Cavalry units-some artwork before previews

[Yggdrasill]

I don't understand - does this mean you guys are working on a later renaissance campaign for the mod (for early 16th century) or what? It would be a shame if such high quality work is never published...

If you don't have time to incorporate everything in a self-contained mod, have you considered allowing other modders to use your work for their mod - there are so many in development right now (DotS, Sicilian Vespers 2, Dawn of kingdoms to name a few) and this would help them a lot. Like the Byzantine unit project CBUR mod.
it't the best way to make sure your work reaches the most people.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

It would be a shame if such high quality work is never published...

If you don't have time to incorporate everything in a self-contained mod, have you considered allowing other modders to use your work for their mod - there are so many in development right now (DotS, Sicilian Vespers 2, Dawn of kingdoms to name a few) and this would help them a lot. Like the Byzantine unit project CBUR mod.
it't the best way to make sure your work reaches the most people.

Agreed...

[torzsoktamas]

I don't understand - does this mean you guys are working on a later renaissance campaign for the mod (for early 16th century) or what? It would be a shame if such high quality work is never published...

If you don't have time to incorporate everything in a self-contained mod, have you considered allowing other modders to use your work for their mod - there are so many in development right now (DotS, Sicilian Vespers 2, Dawn of kingdoms to name a few) and this would help them a lot. Like the Byzantine unit project CBUR mod.
it't the best way to make sure your work reaches the most people.

I agree too,...it would be a shame if these wonderfull cavalry units won't make it into a M2TW mod.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Your amazing units are a must for every major Medieval mod...It is my friendly suggestion to find a mod like DLV and Taijis B.B to incorporate your awesome work...With this option you will gain a broader audience,more and experience people to cooperate and share your talents and much more...Please think about it because its a community here not a company oriented organization...We must share things with others...Its your right though as creators not to but you must think other simple users too...

Just my humble opinion...but many many others thoughts I believe...
Congrats. again for your work...

[WarlordZ]

Again, I am awed and amazed by the work (Checked out the Hungarian sight too), really a job to be proud of!

[dome]

thanx guys, but we are still in the middle of work. After we decide whats next.
And those are nost just cavalry units, as you check the turks. Also Im working on landsknecht units right now.

[Yggdrasill]

thanx guys, but we are still in the middle of work. After we decide whats next.
And those are nost just cavalry units, as you check the turks. Also Im working on landsknecht units right now.

The Ottomans are also stunning. Especially the heavily armoured sipahi, very cool
Also, I love the richness of colour you incorporated in the Ottoman design, Ottomans used a lot of very vibrant colours in their clothing in this period, and your models are one of the few that properly model this
can't wait to lead them in a charge

My only suggestion - Azaps (azabs) very infantry only. Instead of 'Azab Raider' and 'Azab Horsearcher' you should name your Ottoman light cavalry Akinji and Delis, or even Faris (this term was also used).

Landsknechts...good news, can't wait to see how they turn out

[Tureuki]

Ottoman units are stunning ! but I suggest no turban covered helmets :/ , some of the turbans not used by Turks(may be by religious mans), and no Azab cavalry Azabs should bow-sabre-shield infantry and musket infantry, I also didn't saw the Solaks, bodyguard infantry archers of Sultan

[dome]

those units made from hungarian fronts, and ther used like this.
Azab cavalry its just a work name, since it was made for film, not for a mod In HUngary we cal it ayabs wheather they were horsemens or infantry. I already made two bodygouard units : quapikulu elite cavalry and baltachi troops, so I thonk there is no need for a 3rd one.

[Tureuki]

Well, actually there was only two type of bodyguards, Silahdars and Solaks, but if you want to keep that Baltachi unit, you can turn Janissary archers to Solaks

Red headgear cavalry Silahdars and bow infantry is Solaks

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Kanuni at Mohacz

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And as I said I suggest no turban covered helmets please also some of the turbans like this ;

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Are not used, these details just making them Arab looking units clothes of Azabs could be colored to green,red etc. tons but no ornaments.

A little pic but a good example to 16th century commoneer clothes(these two which is frying the rockets, for Azabs)

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Edit: No spear-shield Azab, only bow-shield and musket(and may be halberd)

[dome]

Well, actually there was only two type of bodyguards, Silahdars and Solaks, but if you want to keep that Baltachi unit, you can turn Janissary archers to Solaks

Red headgear cavalry Silahdars and bow infantry is Solaks

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I didn't see any redhead geard cavalry here...
well maybe I make later solaks, but not now. Also I was told that baltachi units were elite janissarys and acting like bodyguard units of the sultans.

