason found in Tos ?
I have already one of this problem with Squid who has banned me for a photography who appear for he as obscene but nothing obscene in that photo.He say me he saw nipples(but i don't) and is enough to ban me for that.

Moderators don't ban users forumwide period except as stated in the Terms of Service, for porn and spambots. All other forumwide actions against an account are considered 'suspensions' and are the result of an accumulation of infraction points, not issued independent of them. Users in the probation system have a different procedure which is also documented.

Permissions to access mod forums are different. Consider that I can view certain staff forums as a member of staff, that is a privilege allotted to me, which is not allotted to every member. With mod forums, every member is initially allotted the privilege to access them, but if they cause trouble for the mod team they can have this privilege revoked. Just as my access to hidden staff forums is granted on privilege, so is the ability for all users to access individual forums. These privileges do not need to go through the Terms of Service in order to be enacted, and when they are the result of a penalty the revocation is called a 'forumban', which usually has an expiration date, but not always.

So you won't find yourself unable to access all forums without first going through the suspension procedure as documented in the ToS. But for individual forums, this revocation of permission to use that area of the site can be enacted for a defined or undefined period of time. Such is the case here, where your privileges to post in that forum have been revoked for 30 days and will be given back at that time. I hope that clears up any misconceptions.

[PSIHOPAT]

Yea...but for me some things happened very fast and is hard for me to think is a coincidence
Some moderators really want to hang me in the shortest time possible
And for absolutely any small thing,real or interpretated or at request of someone i am punished
I'm really feel i am harassed...
So what happen with my appeal for "defying moderator" ban?...if ban is for that(no reason written)
Also with this post i want to make appeal for warning for "obscene content".

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December 10, 2009, 09:32 PM / You have been suspended from Third Age: Total War

Dear PSIHOPAT,

You have been banned from the following forum:
Third Age: Total War

Release: December 12, 2009 01:32 PM
Reason:
At the request of the TATW team you have been banned from their forum for 48 hours.

-Sqυιd

December 15, 2009, 07:42 AM / Re: Note

I should point out that the picture I removed, accidentally before issuing the note, is the one that was the issue, the one of the woman.

Squid

Private December 15, 2009
12:03 AM Never 0 obscene content Sqυιd

December 15, 2009, 12:03 AM / Note for obscene content

I'm not sure why you'd think that picture of the African woman would be appropriate to post on this site but it isn't. Please post within the ToS in the future thanks.

Thanks,

Squid

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If you have any questions about a moderator's enforcement of the forum rules, please feel free to contact any senior moderator or administrator.

Original Post: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=6446965

TATW team is free to think about some suggestions

Suggestion for half/troll because they are inspired from african culture...and african warriors paint his body when they go to war...

this stile of painting the body can be pretty scary
http://img3.photographersdirect.com/.../pd2398566.jpg

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

http://img1.photographersdirect.com/.../pd1010715.jpg

Private December 21, 2009
06:02 PM March 21, 2010
07:02 PM 6 intentionally disruptive posting/defying moderator GrnEyedDvl

Dear PSIHOPAT,

You have been banned from the following forum:
Third Age: Total War

Release: January 20, 2010 10:08 AM
Reason:


-GrnEyedDvl

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Coincidence or not
Accidents or not
Mistakes or not
Requests for ban or not

But what is absolutely clear is my situation=>baned...and with warnings written...who can make my chance for existence in this place very minimal,because for even the smallest interpretable thing in future... i will be baned again...and again...

I thought about the justice to be equal for all...but it seems some powerful persons have another opinions...

December 22, 2009, 03:35 AM / Re: Warning for intentionally disruptive posting/defying moderator

Why would I lie about treating everyone the same? If you want proof, look in the Tribunal. Everyone got the same thing, and frankly I am tired of trying to babysit a mod forum.

He confess sincere about his work who bring justice not equal but preferential.
In the tribunal is Cedric37 who is one of my friends....so...message is clear...all who want to defend me will be baned...
I also "love" his arrogant/insulting stile of speaking like a "parent" to his defenseless/retarded children's
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Even Squid seems to share with others, the same opinion about justice

December 17, 2009, 12:40 AM / Re

Whether or you want to make or have problems is irrelevant. The only relevant thing is whether or not you post within the ToS. You can and should sit and do nothing, responding is far more likely to get you in trouble than just ignoring what the other person says.

