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    Default The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    This has not been asked fo a while, but I started playing the series at Rome, and would very much like to play Medieval. However, I have an Nvidia 8000 series gfx card, which as pretty much everyone knows causes SERIOUS issues with the first two TW games.

    I last heard about this over a year and a half ago.

    A.) Was a solution/ fix ever found, in the end?
    B.) I am very comfortable with emulators, if anyone knows of a half-decent one that could possibly help me run the game?

    Many thanks. I know that the answer will be "no", but as I'm sure you fans can imagine, it's worth a try.

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    Have you tried setting the video resolution to match the properties of your computer's monitor?
    So I’ve been working like a slave recently - huge workload - mostly over. I’d been given Medieval Total War as a Christmas present and finally started playing it yesterday - but it kept crashing. Every five minutes, if not, sooner.
    I did a pretty extensive Google Search and noticed lots of people talking about drivers, changing folder properties, screen resolutions, batch files, etc.
    I’m on a new PC with an ATI Radeon card, and finally worked out how to solve it:
    Solution: You must ensure the screen resolution for the game matches the screen resolution on your PC.
    Worked so far - upped the screen resolution to 1240 but still crashed - though not as frequently - so adjusted it to match my 1280 resolution on my PC.
    Now - no crashes.
    So, if you’re playing Medieval Total War and you find the game crashing, just load up the game, then go to:
    Options > Video
    and ensure you select the strategy map resolution to match your PC default resolution mode.
    I’ve not had any problems with battle resolution, but synced that as well just in case.
    Obviously, this may not solve everybody’s problem - but as I’ve not seen any definitive answer on how to solve this, thought I’d better post my solution here for general reference.


    http://www.techwatch.co.uk/2008/03/1...from-crashing/


    If that doesn't work, then The Org has a guide on various solutions for the issue.
    Since it seems that Medieval Total War 's CTDs seem endless, we need a sticky over here to gather general methods to overcome this problem. Credits go to all those that dealt with this hassle and figured out something to help.

    Above all usual routine of checking your all kinds of drivers and DirectX being up-to-date, here are the options you may try to solve your situation with MTW. Please use this thread to ask for help if none of these options work for you, instead of opening a new seperate thread. Here we go:

    • MTW is an old buddy, so that sometimes updated video drivers bug him. Therefore, especially if you have a 5xxx series Nvidia graphics card, try reverting your video drivers to v61.76's, credited to be the most compatible graphics driver with MTW. However if you have a newer generation gfx card compared to 5xxx, this set may cause problems all over, may not even be a solution for MTW.

    How to revert to an older set of drivers in a clean way:

    1- Download Nvidia ForceWare v61.76 (Windows XP/2000 version. Browse to Nvidia.com for other OS versions). Do not install yet.
    2- Uninstall your current gfx drivers from Add/Remove Program through your Control Panel which can be accessed through Start button of your Windows.
    3- Get Driver Cleaner Professional and install it. The download link is a bit down the page. (Program also has a commercial version called Platinum which promises to have been better optimized, but this free version will do the trick for us)
    4- Restart your computer and when your PC is about to load windows press F8 button to bring up loading options of Windows. Choose Safe Mode, hit enter and let it load windows that way.
    5- When Safe Mode is loaded, it may give you a warning saying what this Safe Mode is all about. Just click right away to get it fully open.
    6- Now run Driver Cleaner Professional. Since this is the Safe Mode where there are no visual supports, hence screen resolution is low, you may not be able to find the shorcut on your desktop. In that case you may try browsing your Program Files folder and find Driver Cleaner there and run its .exe from that location.
    7- Now that you have Driver Cleaner Pro run, you must select Nvidia from Cleaning Selection dropdown menu.
    8- Click Start and let it do the job. When it is finished you'll see Cleaning Finished! message at the bottom of the program window.
    9- It's time to restart your PC after all thorough cleaning, so be it.
    10- When you are normally logged into Wndows, it may say New Hardware Found blah blah, just click cancel and install old version drivers which were already downloaded. It will ask for another restart, and when that is done, you're done with downgrading your driver set peacefully.