Kanuni at Mohacz

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And as I said I suggest no turban covered helmets please also some of the turbans like this ;

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Are not used, these details just making them Arab looking units clothes of Azabs could be colored to green,red etc. tons but no ornaments.

well because that was my object. these units representing the mess, coming for anywhere.

A little pic but a good example to 16th century commoneer clothes(these two which is frying the rockets, for Azabs)

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Edit: No spear-shield Azab, only bow-shield and musket(and may be halberd)

I'm doubted, that the turk army has only ranged or well equipped troops... My azab units representing the poorly equipped parts of the ottomans, which are the majority of thier power.

[Tureuki]

Azabs are not coming everywhere but just Anatolia Rumelian counterparts are Voyniks as far as I remember, I don't know if Azaps gathered at Rumelia.

Azabs surely poor soldiers but they take salary and their equipment most likely given by Ottomans(still poorly rquipped, no armour) and poor commoneer clothes as I said like this(little photo which I posted before)

The two cavalry with red janissary hats, I pointed them with red arrow

[dome]

voyniks are vlachs
so whereever they were gatherd I'm sure they used spears or halbreds as the most simple and cheap weapons.

Those red janissary hat guys dont have any armour, also janissarys were foot soldiers, and not cavalry as I know. Or at least here in hungary ,ottomans used them as foot soldiers.

[Tureuki]

Ottomans same in everywhere, these cavalry actually not a Janissary unit but part of the Kapıkulu corps which is include Janissaries, probably have armour inside of their robes but who knows

Voyniks are include Bulgarians as far as I know but a auxiliary(take cares of army animals etc. and light infantry) unit more than a signifiant combat force.

For halberds, yes but spears isn't used

Here is the commoneer construct workers, not an Ottoman art but clothes are close.

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You made the best quality Ottomans thats why I'm making suggest to see them more accuracy besides their quality, please don't ignore the suggestions(turbans, turban covered helmets etc.)

[dome]

Ottomans same in everywhere, these cavalry actually not a Janissary unit but part of the Kapıkulu corps which is include Janissaries, probably have armour inside of their robes but who knows

well they wearing janissary hats, and as far as I know it was used only janissarys

Voyniks are include Bulgarians as far as I know but a auxiliary(take cares of army animals etc. and light infantry) unit more than a signifiant combat force.

voyniks was gatherd from vlachs, but hey lived from albania to moldova, so thats why its possible recruit the form bulgaria too

For halberds, yes but spears isn't used

well I guess for an auxiliary unit it could be used

Here is the commoneer construct workers, not an Ottoman art but clothes are close.

and what shoud I do with it?

You made the best quality Ottomans thats why I'm making suggest to see them more accuracy besides their quality, please don't ignore the suggestions(turbans, turban covered helmets etc.)

can't find any source of Silahdars, and I never heard about them(wihch means obviously nothing)

[Tureuki]

Here is the Silahtar from Osprey(2), Similar hats but these hats have nothing with Janissaries, thats why they have different color.

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Spear isn't used, no findings, no miniature example.

Voyniks gathered from Bulgarians, mainly Bulgarians but I guess include some other Slvas since Voynik organization first founded in Bosnia.

I'm adding the cloth examples because clothes of your Azabs are not Ottoman

Here is an Azap with a Turkish Tirpan scythe

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[dome]

well ,we have sources about voyniks, and they are definetly vlachs. They served inour border guards as horse archers, and as spearmens. They fought on both sides for example at the battle of Kenyérmező.

I don't know waht dou you think, not ottoman, I get the clothes from miniatures, and they are not dofferent even from your pics.

Also one photo from osprez is hardly a relayable source...

[Csatádi]

Use normal colors like blue, red, green and not only grey and brown I think Tureuki wanted to say this.

We clearly lack Solaks and Silahdars. I was aware of them but our historian suggested baltachi bodyguards.

[Tureuki]

Vlachs could be used as Voyniks too but Voyniks are mainly Bulgarians and other slavs, as I said that organization founded in Bosnia.

Osprey's photo based on Ottoman miniatures and descriptions

[AnthoniusII]

According to the description of the Negro Ponte siege (Chalkis) Voyniks where heavily armored Vlach mercenaries in Mehmet II army.
For there participation in that army they recieved the right to settle in Thessaly!


Some Spachis


Early Ottoman Spachi

Late Ottoman heavy infantry man of 15th-16th centuries

The image was based on armors found in Cyprus (Ammohostos siege) and in Crete (Chandax siege).