Correct justice is a funny thing it mean many different things to many different people. You broke the ToS and you don't want to be punished because "your a weak person on this forum" and I'll point out this is only in your estimation as many people consider you to be highly disruptive. From those others point of view if you aren't punished then being disruptive mean you won't get punished which encourages people to be disruptive and break the rules. You see how not everyone would see things your way. This means that the only thing to consider is the ToS and the context of the violation to determine the severity of the response.

Also he say me about my problems who can come if i don't sit and do nothing for defend myself from attacks...because no one have this interest...other than to "hang" me...for no other reason than different culture and mentality...
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This is his answer after i requested him to retreat his warning

You cant find any obscene content in that photography about what you talk about or about what ToS say....is just a photography with one painted face with white....and is nothing obscene in that

Also you delete the picture because you want to be no proof for your act...and i know this stile of ''working'' because on friend of my was moderator many years.

You want just to destroy me because your friend has requested that.

It shows you don't know anything about moderating and neither does your friend, despite the fact that I deleted the content before issuing the note, there is still a record in multiple places from which the image can be retrieved if necessary. You got a note because you broke the ToS its that simple.

I request you to retreat your warning because is an abuse of power for your personal interest.

I will not because it is a valid note and you violated the ToS. Threatening moderators is not a smart thing to do.

He refuse to retreat warning for obscene content(i think is not fair),and he consider my message for informing them about my intention to make appeal(in that moment i did not know how to do that) a something threatening...and than he send me an short an clear threatening message...

Also,in this message he say about his decision to delete the picture before sending the note...but in the message from above he say it was an accident...

[Hotspur]

If you want to appeal the zero-point note you need to start another thread.

[PSIHOPAT]

I have 3 warnings and 2 ban

First warning is correct(deserved)=>it was in the start(relatively) of my existence in this "place"(my knowledge about rules was zero until that moment)=>sent by Viking Prince(November 05, 2009)

Other two (warnings) are considered by me to not be correct(defying & obscene) => sent by GrnEyedDvl and Squid (December 15, 2009 & December 21, 2009)

For this two(warnings) i request to be made an analyses and i will respect final decision of tribunal whatever will be

It is obvious...i am not skilled in forums....in Total War center is the most big activity in forums from all my life
but that not mean i am idiot and i can't learn
unfortunately for me,here i found an very aggressive persons and i was forced to defend myself...
well...at last in Third Age TW....
but in Broken Crescent everything was fine...
very warm place is there...

Edit:

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Hmmm...i was right when i named this topic "Serious problems"...
because Squid is senior moderator and GrnEyedDvl is administrator...
and if i look at the list of their friends...
hmm....coincidence..?..
what should i do for finding a fair justice...?...
probably nothing...
because they have friends...
from the base to the top of the pyramid...
they cut and hang anyone who want...
such alliance with power in key points...
is...

Eh...no matter...

[Hotspur]

We really do need the warning, any strat or admin will do...

[jimkatalanos]

Post: Unique Factions
User: PSIHOPAT
Infraction: intentionally disruptive posting/defying moderator
Points: 6

Administrative Note:
Message to User:

I warned everyone that the arguments were to stop. Everyone involved is getting 6 points and a minimum 30 day forum ban.

Original Post:

Nothing in this world is free....keep that in mind...NOTHING!!!

For some persons...like me...some things are far more important than money...

King Kong have what he want...more or less...

My purpose is just to talk...about some things....my purpose is not to insult....

If someone feel insults...is not my fault...because this is not my intention...

..maybe is a "problem" in my culture or my mentality...but for me is impossible to see this things...

[Augustus Lucifer]

PSIHOPAT, the current appeal is being processed for your most recent defying moderator warning. If you wish to appeal your obscene content note, you'll need to open a new thread. Just wanted to make that clear in case you thought this case was considering all of the moderator interactions you had mentioned.

[PSIHOPAT]

Ok.

I do that.

But first i want to ask what is strictly necessary to be posted,because i don't want to waste space for nothing.

[Augustus Lucifer]

Ok.

I do that.

But first i want to ask what is strictly necessary to be posted,because i don't want to waste space for nothing.

You should post what it is you're appealing and your defense, aka why you feel the action taken by the moderator was not in line with the Terms of Service. Nothing else is strictly necessary.

[PSIHOPAT]

I will not make another topic for obscene content,because ToS is changed now,compared with the moment when i received the warning.
Also my warnings are gone...i don't know why but they has disappeared.
All of this without any announce...

Has remained just my ban for Third Age...but this don't bother me...

[Nikos]

Appeal 571- Defying Moderator(score,unanimous)

The Tribunal finds both the infraction and points to be appropriate. Failing to comply with a Moderator's warning is clearly a breach of the ToS.

Appeal DENIED