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    Default Where the hell did I churn up the word "Osmanguli"?

    I seem to have forgotten, but somehow I came under the belief that "Osmanguli" meant "Ottomans" or the Ottoman Empire in total. I've found a proper term being in "Osmanli" but searching for the phrase "Osmanguli" gives me nothing in English or coherent.


    What exactly is it?

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    Default Re: Where the hell did I churn up the word "Osmanguli"?

    When I type Osmanguli to google it directs me to Slavic(?) websites.
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    THe right name for Ottomans is "Osmanlı", it is coming from the first leader, Osman Bey. Osmanlı means, something like from Osman.
    Many people in Turkey actually makes fun of it thinking "what kind of logic gives a person's name to an empire"
    But then Ottomans called themselved Devlet-i Aliyye Osmaniyye(in Ottomanish, mixture of Turkish, Arabic and Persian) meaning something like the great state of Osman.


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    Default Re: Where the hell did I churn up the word "Osmanguli"?

    ... Not really sure how that makes sense, being as the Great Seljuq Empire was named after a man called Seljuq, or the Ayyubid Sultanate, named after Yusuf Ayyub---Salah ad-Din, or the Timurid Dynasty named for... Timur the Lame... the Roman Republic/Empire named for Romulus, etcetera

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    Default Re: Where the hell did I churn up the word "Osmanguli"?

    The Roman republic/empire is more likely named after the city of rome not romulus. It is in legend that romulus named the city after himself.

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    When I type Osmanguli to google it directs me to Slavic(?) websites.
    It's the Polish site and the Osman Guli is the name of an horse.
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    Default Re: Where the hell did I churn up the word "Osmanguli"?

    "what kind of logic gives a person's name to an empire"
    Examples:
    The U.S. state Washington
    Columbia (Columbus)
    and
    Bolivia (Simon Bolivar)

    Not exactly empires of course but still serve us as a reminder that not only Turks give their states strange names (Black Sheep and White Sheep beeing far stranger IMHO though)
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    Default Re: Where the hell did I churn up the word "Osmanguli"?

    Quote Originally Posted by SorelusImperion View Post
    Examples:
    The U.S. state Washington
    Columbia (Columbus)
    and
    Bolivia (Simon Bolivar)

    Not exactly empires of course but still serve us as a reminder that not only Turks give their states strange names (Black Sheep and White Sheep beeing far stranger IMHO though)
    Black sheep and white sheep are Oghuz/Turkoman tribe names. Actually, being nomadic, that names refer the sheep they kept. One tribe kept white sheeps as flocks, other black. They were confederations of tribes governed by meanest and strongest tribe/leader.
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    white-wolf; your siganature is a bit misleading. It leads people to believe you deny the Armenian Genocide entirely. Indeed, perhaps due to my divided attention or general forced-stupidity when reading political opinions, I had to read through your siganature twice to get what your message is.

    And how is naming stuff after simple things somehow more stupid than, say, having a wild pig be the standard of your army? (as in wild boars for some Roman legions or something) or having a letter be the standard on your shields (as in the L for the Lakedaimonians)? I'd say naming your state after its founder is far from illogical or stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndariusHaliusScipio View Post
    white-wolf; your siganature is a bit misleading. It leads people to believe you deny the Armenian Genocide entirely. Indeed, perhaps due to my divided attention or general forced-stupidity when reading political opinions, I had to read through your siganature twice to get what your message is.
    It is off-topic but, I do not understand. My stand is clear; I do deny to name that tragic events as genocide. I do not deny killings, massacres, sad events that two nations experienced. It was sad, very sad events and very traumatic to both people, may be more on Armenians. If you intrested, there are many informative threads on that matter; you can make a search and look at it. Or you can create your own threat. Clearly this thread is not.

    And how is naming stuff after simple things somehow more stupid than, say, having a wild pig be the standard of your army? (as in wild boars for some Roman legions or something) or having a letter be the standard on your shields (as in the L for the Lakedaimonians)? I'd say naming your state after its founder is far from illogical or stupid.
    The logic of naming as Osmanlı or Seljuq empire comes from the notion of that; the state IS the properity of the dynasty. Leader of that dynasty govern the state, OWN the state. Any member of the dynasty can try to be leader if current leader will be dead. It is the old Turkic custom.
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