    • Another fix (recommended generally to Nvidia 6xxx/7xxx owners) is forcing Antialiasing 2x. This is done by:

    1- Right Click your desktop and Properties > Settings > Advanced.
    2- Look for the tab labelled by your graphics card model name.
    3- Click "Performance & Quality Settings" from the panel opened leftwards.
    4- Under General Driver Settings there should be a box telling the name of the settings and their values, such as "Antialiasing - Application Controlled", "Anisotropic Filtering - Application Controlled" and so on. Now you should left click where it says Antialiasing. You should see that there is a checkbox saying "Application Controlled" ticked. Remove the tick, so that now the slider is controllable. Draw the slider right for once, it should be now under 2x. Click Apply, then OK, another OK to close this window with modified settings. Voila!

    • Try playing with Strategy Map and Battle Map resolutions. For example it always used to crush when I set the Strategy Map Resolution any higher than 800*600. It is also said that keeping both Strategy Map and Battle Map resolutions equal helps.


    • As we have mentioned by the beginning, MTW does not get on well with newer GPU's. If you have such gear, you may try disabling AGP Texture Acceleration. Here is how:

    1- Click Start, Run...
    2- Type "dxdiag" without hyphens.
    3- If it asks for something related to WHQL, you can say "No" to skip that stuff and get to DirectX Diagnostics window right away.
    4- When you're there, click "Display" tab up there. And then find "AGP Texture Acceleration" somewhere in the middle. It is probably already enabled, so click Disable button next to it to get done. Click Exit to close this window now.

    So it is all this for now. If you have any other solution, feel free to contact me by PM so I can update the info gathered here.

    Thanks again to all contributors who helped solving this issue.

    http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=69367

    Good luck!

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prisca View Post
    Have you tried setting the video resolution to match the properties of your computer's monitor?




    If that doesn't work, then The Org has a guide on various solutions for the issue.



    http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=69367

    Good luck!
    No, this is an issue specific to Nvidia 8 and 9 thousand series graphics cards. It has been know for years, and nothing has been done. Basically, they make it so that one cannot click anything on the battle map. It is something to do with the more modern hardware and drivers no longer supporting the older system. Cossacks had the same problem, but their dev was gracious enough to fix it. CA have stated on numerous occasions that they do not intend to bother.

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    Unfortunately, it seems those of us with Nvidia 8000 series cards are out of luck. I've been keeping track of the issue on the official and .org forums, and I can tell you that no solution has been found (short of buying an old used computer, which at least one person actually did suggest). Which is a shame because Medieval 1 is the best game in the series, in my opinion.

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    This may/may not be a pure driver issue. Some of the later 7xxx series also exhibited this same problem under the later drivers. I have read a few accounts of this no longer being an issue with the later GTX series. This may be due to the latest drivers for the GTX and not the actual chip itself.

    I would say that it's worth trying updating to the latest possible drivers and playing about with some of the settings. If that still doesn't resolve it then you are pretty much out of luck.

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    BTW Is Radeon HD 4650 have any problems with Medieval TW?
    I have Geforce 8600GT and I cant make it works with MTW.
    Planing to switch for Radeon HD 4650 or other cards or buy some cheap PCI-E card to play MTW but in this case switching cards on fly will be painfull.
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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    Moving to it's proper location. You will find more answers in the TW Eras : Technical Help forum.

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    Unfortunately that only fixes the campaign-- battles remain unplayable.

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    I've created a group concerning the incompatibility of MTW with newer video cards:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/group.php?groupid=972

    Anyone is welcome to join!

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Faucon View Post
    I've created a group concerning the incompatibility of MTW with newer video cards:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/group.php?groupid=972

    Anyone is welcome to join!
    Have you found UK_John's old thread on the same subject?

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    No, I haven't... I'll search for it though.

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    hmm my nvidia 6150 work fine for MTW.

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    Default Re: The legendary Nvidia 8000 series problem: Any solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilNelson666 View Post
    hmm my nvidia 6150 work fine for MTW.
    You're right. It still has the o l d drivers. Driver for 8000 and newer cards is not backward compatible.

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